Training Pre-Season 2023 (First game 18/3 v North)

[The wily weagle]

"Injury cloud"
"Managed"
"Modified pre season"
"Cautious approach"

The more things change, the more they stay the same......

Now all we need is the resumption of our mystery midweek training injuries where someone stubs their toe and misses two months, and the status quo will be well and truly in full effect.......

 

[RanaNaved]

Why are people getting so dramatic over such a nothing article? It was written by a lady who would write a piece if she spotted someone sporting a band-aid

 

[RanaNaved]

Given how injury prone he has already been pre/post draft, I fully expect Chesser to be a bust pick and have low expectations of him making it. But unlike Venables there will have been a heap of better options we should have taken instead.

More melodrama from you

 

[Bender_]

Purely speculation the new pardon the intrusion.

 

[FKASC]

More melodrama from you

You love it

 

[Keys]

I think this is way off the mark. Hobbs went at pick 13. There’s no way bombers would get that now for him after what he’s produced so far. Just like if we had drafted him, we wouldn’t be getting a first round pick back for him if he’d requested a trade home which was all the talk at the time of the draft (Hobbs wanting to stay in Vic)

I swear people have some damn short memories and are WAY too short sighted. It’s basically been 12 months since we drafted Chesser. All these negative people need to take a step back and give him some time. Eagles recruiting for the most part over the years is a lot better than they get credit for

Since Simpson arrived, so every draft from 2014 onwards

2014 :
Duggan (11)
Gone - Lamb (32), Nelson (51), Cavka (66), A Waterman (76)

2015 :
Traded R1 pick (17) for Redden
Cole (36)
Gone - Partington (28), Mutimer (57), M Allen (62)

2016 :
Rotham (37), J Waterman (77)
Gone - Venables (13), Rioli (52)

2017 :
O Allen (21), Ryan (26), Petruccelle (38)
Gone - Brander (13), Ainsworth (32), Brayshaw (68)

2018 :
Traded R1 pick (18) for picks we used on Allen, Ryan and Petch in 2017
O’Neill (28), Foley (31), B Williams (35), H Edwards (RD)
Gone - Cameron (39)

2019 :
Traded 14,24,33, F1 for Kelly
Jamieson (49)
Gone - Johnson (58)

2020 :
L Edwards (52), Winder (57), Trew (RD)

From 7 years of drafting we have Duggan, Cole, Rotham, Waterman, Allen, Ryan, Petruccelle, O’Neill, Foley, BWilliams, HEdwards, Jamieson, LEdwards, Winder and Trew. Only Duggan, Cole, Allen and Ryan would be considered definitive best 22

Redden was a good trade and we still have Kelly. The only player traded in during that time still at the club is Witherden who is fringe and may not survive this year. Jones was a SSP selection

It’s a combination of high finishes (hence no low draft picks), an expensive trade (Kelly), two ultimately wasted R1 picks (Brander and Venables which admittedly was bad luck), some questionable 2nd round picks and an inability to unearth much of note with later picks. But the result isn’t a great haul and goes someway towards explaining why we’re in the midst of a significant rebuild.

At best, our recruiting from 2014-20 was indifferent

Lingering questions on Chesser notwithstanding, our last two drafts look very encouraging however.

 

[JDWCE]

Since Simpson arrived, so every draft from 2014 onwards

2014 :
Duggan (11)
Gone - Lamb (32), Nelson (51), Cavka (66), A Waterman (76)

2015 :
Traded R1 pick (17) for Redden
Cole (36)
Gone - Partington (28), Mutimer (57), M Allen (62)

2016 :
Rotham (37), J Waterman (77)
Gone - Venables (13), Rioli (52)

2017 :
O Allen (21), Ryan (26), Petruccelle (38)
Gone - Brander (13), Ainsworth (32), Brayshaw (68)

2018 :
Traded F1 pick (18) for picks we used on Allen, Ryan and Petch in 2017
O’Neill (28), Foley (31), B Williams (35), H Edwards (RD)
Gone - Cameron (39)

2019 :
Traded 14,24,33, F1 for Kelly
Jamieson (49)
Gone - Johnson (58)

2020 :
L Edwards (52), Winder (57), Trew (RD)

From 7 years of drafting we have Duggan, Cole, Rotham, Waterman, Allen, Ryan, Petruccelle, O’Neill, Foley, BWilliams, HEdwards, Jamieson, LEdwards, Winder and Trew. Only Duggan, Cole, Allen and Ryan would be considered definitive best 22

Redden was a good trade and we still have Kelly. The only player traded in during that time is Witherden who is fringe and may not survive this year. Jones was a SSP selection

It’s a combination of high finishes (hence no low draft picks), an expensive trade (Kelly), two ultimately wasted R1 picks (Brander and Venables which admittedly was bad luck), some questionable 2nd round picks and an inability to unearth much of note with later picks. But the result isn’t a great haul and goes someway towards explaining why we’re in the midst of a significant rebuild.

At best, our recruiting from 2014-20 was indifferent

Lingering questions on Chesser notwithstanding, our last two drafts look very encouraging however.

My main point was we are never going to get a better pick for a Vic draftee requesting a trade home within a year or two of their services. You only have to look at JHF recently to see that it doesn’t work that way.

