Preview Preliminary Final: Collingwood v GWS, MCG 22 September, 7.50pm

[Scodog10]

That Daniel Hoyne what an absolute squib hand picks his CD stats I remember when he put dusty in his AA team and a caller asked him how he has NO defence to his game Hoyne said we don’t rate defence it’s more ball winning and what you can do with the ball in hand next thing he says is Mason wood on the wing over Josh Daicos because he has better defence he hand picks his stats to show HIS OWN point he is a gooseneck

That one’s straight forward. Martin would be classed as a general forward by CD and the defence weighting for a general forward would be limited. Wood and Daicos would be classed as wingers by CD and the defence weighting for wingman would be statistically significant.

There’s no bias there against Collingwood and the only bias would be in the statistical areas they choose to be significant for each role. For instance metres gained for wingman to me is significant, but if they weren’t including that with a heavy weighting in their player ratings that’s a bias against high metres gained wingman. Instead of high metres gained Collingwood wingers…

FWIW Martin was stitched up! How he missed out on a AA blazer behind Serong and Merrett is beyond me…

 

[sr36]

I'd start Howe forward and a ruck as sub against GWS. I don't think the coaches will though.

 

[Scodog10]

I'd start Howe forward and a ruck as sub against GWS. I don't think the coaches will though.

I think it’s manageable, but Howe forward puts pressure on Maynard to go with Keeffe and the domino effect of that move is what concerns me. It’s a big tick to a ruck as sub from me especially with Briggs under an injury cloud (he’ll play, but won’t be 100%).

 

[Jen2310]

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[TheGreatGrundy]

Thanks. I got a lot of pull around here huh? I did say "I think"

Just engaging in some light hearted nonsense to relieve the tension of the build up to the game.

 

[Jen2310]

I'd start Howe forward and a ruck as sub against GWS. I don't think the coaches will though.

I read that as “I’d start Howe forward and ruck” and here I’m thinking— well that’s different


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[sr36]

I think it’s manageable, but Howe forward puts pressure on Maynard to go with Keeffe and the domino effect of that move is what concerns me. It’s a big tick to a ruck as sub from me especially with Briggs under an injury cloud (he’ll play, but won’t be 100%).

I'd just play WHE on Keeffe. If they want to try to isolate that match up and play through Keeffe - great. Plus it'd encourage them to play him forward for extra minutes, which I think suits us.

 

[Scodog10]

I'd just play WHE or Markov on Keeffe. If they want to try to isolate that match up and play through Keeffe - great.

Setting aside team defence blah blah blah I felt like they’d be more suited to Daniels and Bedford. My assumption is also that you would use Naicos through the middle?

FWIW Naicos back with one of those two to Keeffe can definitely work it’s just not how I’d structure up with the team I think they’ll pick. I’d go Noble>Ginnivan if Howe is forward. I don’t really see the need for Ginnivan in that scenario as much as I do with Noble.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

It oddly feels like there's barely any discussion around the fact that the rested top of the ladder side with basically no injuries is going into a Prelim gaining the best player in the comp into their side

 

[DopeMaster]

torn on GinniPig as sub - type of player who could kick 3 in a quarter and light up a final - but again, not sure how you get him in, aside from one of hill/McCreery pushing higher in olace of lippa, then Ginnivan playing closer to goal.

I’d probs push McCreery higher into Lippas high half forward role, cause he’s not a natural goal kicker, and would put him in space running back to goal a bit more often. Then plonk Ginnivan in McCreerys pocket

Then noble as sub as his pace / running power late in a game would make a difference I reckon.

I doubt they do this for the record, just my opinion on ohr most dangerous configuration.

I’d also probs start Daics jnr in the backline - no coincidence our transition hasn’t looked quite as good with him in midfield/injured. Then push him higher as the game wears on. He’s susceptible to hard tags as a mid but basically impervious out of the backline.

