Autopsy Negatives vs Hawthorn

[WCE Wizard]

The club is in the worst shape since inception, no game plan, no structure, no clear direction, no strategy

What i saw on the field today the players yes Andrew Gaff

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Andrew Gaff

Age

32

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.6

5star

K

15.9

5star

HB

10.7

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.5

5star

K

15.6

5star

HB

8.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.0

3star

CL

2.5

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.6

3star

CL

0.6

3star

should return their salaries back to the club.
No willingness to run, to willingness to work, no pressure, no work rate
In summation a debacle

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yep great insight buddy, thanks for the facebook level of analysis

I mean he tagged Will Day, a guy whose played like 6 games as a midfielder pretty much

And one of the reasons it was effective is because every single other player was insanely more free then Will Day who had a ounce of XONs shadow next to him, so Hawks just took the better option.

Next week lets put XON on Zach Merrett and see how he goes

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Outnumbered at the coal face. Out numbered on the spread. Outnumbered in the forward line and backline. At every contest at every overlap.

Work rate.

Was always going to happen at some stage. The consecutive losses, little hope etccc.

But not against the bottom team.

Pick 1 is not enough for us. Not even close. We need 3 x years of pick 1 & 3. The old draft pick system.

 

[navi_]

I mean he tagged Will Day, a guy whose played like 6 games as a midfielder pretty much

And one of the reasons it was effective is because every single other player was insanely more free then Will Day who had a ounce of XONs shadow next to him, so Hawks just took the better option.

Next week lets put XON on Zach Merrett and see how he goes

And that just says more about every other player.

Yep I hope we do, zerret is coming of a blinder so seems an obvious choice.

 

[EagleMan87]

I mean he tagged Will Day, a guy whose played like 6 games as a midfielder pretty much

And one of the reasons it was effective is because every single other player was insanely more free then Will Day who had a ounce of XONs shadow next to him, so Hawks just took the better option.

Next week lets put XON on Zach Merrett and see how he goes

Day is a gun and was cutting us to pieces before XON went to him. What more do you want?

 

[navi_]

Day is a gun and was cutting us to pieces before XON went to him. What more do you want?

No man don't you see, XON ran 15km and only touched it 12 times so he's useless!

 

[Hap Hapablap]

Pros - surely we kill the draft this season

Also the WAFL players have now been exposed and can be returned Clark O'Neill Foley west

Negs - the way we're going I don't think this will be a down period for a short term. Were entering Melbourne territory. This could be bad for a while yet. unless Nisbett and the sports and conditioning team go. Recruitment has been resolved you'd think

As for simmo. It's up to him whether he wants to stay. By his body language I think he can't do it anymore. As in he's tired. He's tried everything and he's sick of trying to be positive where it is a complete and utter mess. Nott to mention how wce club media interviewed him this afternoon about the game like running more salt into the fans wounds. I doubt he would've wanted to do it.



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[dkalphy]

Look this is the reality guys, no need to complicate the explanation.

The age group of lets say 20-25, these guys should be carrying our team forward. Xon, Williams, Foley, Rotham, Witherden, Petch, both Edwards, Waterman (stiff), Clark, West, are all WAFL players. These guys are mean't to be next inline and their just not, that's the reality.

Now we're a few years away from playing finals because it takes a few years to go from 18 years old to that 20-25 year old age bracket.

 

[salo]

Simmo said he had a sore neck. Probably from carrying a sack of spuds around the last few weeks.

Love Duggo as he always has a real crack but all the injuries must be catching up. He looks like a player 5 years older than he actually is... and I don't mean that in a good way.

 

[Bender_]

Look this is the reality guys, no need to complicate the explanation.

The age group of lets say 20-25, these guys should be carrying our team forward. Xon, Williams, Foley, Rotham, Witherden, Petch, both Edwards, Waterman (stiff), Clark, West, are all WAFL players. These guys are mean't to be next inline and their just not, that's the reality.

Now we're a few years away from playing finals because it takes a few years to go from 18 years old to that 20-25 year old age bracket.

A real coach would find a way to get these 18 and 19 year olds into their mid-20s in faster than a few years.

 

[Lach72]

Look this is the reality guys, no need to complicate the explanation.

The age group of lets say 20-25, these guys should be carrying our team forward. Xon, Williams, Foley, Rotham, Witherden, Petch, both Edwards, Waterman (stiff), Clark, West, are all WAFL players. These guys are mean't to be next inline and their just not, that's the reality.

