Review Round 10, 2020 - Brisbane Lions vs. Richmond

[3KZ is Football]

Hipwood can't keep playing like he is and expect us not to try to mix it up a bit. I've got faith in him but just at the moment he's costing us more opportunities than he's giving us.

Take the pressure off somehow. You can't beat good teams in big games if your biggest tall forward keeps falling over and isn't really in it in a contested situation.

He has to stop playing in his Dunlop Volleys or were they Converse All Stars? I would drop him for McStay and keep Payne and Ballenden in the team.

 

[Tom14]

There will most likely be one - IIRC Daniher can take a nice contested mark, but I don't think the reaction on here to his recruitment would be positive.

I'd take him assuming we wouldn't have to give up anything (you wouldn't think a normal club would match a FA bid - but essendon is not normal) but I suspect I'm an outlier.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

Really happy to see Cal playing back where he belongs up forward last night! Thought he looked much better. Wait until he starts building in confidence - he can act as a real connector between the mids and forwards.

Was Tom Lynch always such a thug? Knew he always sort of played with an edge, but can't remember him doing stuff like that as his GC days, but entirely possible I had rose colored glasses on. Bleah. Terrible to watch. Hate that guy.

He was pretty humble with the Suns from memory, now he's with a successful team he's a flog.
Good luck , is it tomorrow night, hope yous get back to the winners circle.
Do us proud.

 

[SRH17]

Tom Lynch is an a grade you know what. What possesses him to come out at the start of each quarter and target one of the smaller players on the ground, all the time with that stupid Howdy Doody grin on his face.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Tom Lynch is an a grade you know what. What possesses him to come out at the start of each quarter and target one of the smaller players on the ground, all the time with that stupid Howdy Doody grin on his face.

Winners are grinners. Best way to wipe it off his face is to beat Richmond.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

He has to stop playing in his Dunlop Volleys or were they Converse All Stars? I would drop him for McStay and keep Payne and Ballenden in the team.

It's more about his running style.
When he runs in a tight circle he keeps his body straight with little flex around the hips and thus his boots have less ttraction .
it's just my theory, but a proven one that when you bend at the hips you are less likely to have your feet slide out.
You keep your feet flatter to the ground.
You'll notice indigenous players are great at this skill , more of a body mechanism, flexibility and strength.
I'm coming from a league background, players like the pearl, maybe watch our Charlie he'd be a good example.
If you want to discuss this science further I am available for tutoring, you know for your son and he could then pass this knowledge on.
Edit: sorry just remembered your from Vic.
The Pearl is none other than Steve renoulf nicknamed the black pearl, one of the most exiting runners in modern day rugby league,
he's a perfect example of this running style.

 

[Hirsty23]

Tom Lynch is an a grade you know what. What possesses him to come out at the start of each quarter and target one of the smaller players on the ground, all the time with that stupid Howdy Doody grin on his face.

Most disliked player in the competition, acts all tough against smaller blokes then went down very softly when Witherden gave him the slightest of bumps. Exposed himself as one of the worst captains in the history of the game by checking out from the Suns over his final year there too. Everything about him screams entitled rich boy who has had smoke blown up his a** his entire life. Flog of the highest order.

 

[3KZ is Football]

It's more about his running style.
When he runs in a tight circle he keeps his body straight with little flex around the hips and thus his boots have less ttraction .
it's just my theory, but a proven one that when you bend at the hips you are less likely to have your feet slide out.
You keep your feet flatter to the ground.
You'll notice indigenous players are great at this skill , more of a body mechanism, flexibility and strength.
I'm coming from a league background, players like the pearl, maybe watch our Charlie he'd be a good example.
If you want to discuss this science further I am available for tutoring, you know for your son and he could then pass this knowledge on.
Edit: sorry just remembered your from Vic.
The Pearl is none other than Steve renoulf nicknamed the black pearl, one of the most exiting runners in modern day rugby league,
he's a perfect example of this running style.

That’s really clever. Thanks for the analysis.

 

[morsie]

We are mentally shot against Richmond.Same story last 3 matches.
Periods of dominance failure to capitalize.Richmond rebound and bury us.
Rinse and repeat.
The periods of dominance show that we have the cattle.The trick is how we become mentally stronger.

 

[Gibbo_88]

Can't find the link now but there was a blog post from Squiggle (2018 or 2019?) about the Eagles and their goal kicking accuracy. I think they were converting at about 60% for a lot of the season and the author made the point that at some point they would revert to the mean, no team had kicked that accurately and maintained it for a season.

Obviously last night blows our numbers out a bit further but even if we don't include last night, we're a fair way off being "average" and the round hasn't finished yet. The whole competition is converting (goals-behinds) at about 52% and right now we are going at 44% (47% before last night). The next worst teams are the Swans who are going at 48%. The big outlier is St. Kilda going at 63%. At some point in time we'll creep back up to 52% but who knows when that will be.

