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Thought we needed a new thread specifically for hand histories, be they good, bad or indifferent. Pretty them up so they are readable, add your own comments if you want, maybe we can discuss them.

Here's a nice hand that didn't hit and I gave up on it. Would have probably called a bet on the river.

Omaha Hi $0.25-$0.50 (real money), hand #586,238,387

Seat 1: AussieAsh [5D,AS,AD,3S] ($20.10 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
teameats posts blind ($0.15), kim3333 posts blind ($0.25), Jay Rye posts blind ($0.25), the GNAT 32 posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
ColForbbin calls $0.25, AussieAsh bets $0.50, Jay Rye calls $0.25, Ofraim5186 folds, Cimo calls $0.50,
the GNAT 32 calls $0.25, jandkaff calls $0.50, teameats folds, kim3333 calls $0.25, ColForbbin calls $0.25.

FLOP [board cards 4H,JD,2S ]
kim3333 checks, ColForbbin checks, AussieAsh bets $0.25, Jay Rye calls $0.25, Cimo calls $0.25,
the GNAT 32 folds, jandkaff calls $0.25, kim3333 calls $0.25, ColForbbin calls $0.25.

TURN [board cards 4H,JD,2S,7D ]
kim3333 checks, ColForbbin checks, AussieAsh bets $0.50, Jay Rye folds, Cimo calls $0.50,
jandkaff calls $0.50, kim3333 calls $0.50, ColForbbin calls $0.50.

RIVER [board cards 4H,JD,2S,7D,7C ]
kim3333 checks, ColForbbin checks, AussieAsh checks, Cimo checks, jandkaff checks.

SHOWDOWN
kim3333 shows [ 6D,JC,9S,2C ]
ColForbbin shows [ KD,4S,JH,KS ]
AussieAsh shows [ 5D,AS,AD,3S ]
Cimo mucks cards [ 10D,6S,9D,8S ]
jandkaff mucks cards [ 5S,4D,2D,QH ]
AussieAsh wins $7.40. :thumbsu:

Lucky I guess. Had AAKKss earlier but didn't win with it.
 
yeah just the Aces with the sevens on board. Hoping for an Ace, three, five, six or diamond. Caught nothing and thought I was beat..

PS: I made a nice "gay raise" pre-flop. It was only a limit table.
 

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From the first BF Poker Challenge:

Seat 1: Borgsta666 ($315 in chips) - having connection problems
Seat 3: Falchoon ($2,195 in chips)
Seat 4: 7Hamster ($3,495 in chips)
Seat 9: AussieAsh [5D,3H] ($1,495 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
AussieAsh posts blind ($75), Borgsta666 posts blind ($150).

PRE-FLOP
Falchoon bets $400, 7Hamster folds, AussieAsh folds, Borgsta666 calls $165 and is all-in.

FLOP [board cards 5S,3D,4S ]

TURN [board cards 5S,3D,4S,AS ]

RIVER [board cards 5S,3D,4S,AS,6C ]

SHOWDOWN
Falchoon shows [ QD,JD ]
Borgsta666 shows [ 2S,3S ] - nice straight flush wheel :thumbsu:
Falchoon wins $85, Borgsta666 wins $705.
 
Fair to say I had this one covered


Seat 3: fsyounger ($10.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Falchoon [JH,10C,JS,KD] ($28.80 in chips)
Seat 9: lings ($11.60 in chips)
Seat 10: STANCH ($14.20 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
lings posts blind ($0.25), STANCH posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
fsyounger folds, Falchoon calls $0.25, lings checks, STANCH checks.

FLOP [board cards JC,10S,KC ]
lings checks, STANCH checks, Falchoon bets $0.50, lings folds, STANCH calls $0.50.

TURN [board cards JC,10S,KC,KH ]
STANCH checks, Falchoon bets $0.50, STANCH calls $0.50.

RIVER [board cards JC,10S,KC,KH,KS ]
STANCH checks, Falchoon bets $1, STANCH calls $1.

