One day, hopefully.
Not yet though, apart from the fact that he’s just a kid, he’s hot headed and impulsive on the field, that probably won’t ever change but he needs to find the balance.
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One day, hopefully.
Not yet though, apart from the fact that he’s just a kid, he’s hot headed and impulsive on the field, that probably won’t ever change but he needs to find the balance.
Soon. The quickest I can see him get captaincy is third year.
Table up a long contract extension at the end of his second year + captaincy offer
Sheezle got in the leadership team in second year. Harley should get a look as well for the expirence.
Poetic since woosha got appointed captain at 22 and Ben Cousins at 21/Sole 22
There's a chance he may be one of the players that matures up when given captaincy or leadership. Sort of like Toby Greene. It's worth a shot. But still a tiny bit away
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Harley Reid might not even want to be involved in all that side of things.
Duggan's worst game for the year perhaps? Definitely seemed to not be getting the ball anyway but I was hardly paying enough attention to see what his role was.
Not really fair to discuss the change based on a single game. He'll probably be top 10 in the B&F again. He has had a mostly good season and he stays on the park. Not sure where the fumbles came from in the last 3 rounds as he never used to do that, he has really good hands normally, that better not be a continuing theme.
Player ratings for the year he is 10th, last year he was 11th. This is kind of just where he sits as a player. He's below the top rung but he usually has an overall positive game. How many proper stinkers does he have? 3 for the year maybe?
He is probably not the long-term solution unless he has some crazy Hurn like late-20s boost in form.
Leave the co-captains for another year and re-assess after another year under a new coach with some more youth development. Potentially 2026 is Allen by himself (if he can have a good run with his body) or we know more by then and somebody else steps up to replace them both.
Duggan's worst game for the year perhaps? Definitely seemed to not be getting the ball anyway but I was hardly paying enough attention to see what his role was.
Not really fair to discuss the change based on a single game. He'll probably be top 10 in the B&F again. He has had a mostly good season and he stays on the park. Not sure where the fumbles came from in the last 3 rounds as he never used to do that, he has really good hands normally, that better not be a continuing theme.
Player ratings for the year he is 10th, last year he was 11th. This is kind of just where he sits as a player. He's below the top rung but he usually has an overall positive game. How many proper stinkers does he have? 3 for the year maybe?
He is probably not the long-term solution unless he has some crazy Hurn like late-20s boost in form.
Leave the co-captains for another year and re-assess after another year under a new coach with some more youth development. Potentially 2026 is Allen by himself (if he can have a good run with his body) or we know more by then and somebody else steps up to replace them both.
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There's been very little in terms of onfield leadership this season. Allen has had injury issues, Duggan is too quiet.
Selecting co-captains was a weak decision from the start, I'm really not a fan.
It's got to be one guy next year - Jake Waterman. The hardest worker at the club and somebody who actually has the ability to put the side onto his shoulders and inspire them with his style of play. It would be a great story too, he's matured so much.
Link him as captain with a new coach and it's a step in the right direction.
Selecting co-captains was a weak decision from the start, I'm really not a fan.
It's got to be one guy next year - Jake Waterman. The hardest worker at the club and somebody who actually has the ability to put the side onto his shoulders and inspire them with his style of play. It would be a great story too, he's matured so much.
Link him as captain with a new coach and it's a step in the right direction.
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Puts in every week. 16 possies, 9 marks and 2 goals in that rabble of a side yesterday. Meanwhile our actual captains had 12 touches between them for the day
Duggan and Allen were almost solely responsible in the past month for getting us over the line, both kicked game winning goals and had huge last quarters one week after the next.
Using this game as evidence is dumb, this is an outlier more than it is the rule.
I wouldn't care if they changed it but I'd prefer to see one more year of these two to see how it unfolds, let them transition under the new coach and then change it.
Waterman would be great as well, but I'd be surprised to see a one and done season of captains.
Using this game as evidence is dumb, this is an outlier more than it is the rule.
I wouldn't care if they changed it but I'd prefer to see one more year of these two to see how it unfolds, let them transition under the new coach and then change it.
