Training Pre-Season 2023 (First game 18/3 v North)

[Carbine Chaos]

A lot of people seem to prefer Jamo to Williams, but to me he's more a second ruck but doesn't contribute enough forward to play that role effectively.

You could make the same case for Williams, but I feel Bailey has the scope to do it better.

Jamo looked good around the ground but I also question whether he'll be good enough in the ruck to make it at this level at all.

Ideally we'd have convinced Meek to come here, as I feel he could have been an effective Number 1 post Naitanui, with Barnett developing behind him ready to take the mantle eventually. Shame that was never really on the table.

 

[WCErevival]

I'm just not sure I see a solid starting ruckman at any stage in Bailey Williams position. Footy IQ is one of those things along with kicking that is very hard to teach. I would suggest Petch is in a very similar position to Bailey Williams however he is playing a much easier role on the field, isn't undersized and is able to use his athletic gifts on field.

I was stoked when we drafted williams but i was hoping he would grow to 202cm or so and improve his goal kicking. His lack of footy IQ wasn't quite as distinct as a junior. I hope it comes together for him but I have serious concerns. If you could put Jamiesons mind into Williams body you wouldn't have a top 2-3 ruck in the league but you'd have a guy that is just a tier below that and can dominate around the ground. I really hope Jamiesons progression continues as whilst beginning and coming from a much lower level he looks much more like a football player than Williams. Again he is undersized and doesn't have Williams athletic gifts but he's no slouch and could make a great second ruck who can also play key back.

Our other real second ruck option is purely due to Height in Edwards and while he has been groomed to be a Key Defender with his height now I just wonder if the club sees any hope in his ability to learn ruck craft as he could be that solid number 1 ruck. It might not happen till he's 26-28 but he's certainly the right size and is good around the ground whilst a little lacking athletically as a key back.

Does 1cm really matter?

 

[Cuzz09]

Barnett seems like a less robotic Lycett.

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[RanaNaved]

Does 1cm really matter?

Not in football. Toby Nankervis 199, Rhys Stanley 200. Recent premiership rucks who aren't very tall.

 

[RanaNaved]

Duane Massey is now the national recruiting manager

 

[Dark Sharks]

And Toddy is now the CEO?

 

[Monocle]

Rowan Marshall has always had a decent contested game and a better footy IQ imo. Also being an undersized version of Rowan Marshall is not the level or Ruckman i'd be hoping for. Unless it's going to be a 2019 level form version of Rowan Marshall for the next 10 years. In saying that Marshall had some genuinely good games last year.

As a club we have been very blessed for rucks since Gardiner

Sort of related, but speaking of all things ruckmen ..... WCE_phil how do you rate Barnett and his chances of making it at the AFL level.

I am interested in yours first. I think HB can play in multiple positions at the next level.

 

[Schofields_Lanyard]

And Toddy is now the CEO?

Not yet, dad says I'm not allowed to be CEO until I stop calling out for a glass of water during the night for a whole week. My record is 2 nights so far.

 

[RanaNaved]

Sort of related, but speaking of all things ruckmen ..... WCE_phil how do you rate Barnett and his chances of making it at the AFL level.

I am interested in yours first. I think HB can play in multiple positions at the next level.

Bear in mind the guy you're asking thought Broadbent was the 2nd coming at one stage

 

[Cuzz09]

I'm probably in the minority but I don't think rucks are super important.

I'd rather have a gun midfield and a big Boy McEvoy, Lycett, Clark Keating, Mummy type over a decent midfield with the best ruck.

A good backline will cover a so so ruck too

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[Keys]

Duane Massey is now the national recruiting manager

Link?

 

[shooshka]

I'm probably in the minority but I don't think rucks are super important.

I'd rather have a gun midfield and a big Boy McEvoy, Lycett, Clark Keating, Mummy type over a decent midfield with the best ruck.

A good backline will cover a so so ruck too

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I disagree somewhat, and agree somewhat.

Sure an elite ruck (NN, Gawn, Grundy etc) is neither here nor there in regards to winning a premiership (it doesn't hurt, but is less important that having an elite key forward, an elite mid and at least 1 elite backman).

But also if you have a ruckman who is in the worst half of the league (i.e. in the 10-20th range of best ruck in the league - assuming at stages some teams have 2 in the top 10 ala Melbourne currently) then it does have a huge negative impact on performance.

So I would say rucks are super important, but the 'return on investment' decreases the further you get from middle-of-the-road towards one of the better rucks in the league. I think what we have seen from Grundy also is that paying a ruck as one of your top few highest players can be a recipe for disaster.

 

[Shueygod]

Cannot understand Jamie over Williams, Williams had a far better year and they’re practically the same age.

 

[Shueygod]

I disagree somewhat, and agree somewhat.

Sure an elite ruck (NN, Gawn, Grundy etc) is neither here nor there in regards to winning a premiership (it doesn't hurt, but is less important that having an elite key forward, an elite mid and at least 1 elite backman).

But also if you have a ruckman who is in the worst half of the league (i.e. in the 10-20th range of best ruck in the league - assuming at stages some teams have 2 in the top 10 ala Melbourne currently) then it does have a huge negative impact on performance.

So I would say rucks are super important, but the 'return on investment' decreases the further you get from middle-of-the-road towards one of the better rucks in the league. I think what we have seen from Grundy also is that paying a ruck as one of your top few highest players can be a recipe for disaster.

Stanley is definitely a bottom 10 ruck in the league.

 

[WCErevival]

 

[bh90210fan]

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Oh Dear, Dom’s in a fair bit of trouble in that one.

Who’s the fella just poking his nose into the frame?

 

[Dark Sharks]

Some things are just better than others

 

[VicBased]

Oh Dear, Dom’s in a fair bit of trouble in that one.

Who’s the fella just poking his nose into the frame?

Dewar?

 

[MIKE85]

Yeo definitely not looking fat in that one. Sheed looks a little bigger than previous years as well. He seemed really skinny the last few years

 

[FKASC]

Barnett seems like a less robotic Lycett.

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Agreed

 

[Cuzz09]

Sheed looks good. All do

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[bh90210fan]

Dewar?

Doesn’t really look Dewar to me. Looks too old to be one of the new kids.

 

[Dark Sharks]

I do believe it's a WAFL top up/train on.

 

[Doashuey]

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Thoughts and prayers going out to you Dom.

 

[RanaNaved]

Doesn’t really look Dewar to me. Looks too old to be one of the new kids.

It's a WAFL Eagle I'd say