SHOWDOWN
Falchoon shows [ JH,10C,JS,KD ]
STANCH mucks cards [ 10D,5D,10H,8D ]
Falchoon wins $4.50.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Falchoon
Pot: $4.75, (including rake: $0.25)
fsyounger, loses $0
Falchoon, bets $2.25, collects $4.50, net $2.25
lings, loses $0.25
STANCH, loses $2.25

4 k's 3 J's and 2 10's
 
Not mine.

First hand of a winner-take-all tournament, the flop is Kc-10c-9c.

Player 2 : bets (41% pre flop, 17% post flop)
Player 3 : moves all in (30% pre flop,8% post flop)
Player 1 : calls (29% pre flop, 75% post flop)
Player 2 : calls

Player 2 shows Ac-Jh (nut-flush draw)
Player 3 shows Qc-9s (Q-high flush draw, Q-high gutshot straight draw, split nines)
Player 1 shows 7c-6c (made flush, T-high gutshot straight flush draw)

8c on the turn gave Player 1 his straight flush, Player 2 was drawing dead, Player 3 was 2.4% to catch the Jc:

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I cant copy PR HH and I cant be bothered making one up, so I've got two scenarios for you people.

Hand 1: What to do...

Sitting at a 50c/50c NL Table, going well after about one hour and I'm up about 5x my buy-in. Sitting in the BB you get dealt 9s-5s, this guy who I up until now have percieved as extremely tight and has shown before he will limp with any pair below JJ, raises it to 4xBB, and he has me slightly covered by about $20. Mid Position calls, I've been having a good run so I call as well.

Flop: 9x-5x-7s no flushes out there. I bet half the pot, the original raiser re-raises LP calls, so now I put him on a monster (to go with the now monster pot), hands such as AA-KK-QQ don't put him on anything suited or AK coz he would have laid it down, maybe I got caught up in the heat of the moment but I decided to move all-in on the off chance he may have a-6 or a-8. He calls, LP doesnt call.

How did I play it, and the typical what do you think he has scenario, what do you put him on.

Hand 2:

This could have been a result of Hand 1 (i wont say). I sit down at the $1/$1 table, with $100 even max buy-in. You come in last to act, with two callers before you, I see KK, raise to $8 everyone folds round to last to act, who moves all in, and proceeds to say "welcome to the table". He's limped...and put me all in on the first hand, proceeded to taunt me and with my $100 to go if I lose the hand, very tough decision here. Do I want to go in even a slight race situation, against AK or am I totally dominating him if he holds QQ or JJ, or has he got me completely dogged with AA, maybe even KK himself?

Your thoughts?
 
I'm no NLHE expert (though reigning Bigfooty Champion and current points leader ;) )

But with 95 I say bad call made good, the only hands that own you are the 3 of a kinds and the straight.

If you're in with 95 the flops about as good as it gets, I'd be pushing.

Scenario 2 is a bankroll call, how much does your $100 mean to you. Even if it means a lot I'm still calling.
 
Hand 1: What to do...

Sitting at a 50c/50c NL Table, going well after about one hour and I'm up about 5x my buy-in. Sitting in the BB you get dealt 9s-5s, this guy who I up until now have percieved as extremely tight and has shown before he will limp with any pair below JJ, raises it to 4xBB, and he has me slightly covered by about $20. Mid Position calls, I've been having a good run so I call as well.

Flop: 9x-5x-7s no flushes out there. I bet half the pot, the original raiser re-raises LP calls, so now I put him on a monster (to go with the now monster pot), hands such as AA-KK-QQ don't put him on anything suited or AK coz he would have laid it down, maybe I got caught up in the heat of the moment but I decided to move all-in on the off chance he may have a-6 or a-8. He calls, LP doesnt call.