Waterman would be great as well, but I'd be surprised to see a one and done season of captains.
Problem is, Allen's too flaky currently and Duggan's disposal is shit.
Last thing you want is your captain getting 4 touches/burning the ball constantly.
At least if Waterman was captain(for instance), everyone would look to his repeat efforts, clutch marks and clutch goals in big moments.
yeah, Allen and Duggan did that in consecutive weeks each but outside of that, haevn't really done much.
Not saying change captains after one year but gee, you'd want a lot more from them next season.
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Most captains take time to settle into the role. Very few have an impact as captain on their first year and Allen had the complication of being in rehab for half the season
I’m not a fan of joint captains and long term I think it should be Allen as sole captain but for now I’m happy enough for him to be joint skipper with Duggan. Particularly until he shows he can play a full season
Patience people
I’m not a fan of joint captains and long term I think it should be Allen as sole captain but for now I’m happy enough for him to be joint skipper with Duggan. Particularly until he shows he can play a full season
Patience people
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The problem is Oscar just doesn't seem to have the personality for it, not a knock on him but I think its just not a good fit and he's probably struggled with his form due to having the extra responsibility. He's a strapping lad, plays one of the look at me positions, highest paid player at the club probably, got the blonde, blue eyed thing going on, settling down with the long term missus at 25... all of it fits but I'm not even sure his voice has broken yet, just seems to lack confidence and intensity or anything that says leadership at all. I thought he was going to cry in that Jackovich interview after the saints game and he might as well have for all given the answers he gave.
Duggan isn't as good a player but to me he speaks with more authority and the role just seems to rest easy on his shoulders. I've warmed to him massively this season the more I've seen him perform the role. And to be fair to him he very often lifts when the game is on the line. My sense is everyone knew Oscar would struggle and that Duggan had all the attributes but not the star quality. So what, they just literally said why don't you share the job because together you basically have the right combination of traits to make 1 captain?
It can't happen now because it'll be a humiliation for Oscar but we'd be much better off with Duggan as solo captain. Since that's not an option and even though its not ideal either, with new coach the players should revote and Oscar not put his name forward and just focus next season on getting his career back on track. It's probably between Duggan, Waterman and Gov in that case and any of those 3 would be fine until one of the kids is ready.
Duggan isn't as good a player but to me he speaks with more authority and the role just seems to rest easy on his shoulders. I've warmed to him massively this season the more I've seen him perform the role. And to be fair to him he very often lifts when the game is on the line. My sense is everyone knew Oscar would struggle and that Duggan had all the attributes but not the star quality. So what, they just literally said why don't you share the job because together you basically have the right combination of traits to make 1 captain?
It can't happen now because it'll be a humiliation for Oscar but we'd be much better off with Duggan as solo captain. Since that's not an option and even though its not ideal either, with new coach the players should revote and Oscar not put his name forward and just focus next season on getting his career back on track. It's probably between Duggan, Waterman and Gov in that case and any of those 3 would be fine until one of the kids is ready.
Duggan's kicking needs work, specifically he needs to eradicate his worst kicks. He leads the team for turnovers this year equal with Tim Kelly and three ahead of Yeo (below both on average per game though).
But overall his DE% is the same as Reid's and his kicking efficiency % is above Maric, Ryan, Reid, Yeo, Kelly and a fair few more.
Definitely needs to improve though, mostly his composure. He hits kicks a lot better than most of the list but his turnover rate is too high when he has more time than he realises and it kills momentum.
Still don't think they should change captains after only 1 season.
My only problem with Oscar (and also with Jake) is that they're forwards, which I'd say is a less common position for the captain to be in across the AFL. I don't see Duggan doing more than 2 or 3 years as a fill in.
But overall his DE% is the same as Reid's and his kicking efficiency % is above Maric, Ryan, Reid, Yeo, Kelly and a fair few more.
Definitely needs to improve though, mostly his composure. He hits kicks a lot better than most of the list but his turnover rate is too high when he has more time than he realises and it kills momentum.
Still don't think they should change captains after only 1 season.
