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Oaksnaf

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Does anyone here play roulette?

I am working on a few different ideas to see whether I can find an edge. The ideas are based on consistency within a region of numbers.

For instance the other night the wheel at one table spun as follows

18 (0)
35 (+5) (+5)
32 (+4) (+9)
16 (-17) (-8)
5 (+2) (-6)
25 (+12) (+6)
35 (-10) (-4) ....next spin is a bet
28 (-2) (-6) HIT (9 numbers....+26)
9 (-5) (-11)
23 (+10) (-1).... next spin is a bet
8 (+1) (0) HIT (3 numbers....+32)next spin is a bet
19 (+13) (+13) LOSS (1 number....-1)
4 (+1) (+14)
30 (+11) (+25)
26 (-16) (+9)
15 (+3) (+12)
27 (+9) (+21)
27 (+0) (+21)
30 (-4) (+17)
21 (+10) (+27)
22 (-14) (+13)
16 (-7) (+6)
11 (+7) (+13)
19 (+11) (+24)
18 (-11) (+13)
11 (-15) (-2)...next spin is a bet
11 (0) (-2) HIT (5 numbers...+30)next spin is a bet
34 (+5) (+3) LOSS (5 numbers...-5)
0 (-9) (-6)
4 (+4) (-2)....next spin is a bet
16 (+17) (+15) LOSS (5 numbers....-5)
18 (-8) (+7)
36 (-16) (-9)
6 (+3) (-6)
6 (0) (-6)
3 (-12) (-18)
8 (+18) (0)...next spin is a bet
20 (-8) (-8) LOSS (1 number...-1)
12 (-9) (-17)
18 (-1) (-18)
18 (0) (-18)

We had 7 bets across a total of 29 numbers with 3 winners returning 105.

OUT 29
IN 105

On different points of the roulette wheel I have directional arrows and that is where the +- comes into it. The + is the amount of numbers they are forward on the wheel. The - is the amount of numbers they are backwards on the wheel.

When the wheel gets within a MAX of -4...+4 range that is when we place our bet, with the theory being that at this point the wheel is spinning consistently.

It probably doesn't hold up long term or have any substation factual evidence or reasons as to why this may work - but it is a bit of fun for me.


So what whacky ideas do you have with roulette?
 
There are no wacky ideas. As a former dealer of roulette i could spin up number 31 9 times out of 10 if i concentrated and tried hard enough. If a punter was being a w***er id look at his bets and id spin up a different section just cos you can. If someone was being nice you could do the opposite and spin up the section they have their chips on. Its a big scam
 
I dont think Roulette can be beaten by anyone in the long run. However, it can be fun to create systems that you think may beat the wheel as long as you dont bet money you cant afford.

As for your system, one of the more better approaches I have seen as it does not involve any type of progression. What do you bet on when the range is between -4 and + 4?

When I play roulette I dont really use a system, but I watch the table for a while before playing to see how much one spin deviates from another.
 

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Embers said:
There are no wacky ideas. As a former dealer of roulette i could spin up number 31 9 times out of 10 if i concentrated and tried hard enough. If a punter was being a w***er id look at his bets and id spin up a different section just cos you can. If someone was being nice you could do the opposite and spin up the section they have their chips on. Its a big scam
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So would tipping the dealers help? And you could of made $1000's if you could control the wheel. Just bring some mates in and try hitting their numbers, surely it wouldent be illegal as well as most pit bosses believe the wheel cant be beaten or controlled.
 
When the range is between -4 and +4 I bet on 9 numbers. The number it has just landed on, and then 4 numbers to the left and 4 numbers to the right that is where the -4 and +4 come from.

As far as I am led to believe it is the new dealers croupier or whatever that tend to have the same action spinning the wheel as they don't know any different. The more experienced spinners tend to mix it up a lot and that is where luck plays a large part.

I don't like progression betting. It requires large banks and eventually a bust is going to happen and from then onwards you are chasing and ultimately losing a lot of money quite quick.
 
Embers said:
There are no wacky ideas. As a former dealer of roulette i could spin up number 31 9 times out of 10 if i concentrated and tried hard enough. If a punter was being a w***er id look at his bets and id spin up a different section just cos you can. If someone was being nice you could do the opposite and spin up the section they have their chips on. Its a big scam
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Mmmm interesting :eek:
 
Very interesting.....i seem to notice that in one sitting u will see one or two numbers come up consistently...i might take more notice of betting on the numbers around those numbers.

In saying that when i'm playing roulette Im usually half pissed....Black all day and number 28!! Good a forumla as any!
 
When I was younger I used to back the last-number. So if it landed on 4 last spin, I would back 4. The best memory is while walking to the cashier to collect I passed an empty table with a dealer and the last spin was 4 (my partners favourite number). So I parted with a few chips and placed it on 4. To the dealers disbelief it came up.
 
