Oppo Camp Other Clubs News/General Discussion

[Fat Jesus]

I hope they do, as I think it weakens them.

He'll play at minimum one final. If he stinks it up he may get dropped.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Misled him why?
Because of his bad form being dropped once to the VFL?
Please tell me

Melbourne absolutely stitched him up, they sold it as he would be the number one and max playing forward 70/30 split. Turns out max ain’t a forward…. Oops. Melbourne should have known what they were getting.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Melbourne absolutely stitched him up, they sold it as he would be the number one and max playing forward 70/30 split. Turns out max ain’t a forward…. Oops. Melbourne should have known what they were getting.

"We see Brodie and Max playing 10 minutes a quarter forward of the ball," he said.

"But how we get that extra exposure is at VFL level, so he'll play as a permanent forward again this week (in the VFL).

"We know what he can do in the ruck. We're trying to increase his ability to impact forward of the ball."

Simon Goodwin earlier today..

 

[Chameleon75]

"We see Brodie and Max playing 10 minutes a quarter forward of the ball," he said.

"But how we get that extra exposure is at VFL level, so he'll play as a permanent forward again this week (in the VFL).

"We know what he can do in the ruck. We're trying to increase his ability to impact forward of the ball."

Simon Goodwin earlier today..

their original plan didn’t work, this is a Hail Mary

 

[sr36]

He'll play at minimum one final. If he stinks it up he may get dropped.

If he can be competent as a forward in the VFL they'll give it another try, but with Grundy mainly forward, as it gives them a big advantage in terms of locking it in after forward half stoppages. Opposition ruckman has to go to those stoppages against Grundy and Gawn can sit back to make a really strong defensive wall, like what the Cats did with Hawkins and Blicavs last year. It's a real weapon for the Cats. Problem is I doubt he can be competent as a forward.

I suspect this was their original plan, but with Gawn as the forward. They overrated both what Gawn offers as a forward and what Grundy offers to a defensive wall, so it didn't work.

 

[gouki88]

In case anyone is wondering, Walker from Freo has torn his patella tendon apparently.
Good luck to the you man.

Bloody hell, that sounds like a shocker to recover from.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

If he can be competent as a forward in the VFL they'll give it another try, but with Grundy mainly forward, as it gives them a big advantage in terms of locking it in after forward half stoppages. Opposition ruckman has to go to those stoppages against Grundy and Gawn can sit back to make a really strong defensive wall, like what the Cats did with Hawkins and Blicavs last year. It's a real weapon for the Cats. Problem is I doubt he can be competent as a forward.

I suspect this was their original plan, but with Gawn as the forward. They overrated both what Gawn offers as a forward and what Grundy offers to a defensive wall, so it didn't work.

Their original plan was for Gawn to play forward more. 1. Because Gawn CAN play as a forward and make an impact; 2. Because they badly need more firepower in the KPF role. They have been clear in stating that this is the main reasoning.

If they expected Grundy to become a forward somehow and take contested marks around the ground (something he had not shown adequate capability in) then that's one hell of a bad plan.

 

[sr36]

Their original plan was for Gawn to play forward more. 1. Because Gawn CAN play as a forward and make an impact; 2. Because they badly need more firepower in the KPF role. They have been clear in stating that this is the main reasoning.

If they expected Grundy to become a forward somehow and take contested marks around the ground (something he had not shown adequate capability in) then that's one hell of a bad plan.

Either way it was a bad plan. I do however think it would have been partially driven by seeing how much the Cats strengthened their defensive wall by having a forward who is dangerous in the ruck.

 

[JuniorB]

Bloody hell, that sounds like a shocker to recover from.

It's not an ACL, but it sounds like a nasty injury - a speedy recovery to the young fella.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

"We see Brodie and Max playing 10 minutes a quarter forward of the ball," he said.

"But how we get that extra exposure is at VFL level, so he'll play as a permanent forward again this week (in the VFL).

"We know what he can do in the ruck. We're trying to increase his ability to impact forward of the ball."

Simon Goodwin earlier today..

That’s what Goodwin is saying now, it definitely wasn’t that at the start. Ah well not the pies problem now.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Either way it was a bad plan. I do however think it would have been partially driven by seeing how much the Cats strengthened their defensive wall by having a forward who is dangerous in the ruck.

It may be what they fall back to trying now that plan A is abandoned. But no way it was in their original thinking.

If Grundy taking forward stoppages and Gawn providing a defensive screen was part of the tactics they wanted to employ, why didn't they? Probably because if Gawn is outside the f50 when the ball is forward then it screws up one of the key reasons for Grundy's recruitment... to let Gawn get dangerous as a forward.

Aside from that I generally fail to see the resemblance between Gawn and Grundy and Hawkins and Blicavs in terms of the way they can be used.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

It may be what they fall back to trying now that plan A is abandoned. But no way it was in their original thinking.

If Grundy taking forward stoppages and Gawn providing a defensive screen was part of the tactics they wanted to employ, why didn't they? Probably because if Gawn is outside the f50 when the ball is forward then it screws up one of the key reasons for Grundy's recruitment... to let Gawn get dangerous as a forward.

Aside from that I generally fail to see the resemblance between Gawn and Grundy and Hawkins and Blicavs in terms of the way they can be used.

Agree. It's not what they said from the beginning. Most people couldn't understand why they'd want two players who can only play ruck.

I find it amusing that they've only just discovered this was never going to work.

 

[sr36]

It may be what they fall back to trying now that plan A is abandoned. But no way it was in their original thinking.