 

[snooplions]

I'd say Lynch took stock of his previous battles with Andrews and the way he had been physically manhandled out of the game. He came out with the pure desire to dish it out and turn the tables on Andrews, which he did physically and on the scoreboard. Hard to begrudge him from for playing with that hard edge when it worked so well. Wish we had a forward like him.

 

[Cockliff38]

The thing that hasn't been spoken for is Stef Martin's absence and the knock-on effect that has on our structure. Yes, Martin's influence in the ruck would have helped but more importantly, it would have enabled Oscar to spend more time forward, and have energy to get to more contests. Tonight we really missed Oscar and McStay clunking marks down the line and nullifying the contest.

 

[Quigley]

Last night was certainly not a disaster for me. We were coming off a 4 day break and playing against a side who had 2 more days to recover. This was always going to be an issue given we are a high intensity side who relies on high effort to generate turnovers and easy scoring opportunities. We were not getting to the ball as much last night and as a consequence were not slowing down Richmond as much as we usually would.


The other structural issue we had was the absence of both Rich and Birchall in our backline. Both those guys provide attacking direction at the back and this was not picked up by the rest of the backline. Bringing Payne in also resulted in us playing taller than we have and seemed to throw off the balance of the backline.


Rayner going down also hurt us last night and the fact that it did is a positive for the way he has come on this year. He was starting to work into the game and had some influential moments before going down.


Then there is the goal kicking which was appalling but I don’t think I need to harp on that except to say that the shots on goal ended up 22 to 21 which is probably fairly reflective of how things were actually on the field. We dominated play for large periods of the game but just could not score. Given the things which were going against us I was happy with that. I am pretty much happy to put the result down as one of those nights but there were plenty of positives in the performance for me.

 

[morsie]

There was a stat on Fox about shots at goal.St Kilda were first for easy or gettable shots .We were 17th or 18th.

 

[Quigley]

On some of the players:

Payne – for a KPD playing his first game against a hot Richmond forward line I thought he did pretty well. There were a few things he did wrong – eg punching back into the corridor, not getting a touch on Bolton kick. Even on those two though he showed good strength on the former to get the punch in a contest with the big boys flying and in the latter he held Chol out of being able to contest the mark although Chol did manage to nudge him just enough to prevent Payne getting a touch. He will learn from both of those. On the positives he looked very composed and at ease with the ball in hand and hit targets nicely. He dropped the shoulder a couple of times and put some heavy hits on Lynch and Reiwoldt. He was generally good defensively and it was not his player that was getting away and scoring goals.

Gardiner – every 5 or 6 games Gardiner throws in a shocker and this was it. Made some stupid mistakes defensively and some poor skill errors going the other way. Positioned himself better to mark the ball in the second half but followed up with skill errors too often. Well beaten on the night.

Andrews – his positioning was poor especially in the first half. A rare bad game from Harris.

Ballenden and Skinner – both did not do enough. The main issue I have with Ballenden has always been his timidness and that was on display last night. Did not go hard at the ball and was too easily moved out of the way when under it. Skinner went hard enough but was slow too it and his hands were ordinary. Both provided little.

Hipwood – usually I am a pretty big defender of Hipwood but I thought he was very poor last night. He gave nothing inside 50 and not much more up the ground. He was outbodied all night and did not adjust at all to the umpires letting pushes in the back go.

CEY – his big body came in handy a few times in the second half but his workrate was poor, he looked about three steps slower than those around him and he dropped a couple of marks that he should have taken and cost us goals. He did not get enough of it and these types of games evidence why he is probably only ever going to be a place holder until one of the younger guys demand selection.

Ah Chee – I have not been a fan of his but credit to him he was one of our best last night. His running was the best I have seen it and that makes him look like a player. Skills were only average though and his 5 turnovers were an equal team high. For someone who comes with a reputation as a good ball user he needs to do better.

McCarthy – was our most dangerous forward on the night. He took some good marks and was dangerous with the ball on the ground. He bulled in and provided a contest. Some his misses though made me tear my hair out.

Zorko – had a few howlers. One to forget for Dayne.

Robinson – needs a rest.

Witherden – seemed to feel the pressure more than most. Had a few poor disposals coming out of defense. Not a terrible game from him but a couple of steps below the Essendon effort.

Bailey – he is one guy who will hustle back to help out the defence when they are under pressure. He did that a few times appearing in the last night which was good to see. He is a hard worker and continues to develop.

 

[Cockliff38]

It has been apparent for some time now, and as a team we have been able to get away with it, but last night also showed a number of key players are either gassed or out of form.

• Mitch Robbo and Hipwood are out of form
• McCluggage isn't playing at his 2019 level
• Berry, after a great start to the season, has hit a wall.

Zorko is obviously playing through discomfort but his ball use was terrible last night. We don't expect AA stuff from him this season, but it's fair to say he let himself down last night.

 

[tristanturtleman]

Need some serious sport psychology during the off season, it has to be all between the ears as all of them can hit a field kick.

Our 2 best ball users out of defence hurt a lot tonight as well.

4.17

Bring back Dr Phil Jauncey!!

