Expansion PNG Joins NRL .......... Options For AFL ??

[LordLucifer]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/papua-new-guinea-officially-added-to-the-nrl-premiership/live-coverage/163e5bfad646928bdf8565aef9f8078e?fbclid=IwY2xjawHHBClleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHdyr1VnTuw-nyUb8Vsv41TgFbrY1_W9MJYndgdR8Gdv0uJVbKRE_9Wuw-Q_aem_WtvqtIHVXxqRXGydaTpszg

I'm not convinced the NRL's plan is going to work at all with this new team from PNG joining them.

However, should the AFL consider international options as well ??

Yes, there would be serious limitations on overseas players being capable of adapting to our game initially but maybe it does deserve some further thought.

NZ has been tried for exhibition games already.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

There are no realistic options for the AFL.

 

[Rob]

No.

The circumstances that lead to this PNG team will not be replicated anywhere, and in any case, the reputational risk for all parties involved is high.

 

[kalex6251]

for starters - the afl might want to have a quiet word with jim chalmers (through albo) about his refusal to allow tax concessions on the new hobart stadium build

for starters .....

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

for starters - the afl might want to have a quiet word with jim chalmers (through albo) about his refusal to allow tax concessions on the new hobart stadium build

for starters .....

What tax concessions has he refused?? He doesn't make rulings, that's the ATO's job. Other stadium builds didn't get concessions, it sounds like the Hobart stadium team want a change in the law.

 

[Colonial]

Dumb by the nrl. NZ2 and Perth should be pushed in way before this.

 

[kalex6251]

happy to correct but this might provide some background (please do not view this as a personal endorsement for dutton - simply posting an online article to answer a question asked at #5 )

Dutton hints at GST exemption for Tasmania’s Macquarie Point stadium project

‘We’re very happy to consider any request around the GST’…

pulsetasmania.com.au

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

What tax concessions has he refused?? He doesn't make rulings, that's the ATO's job. Other stadium builds didn't get concessions, it sounds like the Hobart stadium team want a change in the law.

I suspect this may refer to the federal portion of funding not being exempt from calculations in Tasmania's GST allocation. This generally does not occur, and with exactly zero national or international benefit, giving any special exemption would be an attempt at pure vote bribing.

The Hobart AFL stadium may have just increased in cost for Tasmania. So whose fault is it?

A war of words over whether Hobart's proposed Macquarie Point urban renewal project — the site of a new stadium — should be exempt from GST calculations has erupted. The Federal Labor treasurer says no — and the Liberal state treasurer is fuming.

www.abc.net.au

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

happy to correct but this might provide some background (please do not view this as a personal endorsement for dutton - simply posting an online article to answer a question asked at #5 )

Dutton hints at GST exemption for Tasmania’s Macquarie Point stadium project

‘We’re very happy to consider any request around the GST’…

pulsetasmania.com.au

I thought you were referring to income tax as there is a public-private component of the stadium build. GST exemptions stuff is a state battle shit fight with the feds.

 

[Obeanie1]

Dumb by the nrl. NZ2 and Perth should be pushed in way before this.

This is a political move not totally a sporting expansion plan.

 

[Colonial]

This is a political move not totally a sporting expansion plan.

Still ridiculous.

No star player and their family is going to want to live in a walled “safe community” to play in Port Moresby.

 

[Rob]

Still ridiculous.

No star player and their family is going to want to live in a walled “safe community” to play in Port Moresby.

If it's tax free they might. Income tax on $800k is significant.

But it's difficult to see players wanting to stay for more than a couple of years.

 

[Badger17]

This is comfortably the worst decision that's been made in RL since the Super League War. The only reason it's got over the line at all is because PVL gets universally positive press because of his protected species status at News and Nine. The idea would have been ripped to shreds had any other ARLC chairman or NRL CEO supported it.

The logistics and social issues in PNG will be a thorn in the NRL's side and it's only a matter of time before the whole thing blows up in the NRL's face. The side will be totally reliant on the government for it's existence, and it'll fold the moment that source of funding is cut off.

That's without mentioning the moral and ethical implications that having a Australian government funded professional sports team in PNG brings up, which are serious, various, and being conveniently ignored in the mainstream discussion about the team.