Yarbs said:
So would tipping the dealers help? And you could of made $1000's if you could control the wheel. Just bring some mates in and try hitting their numbers, surely it wouldent be illegal as well as most pit bosses believe the wheel cant be beaten or controlled.
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Not really. We cant guarantee 100% success but we can spin up the same section time and time again. Problem is its pretty obvious and if surveillance is watching you will get a warning for it. For me to spin up 31 i had to stare at the wheel and then wait for the number 16 to come around before letting rip with the fastest spin possible in which the ball would take ages to eventually drop.

Im sure some other dealers do get there friends on the other side but problem is if they change the wheel tilt or put you on the wrong tables it could stuff it all up. Not all the roulette wheels are the same. I was on the same 2-3 tables all the time so i got used to it. Im pretty confident after 2 hrs at the same table i can have about 60% control of what im doing.
 
nothing to do with the topic but anyway;

I was in a casino playing roulette a few years ago and as the dealer tried to rip the ball in with power, it bounced out of the wheel, across the gaming floor, and hit a waiters serving tray causing two glasses to smash on the ground.

it definately made my night :)
 
Mine is simple
Stay the f*^$ away from the Casino, its a waste of money & time even going there.
The only times I've ever put money down there was over the bars at the old night clubs.
 
Throw your chips in the air and let them land wherever on the felt.

Much more exciting that way but usually only works at 3am when you have the table to yourself and cant mess up other player's chip placements.
 

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I tend to find myself watching a lot of big third punters who play a couple of hundred a spin. Of course they do not play every spin.

I believe one of the theories it is based on, is the ability to predict the ball landing in the right area due to the spins. But not exactly an exact slot in the roulette, more or so an area where the odds are in your favour.

For example:

From 24-18 on the roulette wheel there are 10 numbers.
Exactly 6 of those numbers are 2nd 12.

From 29-19 on the roulette wheel there are 10 numbers.
Exactly 5 of those are 3rd 12 and 3 are 1st 12
Meaning that 7/10 are covered in that area.

From 25-8 on the roulette wheel there are 10 numbers.
Exactly 5 of those are 3rd 12.

Knowing whether a particular dealer spins the ball consistently enough that it lands in the same area, or whether you notice a pattern, can be exceptionally profitable. As if you have a strong estimate that the ball is going to land between 24-18 this spin. You can bet appropiately.

Unfortunately you leave the ball to land on your number to chance and sometimes it will land inbetween 30 and 36 on 11 and you lose your 3rd 12 bet.
 
I used to play divisibles of 7's all night long. Where I have won a bit and also lost a bit. All I do now though is throw a spare 20 on my number when I first get to the casino on a table where it hasn't come up in it's last 20 spins. Hit it a few times doing that, but obviously not going to pay your way.

Other times I just try to cover a section of the wheel.
 
I read up on this on wiki several months ago. There are 2 theories I liked the sound of.

Firstly, simply placing your money on the same number for every spin until it comes up. Probabilty says it should come up once it 38 spins and it pays 35 to 1.

The thing here is to hope that your number comes up before the 35th spin, which would make it profitable.

I know that sounds stupid but if it comes up once it 38 spins, that doesn't mean it'll take 38 spins to come up. It could come up on the 3rd, 19th, 24th etc. etc. spin, which would be profit.

The second theory I liked was were you bet on either red or black/odd or even/0-18 or 19-36. Once again you just back in the same bet every time, for example, you always bet on Red.

With this each bet has a 47% chance of winning but you should always chase your losses with this stratergy.

For example, you if place 1 unit on red and that loses, you should bet 2 units on red.

If that wins, you made 1 unit profit. If it loses, you need to bet 4 units on red.

If the 4 unit bet wins, you make 1 unit profit. If it loses you need to bet 8 units...

Obviously, you need deep pockets for the second idea and hypothetically it would have you at a statistical advantage to the house, if you had infinate funds.
 
my mate puts ten on red if he wins he puts ten on again then if he lsoes he doubles it each time

so say he loses 5 times in a row he will be putting 160 on to get back up
 
Taz. Your mate can't be too smart.

Doubling your bet on a colour is perhaps one of the most known illogical ways of gambling roulette.

Think about it this way.

Bet 1 $10 lose
Bet 2 $20 lose
Bet 3 $40 lose
Bet 4 $80 lose
Bet 5 $160 lose
Bet 6 $320 WIN --- Return $640

You have so far gambled
10 + 20 +40 + 80 +160 +320 = $630 gambled

So
OUT 630
IN 640

I can think of better ways to risk $640 to win $10.

When doubling your stake, you can only make profit on what your original stake is.

I suggest he gets a new plan quick smart.
 
Jimmy_the_Gent said:
I read up on this on wiki several months ago. There are 2 theories I liked the sound of.

