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So, a mate and I put our heads together, came up with our best home 22 team. I played the majority of my footy as a young fella at Southern Districts (crocks) in Darwin's premier league, NTFL. I didn't play a lot of games 50+ due to injury and work commitments.

I'm interested to see other grass root best 22's, I'm certain there would be some excellent teams!

The population of the NT is 250 K, look at Southern Districts best 22, IMO it's insane!

Obviously, over time there has been a number of ring ins, White, Johnson and Headland are AfL premiership stars and NTFL premiership stars with the crocks too.

James Kelly is a reasonable addition, two premierships with Geelong.

Cupido and Jackovich both kick 100+ goals while at the crocs.

Unfortunately, I'm struggling to make the reserve best 22.

F Damian Cupido Allen Jackovich Michael O'Loughlin
HF Jarrod Brennan Gabby Wetra Richard Tambling
C Zac Bailey Nathan Buckley Gilbert McAdam
HB Robert Copeland Jarrod Brander James Kelly
B Darryl White James May Chris Johnson

R Mark Jamar Fabian Francis Des Headland
Jed Anderson

E Steven Koops Nakia Cockatoo Anthony Corrie
Jye Bolton Arron Shattock Adrian McAdam
Shannon Rusca
 
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Brayshaw and the Dees salary cap. I know it isn’t comparing apples with apples, but how does this compare to the Tom Boyd retirement and the Dayne Beams mental health situation?
Surely whether you are medically told to retire or self choose to retire doesn’t completely absolve you of salary cap payments?
Does a work cover claim override any of this?
 

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soreplums said:
Brayshaw and the Dees salary cap. I know it isn’t comparing apples with apples, but how does this compare to the Tom Boyd retirement and the Dayne Beams mental health situation?
Surely whether you are medically told to retire or self choose to retire doesn’t completely absolve you of salary cap payments?
Does a work cover claim override any of this?
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No work cover. Yes they would be fully up to pay his contract, all of which would go to the cap. There might be some negotiation to pay him a lesser amount in a lump sum - all of which would go to the cap in the last year he was a listed player. Guessing the club would approach the afl for some cap
Relief - which I reckon should be readily given for a concussion-related retirement.


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soreplums said:
Brayshaw and the Dees salary cap. I know it isn’t comparing apples with apples, but how does this compare to the Tom Boyd retirement and the Dayne Beams mental health situation?
Surely whether you are medically told to retire or self choose to retire doesn’t completely absolve you of salary cap payments?
Does a work cover claim override any of this?
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Btw Boyd wouldn’t have gotten paid out. He just retired- so the club wouldn’t have been liable to pay out any future unfulfilled years of his contract.


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soreplums said:
Brayshaw and the Dees salary cap. I know it isn’t comparing apples with apples, but how does this compare to the Tom Boyd retirement and the Dayne Beams mental health situation?
Surely whether you are medically told to retire or self choose to retire doesn’t completely absolve you of salary cap payments?
Does a work cover claim override any of this?
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It should all be covered in the CBA. If it is not it is likely an oversight.

In other leagues with guaranteed contracts, retiring for medical reasons would typically mean you get paid out, but just retiring means you don't.

The AFL probably has the flexibility to waive the salary cap obligations regardless.
 
sideswipe said:
No work cover. Yes they would be fully up to pay his contract, all of which would go to the cap. There might be some negotiation to pay him a lesser amount in a lump sum - all of which would go to the cap in the last year he was a listed player. Guessing the club would approach the afl for some cap
Relief - which I reckon should be readily given for a concussion-related retirement.


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why should a concussion retirement be any different to another type of injury?
 
TW Sherrin said:
not sure why you'd think it isn't a serious question.
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Just thought the answer was so bleedingly obvious that any footy follower would understand that concussion-related retirements are very different to a bung leg retirement.

Guessing you must not be aware of the growing concerns around concussion, the growing number of concussion-related retirements, class actions, etc.? The AFL needs to be doing(and seen to be doing) everything in their power to protect players. One such measure might be, on a case by case basis, to grant cap relief to clubs who have a long term contract to a player who is forced to retire due to concussion issues. This would make it somewhat "easier" on a club rather than putting them in a position where they might try to force/persuade a player to keep playing.

Without cap relief, if Brayshaw is delisted at season's end, his whole payout goes into this year's cap. Alternatively, they have to keep him on their list if they want to spread the payments over a few seasons.

That's about the short version of it.
 
sideswipe said:
Just thought the answer was so bleedingly obvious that any footy follower would understand that concussion-related retirements are very different to a bung leg retirement.

Guessing you must not be aware of the growing concerns around concussion, the growing number of concussion-related retirements, class actions, etc.? The AFL needs to be doing(and seen to be doing) everything in their power to protect players. One such measure might be, on a case by case basis, to grant cap relief to clubs who have a long term contract to a player who is forced to retire due to concussion issues. This would make it somewhat "easier" on a club rather than putting them in a position where they might try to force/persuade a player to keep playing.

