Non-Lions Footy Season (2017)

[jackess]

Carlton are still missing a few aren't they? Pretty reliant on Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps and a few others

 

[Harris Specter]

Always good to see Collingwood lose

 

[carnthemlions]

Carlton are still missing a few aren't they? Pretty reliant on Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps and a few others

I think what this really highlights is how many mostly recycled hacks they have on their list. They've got some solid experienced players and young players with great potential... and not much in the middle. Their best key forward is still Levi Casboult, and Liam Jones will probably get games again. How does that happen? We should offer them Walker for a 2nd rounder at the end of the season, would probably be their best forward.

 

[luthor]

I think what this really highlights is how many mostly recycled hacks they have on their list. They've got some solid experienced players and young players with great potential... and not much in the middle. Their best key forward is still Levi Casboult, and Liam Jones will probably get games again. How does that happen? We should offer them Walker for a 2nd rounder at the end of the season, would probably be their best forward.

NO!!

Would come out and kick 5 against us,

Like when he played with the Cats.

 

[jackess]

Cockatoo cleared for knocking someone out but Frost got a week?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-06/cockatoo-clear-to-play

 

[Eons]

Cockatoo cleared for knocking someone out but Frost got a week?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-06/cockatoo-clear-to-play

Only one action they said but it's ridiculous considering the outcome.

 

[jackess]

Only one action they said but it's ridiculous considering the outcome.

The force in a tackle shouldn't be down into the ground. It shouldn't matter if you swing them around or not. Matera landed flat so his head didn't slam into the ground whereas Gores head was slung into the ground. Pretty clear to anyone which tackle was more dangerous.

 

[Dalions]

Cockatoo cleared for knocking someone out but Frost got a week?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-06/cockatoo-clear-to-play

Bloody good tackle if you ask me.
Just unlucky for the bloke being tackled.
Cant be giving suspensions for that.

 

[jackess]

Bloody good tackle if you ask me.
Just unlucky for the bloke being tackled.
Cant be giving suspensions for that.

I disagree that it was unlucky. If you spear tackle someone in mid air then their head is always going to slam into the ground like that.

If they're consistent in not suspending players for this they may look for this opportunity to seriously hurt opposition players.

 

[Dalions]

I disagree that it was unlucky. If you spear tackle someone in mid air then their head is always going to slam into the ground like that.

If they're consistent in not suspending players for this they may look for this opportunity to seriously hurt opposition players.

The only thing that i see that he did wrong there was that he hit him before he took possession of the ball.
Warranted free kick.
AFL is an aerial game, blokes are getting hit whilst in the air all the time. Cant take that 1 out of the game.

 

[jackess]

The only thing that i see that he did wrong there was that he hit him before he took possession of the ball.
Warranted free kick.
AFL is an aerial game, blokes are getting hit whilst in the air all the time. Cant take that 1 out of the game.

I think spear tackles like that will often result in heavy head knocks similar to sling tackles. If they were genuinely trying to reduce head knocks they'd suspend him.

The only difference between Frost getting a week and a reprimand was the fact Matera was tested for concussion. So the fact that the player was concussed after a dangerous tackle and the tackled had nothing to answer to really confuses me.

 

[KissKiss]

I think spear tackles like that will often result in heavy head knocks similar to sling tackles. If they were genuinely trying to reduce head knocks they'd suspend him.

The only difference between Frost getting a week and a reprimand was the fact Matera was tested for concussion. So the fact that the player was concussed after a dangerous tackle and the tackled had nothing to answer to really confuses me.

The AFL for some reason seem to consider the outcome as more important than the intent of the act. This seems backwards to me

 

[Dalions]

I personally cant see how it would be considered a spear tackle, he didnt lift, he just drove with the body.
The fact that he hit him before he took possession may have added to the tackle a bit as he wasnt expecting to be hit so soon and wasn't ready for the impact.

 

[Dalions]

The AFL for some reason seem to consider the outcome as more important than the intent of the act. This seems backwards to me

I wouldn't quite say that. The AFL have been trying to get rid of the sling tackle for a couple of years now.
A driving tackle like that is not something they have previously been trying to outlaw.