It's a terrible idea and the AFL would be mad to follow suit even if they had the means, which they likely don't.

 

[Badger17]

If it's tax free they might. Income tax on $800k is significant.

But it's difficult to see players wanting to stay for more than a couple of years.

I guarantee that PNG will be most players last option even despite the tax free status.

There will regularly be players that choose to play in the ESL on half the money over moving to PNG, especially if they have families. I mean would you prefer make a very healthy wage whilst getting to experience life in e.g. Manchester or the South of France, or move to Port Moresby to live in a gold plated prison?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Still ridiculous.

No star player and their family is going to want to live in a walled “safe community” to play in Port Moresby.

That's assuming they chase star players from Oz and NZ.

This will be a team made up of PNGers and Pacific Islanders.

 

[Bjo187]

Albo was always going to find a way to feed huge sums of money to his favourite sport and to think he under funded and demanded 'a bigger contribution from the afl' to chip in for the Tasmania stadium (infrastructure for the Australian public used by multiple sports), just makes this rort even worse.

How can he possibly justify 60 mill to all the other NRL clubs for doing nothing? and the expansion money of the entire sport in the Pacific on the Aussie tax payer? That's $310 million worth of just feeding money to his best mate PVL, that isn't even needed for this so called 'international diplomacy' png club.

Just think if a p.m was doing this for the afl, an actual Australian invented sport, what the backlash would be from the Sydney media.

 

[Philhawk]

Huge move for the NRL. I personally think it’ll be a huge success, but let’s wait and see.

The more interesting part from this will mean it’ll guarantee Perth comes in to get the extra game and TV $$$

 

[Obeanie1]

Albo was always going to find a way to feed huge sums of money to his favourite sport and to think he under funded and demanded 'a bigger contribution from the afl' to chip in for the Tasmania stadium (infrastructure for the Australian public used by multiple sports), just makes this rort even worse.

How can he possibly justify 60 mill to all the other NRL clubs for doing nothing? and the expansion money of the entire sport in the Pacific on the Aussie tax payer? That's $310 million worth of just feeding money to his best mate PVL, that isn't even needed for this so called 'international diplomacy' png club.

Just think if a p.m was doing this for the afl, an actual Australian invented sport, what the backlash would be from the Sydney media.

Lol.

Do you think the stadium in Tasmania will help keep China's influence out of PNG?

Because that is the only reason this makes sense for the Feds to chip in.

This is another strategic tactic to keep PNG under Australian influence and block the Chinese rolling into PNG and taking over.

So nothing to do with the AFL nor Tasmania.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

PNGers love the Kumuls - the national team. They pack the National Stadium of 15,000 whenever they play there.

The PNG team that plays in the Queensland Cup are the Port Moresby Vipers, so it will be interesting to see if that's what the team gets called. Keep the price of tickets at a reasonable level and the team will sell out all their home games.

This would never have happened if China wasn't trying to expand across the Pacific. Part of this deal is the signing of "parallel" agreement on "strategic trust" between the two countries.

PNG team to enter NRL under long-awaited deal with Australia

Australia and Papua New Guinea unveil a long-awaited deal handing PNG its own NRL team, confirming the league's most ambitious expansion since formation, and notching what the federal government is hailing as a major strategic victory.

www.abc.net.au

'Grassroots' impact for new team​

The $600 million will be split into three "streams" — $290 million for the franchise, $250 million for rugby league partnerships across the Pacific and a $60 million licence fee.

The agreement is capped at that amount, with the NRL agreeing it will not ask for any additional money.

The government is also making it clear it will not provide any additional funding beyond the 10 years, and says it's confident that the franchise will be sustainable after that.

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PNG agrees to 'parallel' security deal​

In return, Papua New Guinea has agreed to sign what has been called a "parallel" agreement on "strategic trust" between the two countries, which is designed to stop China from gaining a significant security foothold in the Pacific country.

Mr Marape has played down the significance of the agreement, saying it simply reaffirms Australia as PNG's top security partner and existing commitments made under a security pact both countries signed last year and which also enters into force today.

But the ABC has been told it contains a clause which allows the federal government to withdraw funding at any time if PNG breaches its commitment to stick with Australia as its major security partner.