If Grundy taking forward stoppages and Gawn providing a defensive screen was part of the tactics they wanted to employ, why didn't they? Probably because if Gawn is outside the f50 when the ball is forward then it screws up one of the key reasons for Grundy's recruitment... to let Gawn get dangerous as a forward.

Aside from that I generally fail to see the resemblance between Gawn and Grundy and Hawkins and Blicavs in terms of the way they can be used.

You quoted me saying this "I suspect this was their original plan, but with Gawn as the forward." I was suggesting that the plan was Gawn to play forward. I believe a big part in them wanting Grundy is that they envisaged themselves doing something similar to what the Cats did with Hawkins and Blicavs, which requires a forward who is dangerous in the ruck - Gwan. I personally think Hawkins was the Cats most important player last year - really dangerous forward and on top his ruckwork was incredibly dangerous and enabled them to strengthen their defence because Blicavs could just sit back. I think Melbourne wanted to copy that aspect, but they overrated both Gawn the forward and Grundy's aerial game for a defensive wall, so now they either play Grundy in the VFL or give him a shot to improve as the forward who is dangerous in the ruck.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Agree. It's not what they said from the beginning. Most people couldn't understand why they'd want two players who can only play ruck.

I find it amusing that they've only just discovered this was never going to work.

It's also amusing that Simon Goodwin was so confident about this recruitment working and the plan around it that he went out of his way to take pot shots at Collingwood with the "He's at a club where he feels valued now" comments. It's embarrassing for him really. At the end of the day it was his plan to approve/disapprove.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

It's also amusing that Simon Goodwin was so confident about this recruitment working and the plan around it that he went out of his way to take pot shots at Collingwood with the "He's at a club where he feels valued now" comments. It's embarrassing for him really. At the end of the day it was his plan to approve/disapprove.

Yep. I can't remember us ever dropping Grundy to the VFL. And we were well aware of his strengths, weaknesses & deficiencies. Which is exactly why Wright knew the contract put in place by the previous administration should never have been signed.

So Dee's end up getting him a little bit cheaper, now he's in the VFL to learn a new skill set, which we knew he didn't possess... it's almost like Goodwin had never watched Grundy play.

 

[gerryg400]

Yep. I can't remember us ever dropping Grundy to the VFL. And we were well aware of his strengths, weaknesses & deficiencies. Which is exactly why Wright knew the contract put in place by the previous administration should never have been signed.

So Dee's end up getting him a little bit cheaper, now he's in the VFL to learn a new skill set, which we knew he didn't possess... it's almost like Goodwin had never watched Grundy play.

Didn’t we drop him at the end of ‘22 but he got injured and couldn’t play?

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Didn’t we drop him at the end of ‘22 but he got injured and couldn’t play?

Who knows. He was injured most of the year and there has been reports since that his rehab last year was being questioned. We certainly didn't drop him to go back and learn a new position.

* Edit: Just found this, he came back through the VFL for one match after his knee injury.

Collingwood ruckman Brodie Grundy will miss the remainder of the 2022 season due to a stress fracture in his ankle.

Collingwood General Manager Football Graham Wright said it was unfortunate news for Brodie and the Club after making a successful return from a knee injury through the VFL on Saturday, July 30.

“Brodie took part in the Club’s VFL game against the Southport Sharks just over a week ago and he pulled up sore from that match. He then participated in a training session early last week and was still experiencing soreness, so he was sent for scans which revealed a stress fracture in his left ankle,” Wright said.

August, 2022.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

It's not an ACL, but it sounds like a nasty injury - a speedy recovery to the young fella.

In terms of recovery time, and career longevity statistically speaking, it’s worse.

 

[JuniorB]

It may be what they fall back to trying now that plan A is abandoned. But no way it was in their original thinking.

If Grundy taking forward stoppages and Gawn providing a defensive screen was part of the tactics they wanted to employ, why didn't they? Probably because if Gawn is outside the f50 when the ball is forward then it screws up one of the key reasons for Grundy's recruitment... to let Gawn get dangerous as a forward.

Aside from that I generally fail to see the resemblance between Gawn and Grundy and Hawkins and Blicavs in terms of the way they can be used.

Yes, Hawkins is a high quality key forward, who rucks a bit when the ball is in his area.

 

[danielnajdek]

Cripps and Cerra not playing this week. I bet they miraculously recover for next week.

 

[neilk]

Cripps and Cerra not playing this week. I bet they miraculously recover for next week.

Have heard from Carlton coterie-type that they're unlikely to get up for us. Wait and see.

 

[domus]

Keeping an eye on Geelong now. If Melbourne hadn't scraped in by a bee's willy last week they would be 2 points off 4 th spot. They are at full strength now with an unchanged line up this week. It's highly likely we will be playing them again in the qualifying final. Sigh.

 

[danielnajdek]

Have heard from Carlton coterie-type that they're unlikely to get up for us. Wait and see.

Same thing was said about the Port guys and they all got named this week.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Have heard from Carlton coterie-type that they're unlikely to get up for us. Wait and see.

Sorry to intrude, ITK poster on our board mentioned Cripps will be rested this week on about Tuesday. Said Cripps is just a freshen up but will 100% play Pies, Cerra a most likely.

 

[3rdMan]

Cripps and Cerra not playing this week. I bet they miraculously recover for next week.

Blues pulling a Power and giving them a rest. Much safer game for them though and a fair enough move. Would be very funny if they lost to the Eagles though.