 

[Lionwest]

Tom Lynch is an a grade you know what. What possesses him to come out at the start of each quarter and target one of the smaller players on the ground, all the time with that stupid Howdy Doody grin on his face.

I enjoyed seeing Answerth not back down against him!!

 

[FLVanLandingham]

Ahh sweet dreams and a comfy bed fix most problems.

That game will be good for Andrews in the future for aspects of leadership. I actually thought he was pretty good in the 2nd half. Just a shame it was a)against Lynch who i dislike, and b) allows flogs to go 'this is supposed to be the best defender?????"..

I think that sort of mindset of knowing the pressure Richmond will bring so we gotta get it perfect was our downfall. Each time going for a shot thinking this one had to be perfect as we're blowing other chances (and then ironically missing it because of that ), going for some pases into the corridor that were just wack, and trying to do too much in defense. Credit to the Tigers they knew it would work so just played it out and let the chips fall as they may. Its just annoying to watch us putting in that effort, and somehow continually ends up with a easy goal for them again and again

Up until Rayner went out injured I was comfortable we could get the win. Other than Neale, I thought Rayner was playing the most dynamically and could see him turning the game. Hopefully he can get back onto the field soon because its really exciting to see him this season.

Payne played such an 'almost' game. He did quite a lot right but it was just small errors that had big impacts a few times. A baptism by fire if there ever was...Hope he gets another shot.

I turned off 2 seconds before the siren, too petty to watch the Tigers celebrate. Did the after game team mention our rest before the game? I'll be interested if that gets mentioned through the week.

 

[martinson]

I don't think we're that far off them

It was totally predictable what would happen last night . We didn't rest enough players . The atrocious kicking just completed the picture.

They've worked out our gameplan and didn't have to use a lot of energy to get us on the rebound.

We have to rethink how we bring it in against them . Rich and Birchall fit and firing will help.

If Hipwood can't provide more presence then it makes it tough for us and I don't know where we go there because there's no one else on the horizon. So he really needs to lift.

Our backline didn't have a lot of hope last night the way the game unfolded but they still made too many silly errors.

We can improve monumentally from that . Just need to smoke them a couple of surprises next time we clash , not that we've been big on surprises this last 18 months.

 

[The Zork]

I’m a huge Andrews fan but I think the one thing he needs to work on further is that spoil to mark ratio.
A few years back it was heavily spoil, last year and this year it’s evening out. It’s a fine line but I think he can mark a few more than he spoils.
Lynch cheated and got one out the back on the back of a botched spoil last night.
If he marks and we have control of the football it’s a totally different scenario rather then spoiling out of bounds and rushing a kick out of a D50 stoppage only for them to repeat entry.

 

[Gadzorks]

I think we need to remember just how young we were tonight all!
21.5yrs up forward and 22.5yrs down back. I understand Richmond were missing a few also but they had their veteran bookends to control and set up. We seemed lost at see up forward and Harris was trying to do too much to help cover and protect Payne which was the detriment to his game.
We need to remember we have Stef, Rich, Birch, Mcstay and even Lester to come back in and settle the ship. We will be fine. This was just a young team getting beaten up! This is not who we are!

Hodge and Birchall have made big differences down back as one bookend, and we desperately need a forward one.

I’d still like to see Christensen bought in to fill that role. He has been an best 22 player in an elite team and I believe he can make a difference.

 

[martinson]

I’m a huge Andrews fan but I think the one thing he needs to work on further is that spoil to mark ratio.
A few years back it was heavily spoil, last year and this year it’s evening out. It’s a fine line but I think he can mark a few more than he spoils.
Lynch cheated and got one out the back on the back of a botched spoil last night.
If he marks and we have control of the football it’s a totally different scenario rather then spoiling out of bounds and rushing a kick out of a D50 stoppage only for them to repeat entry.

I've thought for some time he can mark a lot of the spoils he he enacts.

Maybe it's a lot easier looking on the TV than out on the ground.

 

[spotthedog1]

Well, 4 day break, umpires, and injuries. We move on. Hope Lynch gets rubbed out for head contact, but then they're against Port, so I don't know.

Skinner - one dumb error, otherwise he's getting there. Prefer to keep him in.
Payne - was caught out of position too many times. But it's his first game - you get that. Probably give him another so he knows what it's like before sending him back to work on a few things. It'll take time.
Ballenden - probably lacked a bit of an edge at times. Not too bad for a second gamer, but still has work to do.

McStay - back in. I'd be tempted to replace Ballenden with him. McStay/Skinner can back up O.

Mitch Robbo - looks like he could really use a rest with the short turnarounds. Replace him with Tommy Berry. Same edge, same dynamic pressure.

Back line looks tough to figure. Ah Chee is getting more of the ball but still is an atrocious distributor. Can't see Fages dropping him. Need to bring back Rich. I'd probably hold Payne one more game before bringing back Lester for him. Can't drop Answerth or Witho based on these performances. May have to shuffle out someone else.

 

[martinson]

Every game against them we've spent our tickets and they run over us.

Maybe next time we play conservatively early and see how good they are when we're coming at them with lots left in the tank.

Just a thought.