In: Daicos, Ginnivan, Noble (sub)
out: Adams, Lipinski

 

[Scodog10]

It oddly feels like there's barely any discussion around the fact that the rested top of the ladder side with basically no injuries is going into a Prelim gaining the best player in the comp into their side

Have you been living under a rock the past 3 weeks? I feel like Josh has been asked how Nick’s going multiple times at every press appearance he’s done the past month (he’s been put up a lot in Nick’s absence). I also don’t think there’s much juice in the other story because it’s not as glamorous as the cinderella Giants.

 

[sr36]

Setting aside team defence blah blah blah I felt like they’d be more suited to Daniels and Bedford. My assumption is also that you would use Naicos through the middle?

FWIW Naicos back with one of those two to Keeffe can definitely work it’s just not how I’d structure up with the team I think they’ll pick. I’d go Noble>Ginnivan if Howe is forward. I don’t really see the need for Ginnivan in that scenario as much as I do with Noble.

I view it as a 5 man defence with the 6th pushing up into the midfield. So 6 - Moore, Murphy, Markov, IQ, WHE and Maynard to cover the 5 defensive roles (Moore and Murphy often play the whole game) and Nick and Crisp switching between the guy who pushes into the midfield from defence and genuine midfield.

 

[Kirby]

torn on GinniPig as sub - type of player who could kick 3 in a quarter and light up a final - but again, not sure how you get him in, aside from one of hill/McCreery pushing higher in olace of lippa, then Ginnivan playing closer to goal.

I’d probs push McCreery higher into Lippas high half forward role, cause he’s not a natural goal kicker, and would put him in space running back to goal a bit more often. Then plonk Ginnivan in McCreerys pocket

Then noble as sub as his pace / running power late in a game would make a difference I reckon.

I doubt they do this for the record, just my opinion on ohr most dangerous configuration.

I’d also probs start Daics jnr in the backline - no coincidence our transition hasn’t looked quite as good with him in midfield/injured. Then push him higher as the game wears on. He’s susceptible to hard tags as a mid but basically impervious out of the backline.

In: Daicos, Noble (sub)
out: Adams, Lipinski

The sub question is definitely Ginni v Noble by what Fly said.

Ginni as sub is an attacking/offense driven choice and Noble as sub would be more a conservative/defensive backup choice.

It will be interesting to see which way they go.

 

[Johno9911]

torn on GinniPig as sub - type of player who could kick 3 in a quarter and light up a final - but again, not sure how you get him in, aside from one of hill/McCreery pushing higher in olace of lippa, then Ginnivan playing closer to goal.

I’d probs push McCreery higher into Lippas high half forward role, cause he’s not a natural goal kicker, and would put him in space running back to goal a bit more often. Then plonk Ginnivan in McCreerys pocket

Then noble as sub as his pace / running power late in a game would make a difference I reckon.

I doubt they do this for the record, just my opinion on ohr most dangerous configuration.

I’d also probs start Daics jnr in the backline - no coincidence our transition hasn’t looked quite as good with him in midfield/injured. Then push him higher as the game wears on. He’s susceptible to hard tags as a mid but basically impervious out of the backline.

In: Daicos, Noble (sub)
out: Adams, Lipinski

I really like this and would be what I would go with personally.

Ginni in as a natural forward - that provides energy and spark i50 which is a weapon few clubs have at their disposal. Allows Beau/Hill up the ground a bit more to add more speed and dare, which we need against the fast pace giants and change the forward entry and cut off Taylor's access to predictable intercept marks.

Noble coming on late against the hard running and fast Giants, to give us some fresh legs would also be a great plan imho.

 

[RobJD]

torn on GinniPig as sub - type of player who could kick 3 in a quarter and light up a final - but again, not sure how you get him in, aside from one of hill/McCreery pushing higher in olace of lippa, then Ginnivan playing closer to goal.

I’d probs push McCreery higher into Lippas high half forward role, cause he’s not a natural goal kicker, and would put him in space running back to goal a bit more often. Then plonk Ginnivan in McCreerys pocket

Then noble as sub as his pace / running power late in a game would make a difference I reckon.

I doubt they do this for the record, just my opinion on ohr most dangerous configuration.

I’d also probs start Daics jnr in the backline - no coincidence our transition hasn’t looked quite as good with him in midfield/injured. Then push him higher as the game wears on. He’s susceptible to hard tags as a mid but basically impervious out of the backline.