My only problem with Oscar (and also with Jake) is that they're forwards, which I'd say is a less common position for the captain to be in across the AFL. I don't see Duggan doing more than 2 or 3 years as a fill in.
Duggan is extremely average. Allen needs more game time. I'd just give the captaincy to Gov for a couple more seasons like he should have been awarded at the start of this season.
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Allen is so injury prone. He almost took himself out in another marking contest on the weekend off a kick from Hutch. I can see the reasoning at the time for Allen though.
Duggan is just a bog average footballer. AFL level but captain? Yeeesh. Leadership group/Vice captain is fine.
Hopefully the new coach pushes a reset button in that department.
Gov is probably too old now unfortunately.
Captain Snake has a nice ring but at the very least we should be going Allen solo. Stop piss farting around with a shared role.
Duggan is just a bog average footballer. AFL level but captain? Yeeesh. Leadership group/Vice captain is fine.
Hopefully the new coach pushes a reset button in that department.
Gov is probably too old now unfortunately.
Captain Snake has a nice ring but at the very least we should be going Allen solo. Stop piss farting around with a shared role.
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It’s been 365 days since Duggan and Allen were announced as co-captains on November 29
Be interesting to see if a decision on next year is made as quickly this preseason or McQualter waits for a while so he can assess their capacity as captains for himself
Are we best served continuing with them as co-captains or going back to a sole captain, whether that be one of them flying solo or a completely new appointment
Put a line through anyone older than Duggan, which only rules out 7. And there’s nobody younger than Allen who is worthy and/or ready
And of the players in between them, Waterman is the only name that jumps out - I’m ignoring the new recruits despite their leadership potential as I don’t agree with someone being in the leadership group in their first year
Personally, I think Duggan and Oscar should be given another year to settle into the role - even the best captains find their first year challenging
Waterman, who hasn’t held a formal leadership position previously, then becomes the obvious choice to replace Barrass as vice captain
Good chance that doesn’t happen until next year though- there’s no rush and it gives McQualter time to ensure he’s comfortable with them and a co-captaincy
Be interesting to see if a decision on next year is made as quickly this preseason or McQualter waits for a while so he can assess their capacity as captains for himself
Are we best served continuing with them as co-captains or going back to a sole captain, whether that be one of them flying solo or a completely new appointment
Put a line through anyone older than Duggan, which only rules out 7. And there’s nobody younger than Allen who is worthy and/or ready
And of the players in between them, Waterman is the only name that jumps out - I’m ignoring the new recruits despite their leadership potential as I don’t agree with someone being in the leadership group in their first year
Personally, I think Duggan and Oscar should be given another year to settle into the role - even the best captains find their first year challenging
Waterman, who hasn’t held a formal leadership position previously, then becomes the obvious choice to replace Barrass as vice captain
Good chance that doesn’t happen until next year though- there’s no rush and it gives McQualter time to ensure he’s comfortable with them and a co-captaincy
We really need to understand Allen's commitment to the side before he goes around in the Captaincy role again. I don't mind him being joint VC with Duggan standalone Captain.
Baker comes from VC stock but might be a bit early for serious consideration unless the coach puts his foot down.
Baker comes from VC stock but might be a bit early for serious consideration unless the coach puts his foot down.
The flip side of that then is we shouldn't cave to any unreasonable demands around the contract length. Needs to be a reasonable middle point and I hope they'd both understand where they think that is before too long.
I have a vague memory from one of McQualter’s pressers saying we’d make the call on captaincy towards the end of preseason but I could be remembering that wrong.
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Correct. 8 min 50s. Talking about Oscar just before that. Need one of those body language experts to do a break down. Non committal, touches face, looks up and to the left.. what does it all mean?? Personally I don't think he sounded too keen.
This is the face he makes when asked if we'll be keeping the current arrangement.
That's also the face he does when shown Dark Sharks quotes about Stringer
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Duggan sole captain is my prediction
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Yea Oscar captaincy has not been great especially last year he was terrible.
If he stays captain hopefully he cuts out the whingeing when things don't goes his way
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I’m not a fan of co-captains, Ginbey will do just fine in 2 years time
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