Firstly, simply placing your money on the same number for every spin until it comes up. Probabilty says it should come up once it 38 spins and it pays 35 to 1.

The thing here is to hope that your number comes up before the 35th spin, which would make it profitable.

I know that sounds stupid but if it comes up once it 38 spins, that doesn't mean it'll take 38 spins to come up. It could come up on the 3rd, 19th, 24th etc. etc. spin, which would be profit.

The second theory I liked was were you bet on either red or black/odd or even/0-18 or 19-36. Once again you just back in the same bet every time, for example, you always bet on Red.

With this each bet has a 47% chance of winning but you should always chase your losses with this stratergy.

For example, you if place 1 unit on red and that loses, you should bet 2 units on red.

If that wins, you made 1 unit profit. If it loses, you need to bet 4 units on red.

If the 4 unit bet wins, you make 1 unit profit. If it loses you need to bet 8 units...

Obviously, you need deep pockets for the second idea and hypothetically it would have you at a statistical advantage to the house, if you had infinate funds.
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Basing your bets on just one number in the sheer hope that it comes up requires well, a huge amount of luck.

Mainly because the S/R of one number coming up is 1/37
That S/R mathamatically means that you have an unexpected string of outs of over 150.

The trouble is. That you could be waiting 40 turns for the number to come up. One person arrives bets the same number and wins.



But if you like betting this way, there is a small staking plan that may help.

It starts at $5 per bet. Ends up at $40 per bet after 73 spins and $1000. If you strike your number within the 75 spins you have a profit.


And as for the other red/black theory, same goes for Taz's mate. You can only win back your original stake by doubling your bets on colours when having a loss.

And there is no such thing as statistical advantage against the house in roulette. You cannot turn a negative into a positive using maths for roulette.
 
Oaksnaf said:
Basing your bets on just one number in the sheer hope that it comes up requires well, a huge amount of luck.

Mainly because the S/R of one number coming up is 1/37
That S/R mathamatically means that you have an unexpected string of outs of over 150.

The trouble is. That you could be waiting 40 turns for the number to come up. One person arrives bets the same number and wins.
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I see where you are coming from and I've never tried the theory but it sounds like it would work in the short term if you were diciplined enough to leave if you won any money.

I mean, picking a number between 1 and 38 and hoping it comes up before the 35th spin does put you at a mathamatical disadvantage but I would say the odds of you being profitable are better than what you could normally expect, although you wouldn't see the same gains.

By the way, what do you mean by "That S/R mathamatically means that you have an unexpected string of outs of over 150"?


Oaksnaf said:
And as for the other red/black theory, same goes for Taz's mate. You can only win back your original stake by doubling your bets on colours when having a loss.

And there is no such thing as statistical advantage against the house in roulette. You cannot turn a negative into a positive using maths for roulette.
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I'm sorry to say but this theory would put you ahead of the house if you had infinate funds and could keep doubling your bets.

Think about it, if you never had to stop doubling every sequence of bets would end in a profit.
 
I know what your saying with infinate funds. But what is the point of basing something which you can't apply in the real world.

There are only 38 numbers in a $2.50 table 1-36, 0 and 00. I prefer to play on the $5 tables that have 1-36 and 0. The payout is the same on both tables, yet one is more disadvantaged than the other.

In terms of playing a single number puts you at an advantage compared to placing other bets have a look at the wikipedia chart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette it shows you that you are no more advantaged playing single numbers than you are colours.

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In repsonse to the S/R and expected run of outs.

I don't know the formula. But posted on another forum and it has been discussed before somewhere too.

%S/R, expected run of outs
5 135
10 66
15 43
20 31
25 24
30 19
35 16
40 14
45 12
50 10
55 9
60 8
65 7
70 6
75 5
80 4
85 4
90 3
95 2
 
Oaksnaf said:
I know what your saying with infinate funds. But what is the point of basing something which you can't apply in the real world.
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Just an interesting little fact. There was no need to discuss it.

Oaksnaf said:
In terms of playing a single number puts you at an advantage compared to placing other bets have a look at the wikipedia chart. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette it shows you that you are no more advantaged playing single numbers than you are colours.
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I think you are missing the point here of what I said. Those odds show what the probability of a number coming up is with one spin of the wheel.

But what are the chances of getting a 10, for example, if you spun the wheel 35 times?
 
It doesn't matter how many times the wheel has spun. You still have 1/37 of 10 landing.

There is no such thing as "this number is due" in roulette.

If you sat there for 35 spins and number 10 had not come up. And you place your bet. You are at no point at any advantage. As someone who walks up to the table and places a bet on number 10 without knowing any hisotical relevance has the exact same chance as you at winning.

And even if the spin lands on 10 on the 36th spin. It doesn't mean anything. And it also doesn't mean that it is more less likely to land on 10 the next time around.
 

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