How did I play it, and the typical what do you think he has scenario, what do you put him on
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Firstly, I would have folded pre-flop. It is not a bad strategy to defend your blind against a tight player if you're heads-up with him, as you could check/raise him if you think he missed the flop, or even lead into it to test him out - put some pressure on him. But, with someone else in the pot, you can't make this play, and are looking to get lucky. So I would have folded simply because a tight player has raised in a multi-way pot, and it's a bad spot to be in out of position.

As for your play on the flop, I'm fine with it. You said he would limp with small-mid pairs, so you can't put him on a set there. And you've recognized he's a tight player, he won't raise with 6-8. So you have to assume he has an overpair - most likely A-A, K-K, or Q-Q. Leading at the flop is the right play, because he will raise you, and if you set him all-in, which you did, he's going to call and be in some trouble.

This could have been a result of Hand 1 (i wont say). I sit down at the $1/$1 table, with $100 even max buy-in. You come in last to act, with two callers before you, I see KK, raise to $8 everyone folds round to last to act, who moves all in, and proceeds to say "welcome to the table". He's limped...and put me all in on the first hand, proceeded to taunt me and with my $100 to go if I lose the hand, very tough decision here. Do I want to go in even a slight race situation, against AK or am I totally dominating him if he holds QQ or JJ, or has he got me completely dogged with AA, maybe even KK himself?
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No. I would fold there. You have just arrived to the table, so you're unable to determine if he is making a play at you, or if he is someone who will make this play - which, of course, represents Aces. There's a big chance he has a pocket pair which is lower than yours (I don't think he has anything other than a pair here, unless he's drunk or stupid). A big part of the decision would be, if he has Aces, why would he move all-in? That would make you want to call. But at these limits, people see monsters and tend to move in. So there's no need to gamble here, with so much uncertainty. Sure, you have a monster hand, but if you call and he has Aces, it's a waste. I would fold, not play a hand until I've observed the table - and definitely his play - and pick a better spot to get my money in. It's a tough decision, sure, and people will probably tell you to go with it, but personally, I would fold.
 
OK, well Hand 1:

He turns over 9-7 and Im broke, I couldnt believe it so I was asking him what made him play that hand as I said he was a tight player, he said he simply got bored...and it paid dividends.

Hand 2: I folded, and didnt ask what he had either, just stated I laid down a monster, pretty easy fold really I thought, I know theres a slgiht chance he has AA but why bother risking it, first hand and all.
 

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I think you would get some terse comments on many poker forums folding KK and folding without having some read that your opponent does indeed have AA. How many times out of 100 would you fold Kings to a strong raise? It's been known though, Phil Gordon folded Kings to Hellmuth's Aces when he had a read, and showed him. Hellmuth couldn't believe it.

Many players don't need Aces to make huge bets, then again if someone raises all in every time with Aces maybe they hope occasionally someone calls. Sure there are bankroll considerations, and the fact you just sat down, but I'm not sure you can afford to fold Kings very often. Then again, some sites seem to deal Aces and Kings on the same round more than probability dictates.

Then again, most of you guys are better holdem players than me so I defer.
 
Have had another thought. You're new to the table, you make a strong raise first hand, you don't have a read on him, but the converse is also true. Maybe the pot was already big enough for him and he was happy taking down a $12 pot. Unlikely, and the table banter seems to indicate otherwise, like he wanted that crying call. He was only concerned about your holding, what did he think you had? Maybe he thinks an $8 raise in late position with two limpers and the blinds yet to act is a steal attempt or a standard play with an above average hand, and he just wanted to scare you off.

So does an overly large raise always mean Aces? And while everyone will fold most times, does the one or two times someone does call makes such a large push justifiable? I'd say raising the max every time you get Aces is a stupid play, it's a missed opportunity and potentially lost revenue.
 
red+black said:
I'm not sure you can afford to fold Kings very often. Then again, some sites seem to deal Aces and Kings on the same round more than probability dictates.
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Never have folded KK pre-flop before...and it is PR were talking about, it happens alot.
 