 

[jackess]

I personally cant see how it would be considered a spear tackle, he didnt lift, he just drove with the body.
The fact that he hit him before he took possession may have added to the tackle a bit as he wasnt expecting to be hit so soon and wasn't ready for the impact.

He didn't need to lift but driving your shoulder into their midsection creates a whipping action which led to his head slamming into the ground while Frost was body to body with Matera which meant there wasn't much of a whipping action.

 

[brizrider]

I personally cant see how it would be considered a spear tackle, he didnt lift, he just drove with the body.
The fact that he hit him before he took possession may have added to the tackle a bit as he wasnt expecting to be hit so soon and wasn't ready for the impact.

If he did it would only have been by a tiny fraction of a second looking at the video and a doing a bit of pause/play. He had the tackle planned before the player received the ball probably. He ended up tackling him a bit lower than he was intending to as well I think as with the jump he ended up near his knees which perhaps gave that spear tackle type look. I thought the MRP findings were reasonable; "After reviewing all available video, it was the view of the panel that Cockatoo’s tackle did not consist of more than one action, was not unreasonable in the circumstances and did not lift Gore off the ground," the Panel said in its findings.
Frost was a straight out sling with nothing extra to consider.

 

[jackess]

If he did it would only have been by a tiny fraction of a second looking at the video and a doing a bit of pause/play. He had the tackle planned before the player received the ball probably. He ended up tackling him a bit lower than he was intending to as well I think as with the jump he ended up near his knees which perhaps gave that spear tackle type look. I thought the MRP findings were reasonable; "After reviewing all available video, it was the view of the panel that Cockatoo’s tackle did not consist of more than one action, was not unreasonable in the circumstances and did not lift Gore off the ground," the Panel said in its findings.
Frost was a straight out sling with nothing extra to consider.

So it's ok to spear tackle players as long as you don't lift them?

 

[Dalions]

So it's ok to spear tackle players as long as you don't lift them?

I was always under the impression that a spear requires a lift.

 

[jackess]

I was always under the impression that a spear requires a lift.

Spear or no spear. Driving your shoulder into a players guts and slamming them to the ground in the way Cckatoo did is very dangerous.

 

[Haso]

So it's ok to spear tackle players as long as you don't lift them?

I don't think he speared him, I think he drove horizontally (i.e. a legit tackle) but the players downward force from the fly pushed him down. I fine line, but I don't think it should be up to Cockatoo to attempt to keep him elevated when tackling him just to ensure that he didn't hit his head. If he didn't attempt to tackle he would have been roasted for not going in when it was his turn.

Fair outcome I think.

 

[brizrider]

So it's ok to spear tackle players as long as you don't lift them?

I don't think he spear tackled him

 

[jackess]

I don't think he speared him, I think he drove horizontally (i.e. a legit tackle) but the players downward force from the fly pushed him down. I fine line, but I don't think it should be up to Cockatoo to attempt to keep him elevated when tackling him just to ensure that he didn't hit his head. If he didn't attempt to tackle he would have been roasted for not going in when it was his turn.

Fair outcome I think.

Why couldn't he just wrap his arms in a bear hug type tackle and hold it in?

Do you really think the next player in Cockatoos situation should have free reign to do the same thing and concuss a player?

Just as the high bump you get a split second to do something reckless or look out for the other players welfare.

 

[Sanchez365]

I thought there was a bit of an action that seemed he wanted to slam the bloke into the turf. Maybe it was exaggerated by the fact he was airborne, but it certainly seemed like he grabbed him and then tried to slam him into the ground as hard as possible.

That said, would be pretty ridiculous if he got booked for it. I remember watching some crazy Byron pocket tackle, pinned both the arms as he ran him down and almost snapped the blokes neck. Still, was a legit tackle for the most part.

 

[jackess]

Matera didn't brace for a tackle. He went soft so he could be pushed over the boundary without getting paid deliberate. This made it easier for Frost to throw him around. He didn't get let off because the person tackled put himself him a vulnerable position.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Bloody political correct tackles.