And yes we’ve certainly had some misses but you could run something similar for most other teams and the end wash would come out the same. Definitely been some blunders in there though

 

[WCErevival]

With the midseason drafts now you can restock quicker.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

Yeah, XON is up against it. I don't think he'll make it either. Has bugger all meaningful impact on/in games

Def XON's last chance this season before our draftees go ahead of him.

 

[KERRPOW]

XON has been on the list for a while now. I think he needs to be able to command a spot in the 22 on merit by the end of this year (as opposed to being given a game to try and accelerate development) or there might need to be a black texta put through his name.

Not sure why people are so quick to bag the likes of Waterman and Winder but give XON a free pass for being a very slow developer.

Is say is because XON being delisted at the end of the year is fate acomplii.

With kennedy retiring there is a chance of waterman stepping up. But he is basically the B grader playing a spot until a better player comes along.

Winder is only 20?

 

[RanaNaved]

You love it

If he has another year like last year, I might join you.

I've been to training and he looked fine, so unless something happened over Christmas, I'm putting this down as click bait.

 

[Keys]

My main point was we are never going to get a better pick for a Vic draftee requesting a trade home within a year or two of their services. You only have to look at JHF recently to see that it doesn’t work that way.

And yes we’ve certainly had some misses but you could run something similar for most other teams and the end wash would come out the same. Definitely been some blunders in there though

We were right to overlook Hobbs

And I’m not writing Chesser off yet either. There’s a pretty exciting player there I believe when/if he gets over his ankle injury and from the outside we have no idea how that recovery is going. I will say that pre-Christmas there were no signs he was struggling even if he was sitting out the contact drills

Maybe, the club is being overly cautious keeping him out of contact drills or maybe he’s having trouble escalating his training. It was and has been described as a 12 month injury so for now I’m not throwing toys out of the cot

 

[Keys]

Why are people getting so dramatic over such a nothing article? It was written by a lady who would write a piece if she spotted someone sporting a band-aid

Won’t lie, I wasn’t worried by the article until nameless posted and a little panic attack rippled through me

I’d love the club to come out and either confirm he’s had a setback if that’s the case or give an assurance that he’s tracking as planned

Doubt we’ll see either though

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Won’t lie, I wasn’t worried by the article until nameless posted and a little panic attack rippled through me

Same boat here, if chesser could get through 12 months of uninterrupted successful WAFL football building to be able to have a full preseason for 2024 I’d be very content. The media fluff up around him being an eagles top pick so there being Judd like expectations for a guy that was taken at pick 14.

If the ankle is more sinister than thought the board is going to have to come to terms with the arguments between the unrelated accident impacting a career crowd vs consistently injured player consistently injured crowd.

 

[The wily weagle]

With all due respect, how can anyone classify Chesser as an "exciting player"?

He was last sighted playing a couple of games against kids, literally years ago, and hasn't played at any level since

I would be content at this point to see him play at any level, which isn't necessarily a given either

 

[Shueygod]

We honestly must have the most negative board on here, apparently our unproven draft pick is a lock to be a bust while all the other options will be stars.

A freak injury does not take away all his potential, he’s an explosive athlete who can dispose the ball well.

Kid was regarded a top 10 pick last time he was fit, a couple of freak injuries do not take away his potential.

 

[Shueygod]

Especially since he clearly is still putting in the work to have that kind of rig.

 

[squashface]

Shuey spent the better part of his first 2 years at the club injured and he is now a Norm Smith medalist and Captain of the club.

Just because a draftee has injury problems their first few years it does not always mean they are a bust.

Give Chesser time to get his body right, if that means the slowest of burns to get into competitive training and games then so be it.

 

[FKASC]

It’s basically been 12 months since we drafted Chesser. All these negative people need to take a step back and give him some time. Eagles recruiting for the most part over the years is a lot better than they get credit for

it’s not just the ankle, more the fact he has hardly played any footy since he was 15.

80 NAB League disposals between 2019-2021. 0 disposals in 2022.

 

[Keys]

My boy Samo getting his hair ready for a Brownlow vote catching season

 

[Shueygod]

it’s not just the ankle, more the fact he has hardly played any footy since he was 15.

80 NAB League disposals between 2019-2021. 0 disposals in 2022

He’s big, lightning quick, a good kick and you’d rather malnourished manlet Hobbs?

Maybe if you want the vanilla pick that’s most likely to be a role player but Chesser will be elite if he gets on the park.

 

[Barrybran]

Michael Voss won three premierships, three AA jumpers and two B & F's after breaking a leg. Chesser will be OK.

 

[Nuffington Post]

My boy Samo getting his hair ready for a Brownlow vote catching season

Needs a BIG season this year - otherwise hard to see him getting another contract.


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[DanWCE]

Give Chesser time to get his body right

His body looks pretty good to me

 

[RanaNaved]

it’s not just the ankle, more the fact he has hardly played any footy since he was 15.

80 NAB League disposals between 2019-2021. 0 disposals in 2022.

In the NAB league across 2020/21 he played 2 less games than Daicos and Sinn, and three less games than Hobbs.

2019 they were all double bottom-agers' so I'm not counting that year. Doubt many of them played a lot though