I'm amazed at how easily offended people can get.
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I’m not sure about that but I do find what you said offensive.
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I'm more amazed at how easily offended people get on behalf of others.
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You can think something shouldn't happen without being offended when it does
Yeah, pretty much this.
We put sportspeople up on a pedestal in this country. They are role models, with all the pros & cons that go along with that, which they are more than aware.
We also have a serious problem in this country with violence against women.
I'm not offended. Maybe I would be though if a close friend or member of my family had been sexually assaulted or murdered by their spouse / partner, so I'm not going to judge those that are outraged.
Maybe they should have snorted some coke instead of dressing up as Raygun and Diddy
Perfectly understandable that people get offended. Getting outraged and making it about a broader issue and painting those who have offended or at least more understandable of the situation as akin to perpetrators of the cause is another issue.
Violence full stop is an issue. Violence against women is a large part of the broader issue. I grew up in a neighbourhood where I'd often see mums with black eyes on the way to school. I wondered why or how without connecting the dots. Fwiiw I don't personally think it's a cultural thing. Some people just have the gene and the wrong family environment. In my experience.
May have. If they did, were just smart enough not to do that in front of the bar tender & CCTV.
Yeah I agree it's an individual thing moreso than a cultural thing, but It's important that sportspeople in this country are part of the solution given they are role models.
My first thoughts when seeing or hearing about incidents like this is that the players get all the information and training about social issues which they need to be role models on, and say and do all the right things when there's a camera on them, but then something like this happens & you think is it all just lip service? Is any of it sinking in? The official line is yeah, we take this seriously, but when the cameras off & it's just the boys then.... I guess they're young & this will be an important lesson that a lot will learn from.
On the flip side, you can probably call me a hypocrite on this too. When it comes to comedy I think no topic is taboo, I remember Mel Brooks saying that years ago & it stuck with me. From Richard Prior, George Carlin, Jim Jeffries, Jimmy Carr, Shane Gillis, I love it all. The more wrong, the funnier it is. I guess it's the difference between what you think & believe vs what you think is funny to say.
Lucky I'm not a footy player I guess.
I don't know why you are so keen to underplay this issue. It has clearly affected people within GWS.
See below:
- https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...e/news-story/ed962fe809c3cc0ea268642d0cc814ff
- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-19/aflw-afl-gws-giants-post-season-function/104493590
You have come into this thread with about a dozen posts about how incomprehensible it is to you that people were affected by the actions of the GWS men. Maybe you should spend some time reading around the issue first?
Is it that hard to imagine that if a bunch of your work colleagues held a private function where they pretended/joked about raping people like you, you might find it unsavory to work with such colleagues in the future?
Im an Australian of indian heritage. I work in health and if I heard a bunch of my colleagues were making racist jokes at an after-work drinks then I would be wary of working with such people. I know of a doctor who got a warning/mark on AHPRA because they made derogatory remarks about Aboriginals at a Christmas party (supposedly as a joke). That was absolutely the right decision. If people like him can make such bad jokes around others, I wonder how they actually treat Aboriginal patients?
Im not a woman so I don't know exactly how impactful it was but you can clearly see it has hurt the GWS AFLW team. I imagine if you are an AFLW player or female coach and you see these antics, you see that Toby Greene and the AFL mens team leadership group participated/attended; you see that there was an internal investigation at GWS that cleared it; and then it was only after the AFL Integrity Unit got involved that actual punishments happened; you would probably worry about the people you were working with at the club.
We wonder why there are so few women in AFL coaching/management and then shit like this happens. I guarantee that stuff like this would never happen in my workplace because 50% of the doctors are female and would call it out immediately instead of waiting for the top level executives to come in. What happened here at GWS is absilutely a cultural issue.
Also age is such a big copout. I got my medical license at age 23 with another 200 odd other students of similar age (some even lower -like 21). We trust such young people to behave professionally around vulnerable people and yet we pay these players orders of magnitude greater to kick a ball around and they cant behave themselves for a few hours at an event? Toby Greene is 31. He didn't realise that he would be the most senior leader at a players only event and that he should step in when players were simulating domestic violence? Is Toby Greene a weak and pathetic leader unable to speak up or does he see nothing wrong with enacting domestic violence fantasies? Im sure the GWS AFLW team feel completely comfortable working with such a guy.
GWS are a rabble. If the Lions ever did something similar and the coaches/board were too ineffectual to actually handle it appropriately and instead the AFL had to step in to sort it out; I would definitely stop supporting this club.
Whilst I understand and to some extent agree with the points you are making I think you've misrepresented what my thoughts were and extrapolated them.
I'm not keen to do anything. I'm just putting up my true thoughts on the reaction to whatever it is that occurred. Misguided or otherwise.
Btw it was 7 posts. But I'm thinking 6 too many.
I apologise. The post is not meant to be about you. I'm just frustrated with the overall narrative in social media. AFL players are some of the biggest babies I have ever seen and the media is all about enabling this babying.
No need to apologise. What you said is fine.
I don't understand how what has allegedly happened was allowed to happen at GWS but I don't believe it's indicative of AFL players in general in this era.
Sometimes it only takes 2 or 3 mentally challenged types to come up with something stupid and the rest go along for the ride without being directly involved or thinking too much about it because they're just knocking back beers at the end of year function.
I'd say the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of where either side of the political debate over this has landed .They've been punished and shamed. If it is an endemic cultural issue there you'd hope this has fixed it.
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1. The pub was booked out for a private function
2. The coward behind the bar should be in another industry if they can’t handle the carry on
2. The coward behind the bar should be in another industry if they can’t handle the carry on
Have you ever been to a comedy show before? No, you aren’t the target audience.
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I try to get to several every year. Most half decent comedians have long moved on from racist and sexist jokes unless it's about their own.
And I don't recall any comedian in the last decade at least making rape jokes and reenactments.
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Yeah if you can’t handle rape jokes and 9/11 re-enactments you shouldn’t be in the workplace
Wait wot
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The fact it was private says to me that they knew what they were doing was wrong but still proceeded.
Player functions/end of season get togethers are private because they don't want scrutiny in an industry where they face a lot of scrutiny. As do most clubs of any description in sports or business. It would've been private if they were just sitting there playing scrabble. Which might've been a better idea.
I've never heard a rape joke ,or say a joke about rape in my life. Though some of the comedians I've admired cut their schtick off routines that would now be portrayed as racist. Particularly those of Jewish origins. And in the US nearly all the great ones were.
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Worlds gone woke. Can’t even run a small, modest minstrel show without everyone having a sook anymore
Jake Stringer will help sort GWS out
It has.
I lock myself in my room now for fear I might say something in company.
It's not my fault. It was my parents and their generation. They infiltrated my brain since before I could talk and unlike this very brave generation I was unable to see the world in its true light and think for myself.
But thankfully due to the very clear and independent thinkers of today that have been able to point out where I'm going wrong and call me out for my disgraceful ideas I'm in a period of quiet rehabilitation and will hopefully come out thinking the way they all do so I can go out again.
I'm slowly getting there. It's been such a supportive environment for backward thinking people like myself.
My one fear is that this business will galvanise GWS and they'll come out smoking in 2025.
Stringer might be a bridge too far but they must have confidence in the culture if they took him on.
Don't they ??
I’m sure when players snort a line of coke in private they knew what they were doing was working and still proceeded so why don’t the AFL fine and suspend them when that behaviour is actually illegal?