Without cap relief, if Brayshaw is delisted at season's end, his whole payout goes into this year's cap. Alternatively, they have to keep him on their list if they want to spread the payments over a few seasons.

That's about the short version of it.
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you are missing the point.

if concussion is classified as an injury why should a player be treated differently than someone forced into retirement due to a non concussion injury?

they are all injuries and you can't pick and choose which ones you pay out outside the cap.
 

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TW Sherrin said:
you are missing the point.

if concussion is classified as an injury why should a player be treated differently than someone forced into retirement due to a non concussion injury?

they are all injuries and you can't pick and choose which ones you pay out outside the cap.
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I just covered that. How did you get your brain injury?
 
sideswipe said:
Just thought the answer was so bleedingly obvious that any footy follower would understand that concussion-related retirements are very different to a bung leg retirement.

Guessing you must not be aware of the growing concerns around concussion, the growing number of concussion-related retirements, class actions, etc.? The AFL needs to be doing(and seen to be doing) everything in their power to protect players. One such measure might be, on a case by case basis, to grant cap relief to clubs who have a long term contract to a player who is forced to retire due to concussion issues. This would make it somewhat "easier" on a club rather than putting them in a position where they might try to force/persuade a player to keep playing.

Without cap relief, if Brayshaw is delisted at season's end, his whole payout goes into this year's cap. Alternatively, they have to keep him on their list if they want to spread the payments over a few seasons.

That's about the short version of it.
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Couldn’t part of the solution be then to open up another list spot? If part of the problem is to spread out payments?
 
sideswipe said:
Just thought the answer was so bleedingly obvious that any footy follower would understand that concussion-related retirements are very different to a bung leg retirement.

Guessing you must not be aware of the growing concerns around concussion, the growing number of concussion-related retirements, class actions, etc.? The AFL needs to be doing(and seen to be doing) everything in their power to protect players. One such measure might be, on a case by case basis, to grant cap relief to clubs who have a long term contract to a player who is forced to retire due to concussion issues. This would make it somewhat "easier" on a club rather than putting them in a position where they might try to force/persuade a player to keep playing.

Without cap relief, if Brayshaw is delisted at season's end, his whole payout goes into this year's cap. Alternatively, they have to keep him on their list if they want to spread the payments over a few seasons.

That's about the short version of it.
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An alternative view is that clubs can back-end contracts and then claim a concussion related retirement in the final year/years and get the backend component paid outside the cap - there's a can of worms with this one and I don't see it as straight forward in any sense.
 
TW Sherrin said:
you are missing the point.

if concussion is classified as an injury why should a player be treated differently than someone forced into retirement due to a non concussion injury?

they are all injuries and you can't pick and choose which ones you pay out outside the cap.
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I’m with you - medical retirement should be medical retirement irrespective of the cause. But can’t imagine it happens very often

One example was Tom Hunter who was forced into retirement due to some congenital issue with his neck which made him a risk of being permanently paralysed.

But Dane Swan with hi Lis Franc injury wouldn’t have been, because he could conceivably be patched up and given another contract if he wanted to play and a club wanted him.
 
76woodenspooners said:
I’m with you - medical retirement should be medical retirement irrespective of the cause. But can’t imagine it happens very often

One example was Tom Hunter who was forced into retirement due to some congenital issue with his neck which made him a risk of being permanently paralysed.

But Dane Swan with hi Lis Franc injury wouldn’t have been, because he could conceivably be patched up and given another contract if he wanted to play and a club wanted him.
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Swan was different. There was a rule around career ending injuries in final contract years that involved an insurance type payout outside the cap. Since removed


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RobJD said:
An alternative view is that clubs can back-end contracts and then claim a concussion related retirement in the final year/years and get the backend component paid outside the cap - there's a can of worms with this one and I don't see it as straight forward in any sense.
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Seriously? Club’s backend blokes then retire them on concussion grounds for cap relief? Get a couple of brain surgeons to tick it off? Hmmm


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sideswipe said:
Seriously? Club’s backend blokes then retire them on concussion grounds for cap relief? Get a couple of brain surgeons to tick it off? Hmmm


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Not as crazy as it appears. What doctor wants to rule that a lpayer is fine when the evidence around the condition is speculative at best? Most professionals, doctors especially, are particularly conservative and typically err on the side of caution. I would be amazed if a doctor would rule a player is fine if they presented with ANY evidence of a head knock - even if the scans were clear.
 
Abdul_The_Bull said:
Not as crazy as it appears. What doctor wants to rule that a lpayer is fine when the evidence around the condition is speculative at best? Most professionals, doctors especially, are particularly conservative and typically err on the side of caution. I would be amazed if a doctor would rule a player is fine if they presented with ANY evidence of a head knock - even if the scans were clear.
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I'll put you on the naughty step as well.
 
Is interstate membership the only membership we can buy interstate tickets with? Aka Brions etc.

Also, is Doggies game at Marvel already sold out?
 

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