Review R20: The Good, Bad and Ugly vs. Hawthorn

[GreyCrow]

Buckley on the couch last night was talking about how playing young kids before they are ready is a huge mistake. Was an interesting listen.

When is ready?

Not a troll but it's the eternal question

Was Harley ready?

 

[King Elvis]

Buckley on the couch last night was talking about how playing young kids before they are ready is a huge mistake. Was an interesting listen.

Wasn't that in the context of key position players, where physical size and strength is crucial?

 

[jenny61_99]

Wasn't that in the context of key position players, where physical size and strength is crucial?

He said "The worst thing for you to do as a coach is to push them up before they are ready, before they are mature. I mean emotionally, let alone physically.". JB was talking about forwards and ruckmen taking longer, but Bucks was talking about kids in general. He also said the same thing in 2021. He said then " 'Play the kids' is a common refrain at the moment. If I was sitting with my grandpa back in the day, he'd yell "just kick it" and "play the kids" makes about as much sense as that. If they're ready, they'll play".

 

[CrowBloke]

If they're ready, they'll play".

I like and respect Buckley. He has calm and common sense, usually, but that last makes no sense.

"Don't play the kids before they're ready because if they're ready, they'll play".
Uhhhh ... what?

Did he say what "not ready" and "ready" actually are?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

In a perfect world, kids would only play when they're ready.

And when they're ready, they'd get picked.

Ours seem to have to serve an extra half season or longer apprenticeship while the preferred guys exhaust every opportunity and role change to try to find a position for them.

Then an injury occurs and Hey presto the kids are ready now.

We're often lower down the average games played list than we are the average age list. In a rebuild you'd think it would be the opposite.

Buckley is envisaging a world where a draftee comes in, takes time to find his feet, banks a preseason or two, grows in confidence, starts producing in the reserves, then is promoted to league level. Ours follow that process except for the last step.

 

[FR0GGY]

No one is ready to play.
Bit like having kids, no one is ready, there’s plenty of learning on the job to be done.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

No one is ready to play.
Bit like having kids, no one is ready, there’s plenty of learning on the job to be done.

 

[Scorpus]

In a perfect world, kids would only play when they're ready.

And when they're ready, they'd get picked.

Ours seem to have to serve an extra half season or longer apprenticeship while the preferred guys exhaust every opportunity and role change to try to find a position for them.

Then an injury occurs and Hey presto the kids are ready now.

We're often lower down the average games played list than we are the average age list. In a rebuild you'd think it would be the opposite.

Buckley is envisaging a world where a draftee comes in, takes time to find his feet, banks a preseason or two, grows in confidence, starts producing in the reserves, then is promoted to league level. Ours follow that process except for the last step.

For Buckley's system to work, the coaches need to be willing to change the best 22 even if the team is performing well

Which is not our philosophy

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

For Buckley's system to work, the coaches need to be willing to change the best 22 even if the team is performing well

Which is not our philosophy

Absolutely.

Need to make room.

It's why injury is the only way into our team.

 

[FR0GGY]

We’ve certainly seen a certain coach isn’t ready, probably won’t ever be ready.

 

[CrowBloke]

No one is ready to play.
Bit like having kids, no one is ready, there’s plenty of learning on the job to be done.

I think you're right.
A Coach won't actually know if a newbie is ready until given the chance but in Nicks' case that's usually only after a preferred player has been injured (as pointed out by Drugs Are Bad Mackay? and others).

Some rise to the challenge and do well straight away (Michalanney/ Nankervis, more recently Bond and Dowling).
Others just don't make it.
Others are treated abominably by the Coach (Curtin).

 

[MRB37]

ROB interview says we lost shape around the contest

God dammit, Murphy, you had ONE job!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

ROB interview says we lost shape around the contest

God dammit, Murphy, you had ONE job!

No coach noticed on the day?

Wouldn't have anything with going in too tall against the quickest side & allowing their half backs to run amok?

Poorly coached teams just keep repeating the same old mistakes, then rolling out the same old excuses...

 

[ABAB]

ROB interview says we lost shape around the contest

God dammit, Murphy, you had ONE job!

I'm sure he kept his shape which is why he didn't cover Impey so Mitchell exposing that.

 

[MRB37]

No coach noticed on the day?

Wouldn't have anything with going in too tall against the quickest side & allowing their half backs to run amok?

Poorly coached teams just keep repeating the same old mistakes, then rolling out the same old excuses...

Just the way ROB worded it, that was talked about being a problem, but that it was player driven, rather than structural, so again coaches deflecting blame.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Just the way ROB worded it, that was talked about being a problem, but that it was player driven, rather than structural, so again coaches deflecting blame.

A decent coach would have taken control & reacted on game day.

A poor coach is oblivious to what is going wrong, provides us fluff at his presser, then looks to blame his players on review.

Was very noticeable during the game that the Hawks runner was on the field more than usual. He made plenty of position moves too.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We'll blame too many new players in the middle for our structural breakdown and go back to the tried and (supposedly) true.

Laird, Crouch, Dawson as the preferred midfield combo with Soligo 4th banana rotating through.

 

[cleanhands]

A decent coach would have taken control & reacted on game day.

A poor coach is oblivious to what is going wrong, provides us fluff at his presser, then looks to blame his players on review.

Was very noticeable during the game that the Hawks runner was on the field more than usual. He made plenty of position moves too.

 

[n4sir]

Just the way ROB worded it, that was talked about being a problem, but that it was player driven, rather than structural, so again coaches deflecting blame.

So ROB goes back to the gobbledygook of the mysterious "shape" that we lost during the game, and then Tex described the Hawks as being the best team he's faced in regards to pressure since the 2017 GF when we lost to the Tigers... he may have just as well said "we were bulldozed by a powerful side", it's just as nauseating to hear.

When the players start mouthing BS that's just as bad as our idiotic coaches... **** it, I'm done.

 

[Brett Cummings]

Murphy isn't ready. Even after 100 games. He's barely sanfl standard.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Murphy isn't ready. Even after 100 games. He's barely sanfl standard.

Nix is flogging a dead horse... & it's never going to be in a fit shape.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So ROB goes back to the gobbledygook of the mysterious "shape" that we lost during the game, and then Tex described the Hawks as being the best team he's faced in regards to pressure since the 2017 GF when we lost to the Tigers... he may have just as well said "we were bulldozed by a powerful side", it's just as nauseating to hear.

When the players start mouthing BS that's just as bad as our idiotic coaches... **** it, I'm done.

Stupid is contangeous.

We have seen more than enough to know we are going nowhere until we have some smart operators at AFC.

There is no real direction as they have nfi what is going wrong or how to fix it.

 

[Gtowncrow]

No coach noticed on the day?

Wouldn't have anything with going in too tall against the quickest side & allowing their half backs to run amok?

Poorly coached teams just keep repeating the same old mistakes, then rolling out the same old excuses...

Selection tanking?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Selection tanking?

Don't reckon they are that smart...

 

[Captain Furious]

When is ready?

Not a troll but it's the eternal question

Was Harley ready?

Harley was ready, both physically and mentally.

Maybe his point was everyone is different - which is true - and playing someone before they're ready, just because people are yelling to 'play the kids' can do more harm than good. Some kids like MM you drop in and they play like veterans from day 1. Some aren't even ready to be drafted until their mid 20s.