Rumour Noah Balta assault charges

[FreddyTwoShoes]

I guess it all depends on whether a person only cares about guilt from only the judicial perspective tbh. If so, then I get why you’d see pleading guilty as the end of the story.

That sounds a lot like the distinction between an actual victory and a moral victory.

 

[Lsta062]

That sounds a lot like the distinction between an actual victory and a moral victory.

Well, the reason why people started bickering in this thread is because they refused to understand there are two correct ways to look at it. Depends on what an individual personally sees guilt as.

The “justice” system doesn’t alway produce justice. So, I 100% understand why someone wouldn’t just take a guilty plea for what it is.

 

[Corkintheocean]

Christ there are an inordinate amount of perseverating posters with limited reading comprehension on this page. I haven't definitively there was a greater charge.

Try writing something coherent and we may have better luck deducing your inane opinions.

 

[hairy biker]

I think people need to get their facts right.

Noah was apparently saving some children from a motorboat that a drunken hoon was driving around a club.
Noah put his arm out to say 'stop sir, that is inappropriate behaviour' and accidentally caught the miscreant on the shoulder.
It turns out the chap was the nephew of the local chief of police and so Noah was unjustly charged.
In an effort to protect the children from the trauma of testifying in court, being beaten with rubber hoses and sent to Guantanamo Bay, Noah has bravely, nay heroically, pleaded guilty.

SOURCE; Japanese Branch of the Richmond Supporters Club.

 

[Outtatym]

Guilty of having the AFL's rarest skill set, amirite?!?!?!?!?!

Pleading guilty but in fact being not guilty is indeed a rare skillset

 

[The 747]

He's guilty but he might not be guilty even though he is guilty because maybe he is not in fact guilty.

All y'all are not smart enough to understand this

Also, Japan.

 

[Corkintheocean]

4 weeks club suspension for the defender who proves you don't need to plead not guilty to be innocent, but he is innocent.

 

[weltschmerz]

He's guilty but he might not be guilty even though he is guilty because maybe he is not in fact guilty.

All y'all are not smart enough to understand this

Also, Japan.

Even possibly did something worse but pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, which somehow is a good thing.

 

[The 747]

Even possibly did something worse but pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, which somehow is a good thing.

He pled guilty out of concern for the victim (who Balta did not victimise).

Also, Japan.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

What the poster is saying is that when someone pleads guilty, it does not necessarily mean they’re actually guilty of the charge they’re pleading guilty to. There are various reasons why they could be doing this, but it does happen sometimes. Generally speaking, it is either to move on from the situation or to avoid a worse outcome.

I don’t think this is the case in the Balta situation (sounds like he’s actually guilty of what he’s pleading guilty to IMO), but this does happen.

Someone with an above room temperature IQ has entered the chat.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

See above. I understand plea bargaining but it's entirely immaterial to the issue. In the eyes of the law he is guilty of the charge he has admitted

Yes, unsurprisingly when in our society guilt in a criminal trial is solely determined by a court, I accept the verdict of the court.

oh good, so Sayers did nothing wrong according to the AFL. Case closed!

 

[Beerfish]

Christ, I feel like a Mensa candidate on this thread.

 

[The Feeder Club]

oh good, so Sayers did nothing wrong according to the AFL. Case closed!

Yes apart from the facts that

One is in the jurisdiction of the police and courts, the other the jurisdiction of a glorified corporate HR unit

One carries a state induced punishment up to and including significant gaol time, the other a slap on the wrist

One has the alleged physical assailant pleading guilty, the other the alleged photographic assailant pleading denial

apart from those small facts, the cases of the Crown/NSW DPP vs Balta, and the AFL Integrity Unit vs Sayers are essentially identical

 

[Cyclops]

So Balta is not guilty of hitting a bloke on the Murray so hard he landed in Japan, and agreed in court he was guilty of a crime he didn't commit, because in the Bigfooty justice system, facts are represented by two separate but equally important groups: the trolls who invent things, and the flogs who mansplain them.

 

[RonnieRaven]

This is next level.
It’s always been on the forum from a defendants fans “innocent until proven guilty” now it’s he pleaded guilty in hope to save the whales from the Japanese whalers.
Tigers let what’s his face play in the west after being detained for multiple charges relating to robbery and battery before tiges freo game so for tiges to suspend him for 4 weeks and balta pleading guilty to assault.
(My guess is to keep details of the public record)
Means he’s not the messiah
He’s a very naught boy

 

[gambinotosserflog]

Yes apart from the facts that

One is in the jurisdiction of the police and courts, the other the jurisdiction of a glorified corporate HR unit

One carries a state induced punishment up to and including significant gaol time, the other a slap on the wrist

One has the alleged physical assailant pleading guilty, the other the alleged photographic assailant pleading denial

apart from those small facts, the cases of the Crown/NSW DPP vs Balta, and the AFL Integrity Unit vs Sayers are essentially identical

and there is the definition of being wilfully obtuse. you clearly can see the analogy i'm drawing, but pretend not to. any 'official' body can make decisions that aren't 'real' or not based on actual events. only a muppet would deny that.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

So Balta is not guilty of hitting a bloke on the Murray so hard he landed in Japan, and agreed in court he was guilty of a crime he didn't commit, because in the Bigfooty justice system, facts are represented by two separate but equally important groups: the trolls who invent things, and the flogs who mansplain them.

Ha ha. I could hear the Law & Order theme in my head as I read this. Nice one.

 

[Cam Payne]

Given the restrictions convicted criminals face entering many countries, is Balta still allowed to travel to Japan?

 

[Beerfish]

Given the restrictions convicted criminals face entering many countries, is Balta still allowed to travel to Japan?

Well given we're reliably informed by Mensa's local rep that he's only pleaded guilty, and that he's not actually guilty there shouldn't be any problems at all.

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

Wow go the Balta burner account mansplaining 'guilty' to the masses....

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

What the poster is saying is that when someone pleads guilty, it does not necessarily mean they’re actually guilty of the charge they’re pleading guilty to. There are various reasons why they could be doing this, but it does happen sometimes. Generally speaking, it is either to move on from the situation or to avoid a worse outcome.

Yes, because it is in his best interests to. He's been advised (by people who know what they're doing, presumably) that this will give him the best outcome.

And of course, he'd want the best possible outcome in terms of sentencing. The trade off for getting that is that from then onwards, people are welcome to say that he was guilty of the crime that he's been found guilty of. Because he said he was.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Even possibly did something worse but pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, which somehow is a good thing.

Yes, I liked that too. He's clearly not guilty: he just pled guilty because if he didn't he'd be found guilty of something worse. FREE NOAH.

 

[gambinotosserflog]

Yes, because it is in his best interests to. He's been advised (by people who know what they're doing, presumably) that this will give him the best outcome.

And of course, he'd want the best possible outcome in terms of sentencing. The trade off for getting that is that from then onwards, people are welcome to say that he was guilty of the crime that he's been found guilty of. Because he said he was.

Good to see another person on this thread with above room temperature IQ who doesn't breathe only with their mouth. This is it in a nutshell. The last thing the club wants when trying to set a positive culture with all the young recruits is for it to drag on. Instill some discipline on Balta, move forward and don't let it become a distraction.

 

[Borussia Teeth]

Yes, I liked that too. He's clearly not guilty: he just pled guilty because if he didn't he'd be found guilty of something worse. FREE NOAH.

Free NaOH

 

[gambinotosserflog]

Try writing something coherent and we may have better luck deducing your inane opinions.

so you pick one missing word in a paragraph as the basis of your comeback. quality. look forward to absolutely picking apart every single comment you make.