Now we're a few years away from playing finals because it takes a few years to go from 18 years old to that 20-25 year old age bracket.

this is an interesting point….

other than Ginbey AND Oscar there’s not a lot to be excited about In that whole group.

was thinking that X O’Neill, Foley and Chesser seem to be players who are…beige and weird selections.

as much as the conditioning coach would be like a wart hog with a leopard outside the den, does the recruiting need a thorough look?

 

[bzparkes]

this is an interesting point….

other than Ginbey AND Oscar there’s not a lot to be excited about In that whole group.

was thinking that X O’Neill, Foley and Chesser seem to be players who are…beige and weird selections.

as much as the conditioning coach would be like a wart hog with a leopard outside the den, does the recruiting need a thorough look?

Well it's only Chesser's second season, so that's a bit harsh.

The rest are meh, but we haven't had a lot to work with.

Last 2 drafts look promising but too early to tell.

 

[Forward Press]

this is an interesting point….

other than Ginbey AND Oscar there’s not a lot to be excited about In that whole group.

was thinking that X O’Neill, Foley and Chesser seem to be players who are…beige and weird selections.

as much as the conditioning coach would be like a wart hog with a leopard outside the den, does the recruiting need a thorough look?

Culley goes alright. Wouldn't classify Chesser as beige just yet either.

The problem is that XON-era group of draftees that are just so meh. Part of it is due to rarely finishing in a bad league position to accumulate the high draft picks, part of it is sacrificing a couple of them for Tim Kelly, and another part is recruitment.

The last couple of drafts have been fine so far.

 

[Lach72]

Well it's only Chesser's second season, so that's a bit harsh.

The rest are meh, but we haven't had a lot to work with.

Last 2 drafts look promising but too early to tell.

Yeah probably harsh on chesser…he doesn’t seem to have an outstanding trait though.

like Long and Hewett though

 

[Wosh]

The floggings will continue until moral improves.

Morals have never been our strongest suit

 

[JackieMoon33]

Positives: I thought we would be more competitive this year and win enough games to put us mid table, hide our club wide incompetence and delay our rebuild.... How wrong I was... Thank christ.

Negatives: I didn't think we could ever be this bad... In ever possible way.... And I don't even blame the players

 

[Bestbird]

Was dreading this game all week expecting a 50 point loss. When J Jones got injured the TV went off.

Bringing in 7 underdone young players returning from injury in the last two weeks. Hough, Hewitt, long. H Edwards, Chesser, Jamo and Bazzo was a recipe for diseaster

Was feeling a bit positive for the season till the Rounds 3 Derby when we only had a few injuries.

From that game till now these are the players best 22 unavailable

Sps
Barrass
Cole
Hurn
Darling
McGovern
Ryan
Shuey
Cripps
Nicnat
Yeo
Culley
Jones who almost made it to half time

Just a lazy unlucky 13.

Who would have thought we actually in a worse position than last year. That's fricken depressing

 

[JackieMoon33]

Other positive: By the time WC becomes remotely competitive again, the Victorian media, supporters and clubs will have become so apathetic towards us, that they will be happy to see us win and do well again.

 

[Goroyals22]

David king still hasn’t stopped going after gaff on first crack…. Only two years to late David


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[KERRPOW]

Kingy doubled down on gaff in the first crack podcast.

 

[KERRPOW]

Positive...1 more week until the return of nic nat gaiz

 

[Truckosaurus]

does the recruiting need a thorough look?

Probably but it's not getting one (while there's no change to the CEO anyway). Nesbitt said last year that O'Brien had the job as long as he wanted it.

 

[Bender_]

Gaffy going after Kingy on First Cracky.

 

[Lach72]

Probably but it's not getting one (while there's no change to the CEO anyway). Nesbitt said last year that O'Brien had the job as long as he wanted it.

Was looking though the playing list on the D an T board…

doesn’t make for pretty reading until you get to half way…

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other than McGovern and Cripps for some stability, and Williams cos he’s young and injured…
I’d say SPS is ok…Jones is Ok. Culley but a hard road back for him

then nothing you really would want to keep until Coby Burgiel

 

[Mop]

Probably but it's not getting one (while there's no change to the CEO anyway). Nesbitt said last year that O'Brien had the job as long as he wanted it.

PieMan was rumoured to have almost quit after last draft, so not sure what happened there