So does an overly large raise always mean Aces? And while everyone will fold most times, does the one or two times someone does call makes such a large push justifiable? I'd say raising the max every time you get Aces is a stupid play, it's a missed opportunity and potentially lost revenue
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If you read my post, I mentioned this. It's part of my point that you cannot be 100% what he has. He could be tight and inexperienced, and he could be putting it all-in with Aces. I can't tell you how many times I have made a raise and had someone move all-in with Aces like they do on TV. And of course, I think the raise is fishy, and I call. And they have Aces. Of course, it's likely he doesn't have Aces, but my point is, it's too early right now to know how he's playing. That's why I will wait for the button and observe the table when I sit down.

As I said, a lot of people will say to call, but I will fold it. A lot of people will say you simply cannot fold K-K pre-flop, because it's a monster hand. It's not so much the hand I'm concerned about, it's the situation. And do I want to go broke with this hand after just sitting down (doesn't matter what hand it is, it can be outdrawn), or do I want to wait and be able to absolutely dominate the table twenty-thirty minutes later?

Poker is situational, and this is a tough situation. You, ideally, want to be in less situations that are tough. I'm folding here because I want to be in a dominating position later on, and be able to be 100% certain when I take their money. It's real easy to say, "I have Kings, I have to call", and find out you're up against Aces. It's easy to do that. But it takes a good player to fold, and wait for a better spot.

If this hand goes down twenty minutes later, and I've seen that this guy is a tight player - I fold. If I've seen him as an aggressive player - I beat him in the pot. It's not the hand I am concerned about here, it's the situation. And I want to wait for a better situation - and I want to be able to dominate.

But that's just my cash game theory. That's how I play. If you have money to gamble, go for it. You're most likely in front. But if I'm there for a while, and I want to protect my money, I'm waiting for a better spot. I'm wanting to be the aggressor - not the guy boxed in to a corner.
 
Not ****ing happy Jan. Playing a qualifier, remembering to wait for opportunities as I can sometimes be a little rash, get Aces in MP, bet 5xBB, BTN goes all in for about 1700, I've got him covered, folds around, I call, he shows Kings, and the ****ing door card is a King and I'm crippled. :mad:

Goes to show if you think someone has Aces, get them all in and suck out on them. Cracked Aces are a ****ing dime a dozen. :rolleyes:

Did manage to triple up but that's as good as it got.
 
I finally found the HH for PR, this was one I was proud of:

Hand 598123280, Started at 6/13/2006 7:42 PM
Table 'dthf90210´s HE': $0.25-$0.25 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: DoobleA ($21.40 in chips)
Seat 1: Mike Blue ($30.75 in chips)
Seat 4: anthmac ($56.95 in chips)
Seat 5: wuwut666 ($26.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Shakk_81 ($16.55 in chips) (on the button)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to DoobleA: Qh
Dealt to DoobleA: Kc
DoobleA : Post Blind ($0.15)
Mike Blue : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
anthmac : Call ($0.25)
wuwut666 : Call ($0.25)
Shakk_81 : Fold
DoobleA : Call ($0.10)
Mike Blue : Check
*** Flop *** : 8c Ac Qd
DoobleA : Bet ($0.40)
Mike Blue : Fold
anthmac : Raise ($1.50)
wuwut666 : Fold
DoobleA : Call ($1.10)
*** Turn *** : [ 8c Ac Qd ] 4s
DoobleA : Check
anthmac : Bet ($4)
DoobleA : Call ($4)
*** River *** : [ 8c Ac Qd 4s ] 3h
DoobleA : Check
anthmac : Bet ($10)
DoobleA : Call ($10)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $31.50 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 8c Ac Qd 4s 3h ]
DoobleA bet $15.75, collected $31.50, net $15.75 Shows [ Qh Kc ] (a pair of Queens)
Mike Blue lost $0.25
anthmac lost $15.75 Shows [ 10h Jh ] (a Ace high)
wuwut666 lost $0.25
Shakk_81 lost $0
 
Or these two which happened back to back:

Hand 612804183, Started at 6/17/2006 2:40 PM
Table 'SaSa3´s HE': $0.25-$0.25 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: Sjeff2224 ($20.60 in chips)
Seat 2: DRican ($36.60 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 3: ztax ($9.45 in chips)
Seat 4: DoobleA ($5 in chips)
Seat 7: GEMINI060 ($15.15 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to DoobleA: 7h
Dealt to DoobleA: 7d
ztax : Post Blind ($0.15)
DoobleA : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
GEMINI060 : Fold
Sjeff2224 : Bet ($1.50)
DRican : Fold
ztax : Call ($1.35)
DoobleA : Call ($1.25)
*** Flop *** : 10d 2c 3h
ztax : Check
DoobleA : Bet ($3.50)
DoobleA : All In
Sjeff2224 : Fold
ztax : Call ($3.50)
*** Turn *** : [ 10d 2c 3h ] Kh
*** River *** : [ 10d 2c 3h Kh ] Qs
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $11 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 10d 2c 3h Kh Qs ]
Sjeff2224 lost $1.50
DRican lost $0
ztax lost $5 Shows [ 6h 6c ] (a pair of sixes)
DoobleA bet $5, collected $11, net $6 Shows [ 7h 7d ] (a pair of sevens)
GEMINI060 lost $0

Hand 612806188, Started at 6/17/2006 2:41 PM
Table 'SaSa3´s HE': $0.25-$0.25 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: Sjeff2224 ($19.10 in chips)
Seat 2: DRican ($36.60 in chips)
Seat 3: ztax ($4.45 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 4: DoobleA ($11 in chips)
Seat 7: GEMINI060 ($15.15 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to DoobleA: 4h
Dealt to DoobleA: 5c
DoobleA : Post Blind ($0.15)
GEMINI060 : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
Sjeff2224 : Call ($0.25)
DRican : Call ($0.25)
ztax : Call ($0.25)
DoobleA : Call ($0.10)
GEMINI060 : Check
*** Flop *** : 5s 9d 3h
DoobleA : Check
GEMINI060 : Check
Sjeff2224 : Check
DRican : Check
ztax : Check
*** Turn *** : [ 5s 9d 3h ] 4d
DoobleA : Bet ($0.60)
GEMINI060 : Fold
Sjeff2224 : Call ($0.60)
DRican : Call ($0.60)
ztax : Fold
*** River *** : [ 5s 9d 3h 4d ] 4s
DoobleA : Bet ($3)
Sjeff2224 : Fold
DRican : Raise ($6)
DoobleA : Raise ($7.15)
DoobleA : All In
DRican : Call ($4.15)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $22.85 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 5s 9d 3h 4d 4s ]
Sjeff2224 lost $0.85
DRican lost $11 Shows [ 2d Ac ] (a straight, five high)
ztax lost $0.25
DoobleA bet $11, collected $22.85, net $11.85 Shows [ 4h 5c ] (a full house, fours full of fives)
GEMINI060 lost $0.25
 
DoubleA said:
I finally found the HH for PR, this was one I was proud of:

Hand 598123280, Started at 6/13/2006 7:42 PM
Table 'dthf90210´s HE': $0.25-$0.25 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: DoobleA ($21.40 in chips)
Seat 1: Mike Blue ($30.75 in chips)
Seat 4: anthmac ($56.95 in chips)
Seat 5: wuwut666 ($26.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Shakk_81 ($16.55 in chips) (on the button)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to DoobleA: Qh
Dealt to DoobleA: Kc
DoobleA : Post Blind ($0.15)
Mike Blue : Post Blind ($0.25)
*** Pre-Flop *** :
anthmac : Call ($0.25)
wuwut666 : Call ($0.25)
Shakk_81 : Fold
DoobleA : Call ($0.10)
Mike Blue : Check
*** Flop *** : 8c Ac Qd
DoobleA : Bet ($0.40)
Mike Blue : Fold
anthmac : Raise ($1.50)
wuwut666 : Fold
DoobleA : Call ($1.10)
*** Turn *** : [ 8c Ac Qd ] 4s
DoobleA : Check
anthmac : Bet ($4)
DoobleA : Call ($4)
*** River *** : [ 8c Ac Qd 4s ] 3h
DoobleA : Check
anthmac : Bet ($10)
DoobleA : Call ($10)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $31.50 | Rake: $0.50
Board: [ 8c Ac Qd 4s 3h ]
DoobleA bet $15.75, collected $31.50, net $15.75 Shows [ Qh Kc ] (a pair of Queens)
Mike Blue lost $0.25
anthmac lost $15.75 Shows [ 10h Jh ] (a Ace high)
wuwut666 lost $0.25
Shakk_81 lost $0
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The Ace on the flop didn't bother you at all?
 