In: Daicos, Noble (sub)
out: Adams, Lipinski

The decision on our sub is interesting - not sure we need Ginni as the offensive option as it appears we've got them covered for goal kicking potential - especially if fatigue is likely to set in as a result of the Giant's heavy load over the past 3 games - it might boil down to a decision for more defensive run (Nobes), height (Frampton) or to mitigate the loss of a key capability (e.g., MacRae as an inside mid).

 

[cfc19902010]

I’d prefer to have noble as sub and Ginny in the team and lipinski out

 

[danielnajdek]

Funny how the whole "Collingwood and Melbourne have the easy side of the draw" narrative has been thrown out.

 

[magpienato]

Genuinely curious as to how people are arriving at the conclusion to drop Lipinski? Sure he's by no means a high-impact player, but that's not really his role in this team. He's a connector much the same as WHE is. Not invaluable, but I think people would find out very quickly how important he is to the structure of our team if he was dropped.

 

[RobJD]

I’d prefer to have noble as sub and Ginny in the team and lipinski out

I think we beat GWS 4 times out of 5 in the current scenario - the key influencing factor that will result in a GWS win is the in-game loss of one of our key or significant players. For this reason, I'd choose a sub that will allow us to mitigate the loss of our most significant key player. I see the in-game loss of Titch as a key risk - for that reason, it would be MacRae as sub - not because he is in our best 23, but because he is best equipped to cover for the loss of our only pure inside mid.

 

[Kirby]

Funny how the whole "Collingwood and Melbourne have the easy side of the draw" narrative has been thrown out.

It's because Carlton have made it through to play Brissy up there and everyone except for the deluded Carlton folk expect them to get flogged.

On the other hand, our game is seen as a bit more even so they are talking it up more. Talking up GWS whips up even more interest as the majority of neutrals would love to see them beat us.

 

[DopeMaster]

Genuinely curious as to how people are arriving at the conclusion to drop Lipinski? Sure he's by no means a high-impact player, but that's not really his role in this team. He's a connector much the same as WHE is. Not invaluable, but I think people would find out very quickly how important he is to the structure of our team if he was dropped.

My take a few posts up is why I’d have him out. I think McReery could do his role but with more damage, and allow us another forward (Ginni) that’s capable of a bag.

I also think Lipinski lacks finals intensity and shit the bed on more than one occasion vs Melbourne.

 

[Scodog10]

I view it as a 5 man defence with the 6th pushing up into the midfield. So 6 - Moore, Murphy, Markov, IQ, WHE and Maynard to cover the 5 defensive roles (Moore and Murphy often play the whole game) and Nick and Crisp switching between the guy who pushes into the midfield from defence and genuine midfield.

I get that angle I’m just not convinced it’s the best option with their clearance game. I think the talents there to have even numbers behind the ball, but I can’t see us holding that 6th at the contest. I think they’re more likely to let whoever it is out of Bedford and Daniels roll up then we hold the outnumber in our back half absorbing their forward movement. Again with Noble in the mix it works, IMO, but with the current 23 I don’t see it.

 

[YouBeauty]

Funny how the whole "Collingwood and Melbourne have the easy side of the draw" narrative has been thrown out.

Media need to talk up and hope for at least 1 close prelim. They basically have conceded Brisbane win by heaps. But we have poor form

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Genuinely curious as to how people are arriving at the conclusion to drop Lipinski? Sure he's by no means a high-impact player, but that's not really his role in this team. He's a connector much the same as WHE is. Not invaluable, but I think people would find out very quickly how important he is to the structure of our team if he was dropped.

We need to be very selective with our kicks I50 so Lipinski adds a lot in that sense, as does Sidebottom, De Goey, Hill, Nick Daicos, Josh Daicos, WHE, Pendles etc. . Indiscriminate bombing I50 such as Melbourne and Port have been doing recently will result in us getting knocked out in a Prelim.

 

[Exambolor]

Just realised our 2012 membership slogan sums up the atmosphere for Friday night perfectly.