If that happens then the NRL is obliged to terminate the franchise immediately.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This is about the Pacific as much as PNG.

What you need to know about the ARLC Pacific Rugby League Partnership

Everything you need to know about the ARLC's landmark Pacific Rugby League Partnership and expansion into Papua New Guinea.

www.nrl.com

What is the Pacific Rugby League Partnership?​

The 10-year Pacific Rugby League Partnership will support investment into grassroots, pathways and elite rugby league across Papua New Guinea, Tonga, Samoa and Fiji. It will also support the introduction of a PNG-based NRL side as part of an expanded NRL Telstra Premiership.

 

[Bjo187]

PNG agrees to 'parallel' security deal​

In return, Papua New Guinea has agreed to sign what has been called a "parallel" agreement on "strategic trust" between the two countries, which is designed to stop China from gaining a significant security foothold in the Pacific country.

Mr Marape has played down the significance of the agreement, saying it simply reaffirms Australia as PNG's top security partner and existing commitments made under a security pact both countries signed last year and which also enters into force today.

But the ABC has been told it contains a clause which allows the federal government to withdraw funding at any time if PNG breaches its commitment to stick with Australia as its major security partner.

If that happens then the NRL is obliged to terminate the franchise immediately.

Interesting claim from the ABC considering v'landy's himself indicated today there is no repercussions for png if they don't pull the political line of not dealing with China.

Lol.

Do you think the stadium in Tasmania will help keep China's influence out of PNG?

Because that is the only reason this makes sense for the Feds to chip in.

This is another strategic tactic to keep PNG under Australian influence and block the Chinese rolling into PNG and taking over.

So nothing to do with the AFL nor Tasmania.

How niave are you to think this will make any difference at all to China throwing money at a corrupt png government. Also if this is a deal for politics, why didn't albo just fund the team and not the entire league of the NRL, it's clubs and expansion of the whole sport in the Pacific along with it?

 

[Obeanie1]

Interesting claim from the ABC considering v'landy's himself indicated today there is no repercussions for png if they don't pull the political line of not dealing with China.



How niave are you to think this will make any difference at all to China throwing money at a corrupt png government. Also if this is a deal for politics, why didn't albo just fund the team and not the entire league of the NRL, it's clubs and expansion of the whole sport in the Pacific along with it?

Your naive if you think this isn't the reason we are doing it.

China will continue trying to influenence PNG.

If the Australian government does nothing then China will succeed.

 

[Colonial]

That's assuming they chase star players from Oz and NZ.

This will be a team made up of PNGers and Pacific Islanders.

Any player of quality will leave for a region they don’t have to be I a walled facility. No matter background.

 

[Colonial]

Interesting claim from the ABC considering v'landy's himself indicated today there is no repercussions for png if they don't pull the political line of not dealing with China.

Vlandys is a liar, he said Vegas was for expanding the game. It wasn’t it was a gambling trip.

How niave are you to think this will make any difference at all to China throwing money at a corrupt png government. Also if this is a deal for politics, why didn't albo just fund the team and not the entire league of the NRL, it's clubs and expansion of the whole sport in the Pacific along with it?

China won’t stop trying to win over PNG just because we are giving them a footy team.

But if China are successful then the Aussie coin is pulled. Hopefully. With Labor you just don’t know where their loyalties are.

 

[Bjo187]

Your naive if you think this isn't the reason we are doing it.

China will continue trying to influenence PNG.

If the Australian government does nothing then China succeed.

"Written and authorised by the Australian Labor Party, Canberra".

Vlandys is a liar, he said Vegas was for expanding the game. It wasn’t it was a gambling trip.

China won’t stop trying to win over PNG just because we are giving them a footy team.

But if China are successful then the Aussie coin is pulled. Hopefully. With Labor you just don’t know where their loyalties are.

I don't have an issue with the premise of the deal, I do have an issue with the person that come up with it being an NRL super fan and funding the entire sports expansion in the Pacific and lining the pockets of every club in the entire NRL competition in the meantime though.

It's a facade to give the competition the leg up it needs to match the afl as Australia's biggest sport. No different to the streaming rights loophole albo just so happened to come up with, after his regular lunch catch up with PVL.