Ricketts said:
The Ace on the flop didn't bother you at all?
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Thats the thing, it did bother me as you can tell by my check on the river, but I'd been playing with that guy for a while, and realised he bluffed a bit, then that last bet of his (basically putting me all in) just didnt seem right, so I felt I had the best hand, and thats why I was happy the hand.
 
Also, it's a shorthanded game, and nobody raised. Usually people raise any ace in a shorthanded game. But that comes down to knowing your opponent.
 
:thumbsu: Sat down at a new table and got dealt this first hand.

:eek: How's the flop

Omaha Hi $1-$1 PL (real money), hand #620,949,565
Table Chula Vista, 19 Jun 2006 10:06 PM
View Previous | Next hand for this table.
Seat 1: Tomiliaano ($235 in chips)
Seat 2: mittie27 ($80.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Falchoon [AS,KH,8H,AC] ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: POOWITHU ($68 in chips)
Seat 6: channoine1 ($53.60 in chips)
Seat 7: ivmartin ($41 in chips)
Seat 8: badboyblazer ($30 in chips)
Seat 9: Taas_Osu_LoL ($72.10 in chips)
Seat 10: TryHardrDonk ($338.45 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
channoine1 posts blind ($1), ivmartin posts blind ($1), Falchoon posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
badboyblazer calls $1, Taas_Osu_LoL calls $1, TryHardrDonk calls $1, Tomiliaano calls $1, mittie27 folds, Falchoon checks, POOWITHU folds, channoine1 checks, ivmartin checks.

FLOP [board cards 3C,AH,4H ]
channoine1 checks, ivmartin checks, badboyblazer bets $7, Taas_Osu_LoL folds, TryHardrDonk folds, Tomiliaano calls $7, Falchoon bets $35, channoine1 folds, ivmartin folds, badboyblazer calls $22 and is all-in, Tomiliaano calls $28.

TURN [board cards 3C,AH,4H,2H ]
Tomiliaano checks, Falchoon bets $64 and is all-in, Tomiliaano calls $64.

RIVER [board cards 3C,AH,4H,2H,3H ]


SHOWDOWN
Falchoon shows [ AS,KH,8H,AC ]
badboyblazer shows [ 4S,3D,6C,5D ]
Tomiliaano shows [ 4D,5S,7C,4C ]
Falchoon wins $140, Falchoon wins $92.
SUMMARY
Dealer: POOWITHU
Pot: $234, (including rake: $2)
Tomiliaano, loses $100
mittie27, loses $0
Falchoon, bets $100, collects $232, net $132
POOWITHU, loses $0
channoine1, loses $1
ivmartin, loses $1
badboyblazer, loses $30
Taas_Osu_LoL, loses $1
TryHardrDonk, loses $1

Tomilaano about 5 hands later bets me off a pot holding KK on a 784 flop.

He wins with K's and 4's against my folded A's :(

Edit Just got him, me slow playing 3 Q's
 
Falchoon said:
:thumbsu: Sat down at a new table and got dealt this first hand.

:eek: How's the flop
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Damn, I wish I could get that sort of action in my first hands. What I cant believe is that none of those guys had a flush, well bar you.
 
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