Preview Round 10 - Sydney vs Carlton @ Marvel Stadium, Friday Night Lights

[Swansujelly]

We’ve gone full Castle at the tribunal lol

It’s not high I swear

Oh maybe it is but it’s inconclusive lol

it's the vibe of it..and no joke, the vibe is correct, Rowy was just making space, but..

 

[Swansujelly]

I feel really bad for COR. He does literally everything asked of him. Performs his role dutifully (if not dominantly) when he's called up to seniors, goes back to the reserves and just looks a class above all the time.

Maybe the coaches just don't see it in him, which would be totally fair enough (even if I disagree), but why'd we sign him for 3 years then if we obviously don't see enough in him to give him the frequent chances that players like Bell gets?

He's an Irishman living on the other side of the world from his family doing the best he can for the club, and we're just kinda inadvertently stringing him along as a reserves footballer whose not actually getting a chance to better himself or his career prospects in our country.

he has had a few shit the bed moments unfortunately ( and Lloyd doesn't?) , but how the hell are you suppose to learn? Put him in, leave him in. Only thing I guess, is Horse just doesn't see it with him. Cunners out is a perfect time for COR, but who do you leave out? I thought Bell did well, worthy of keeping his place so..as I said in an earlier post. Howver, what happens when all healthy, no spot for COR, and I guess that's a good thing? But I would give COR a run of games. But I'm no Horse, just a donkey..DONKEY BABY! ..........sorry, I've had few vodkas.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

I was pretty sure after watching it on the night that Rowbottom probably deserved a week but I can see where they are coming from as it's not a traditional bumping contest side on and he does get some momentum from Mills hand, where as he was probably crossing his arms to protect himself from the oncoming collision.

Would be nice if my initial judgement was wrong on this one.

EDIT: MY apologies probably not the right thread for this discussion.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Appeal failed

 

[Wheresbuddy]

So who comes in? COR, Campbell or Clarke? Campbell for me, bit stiff to have been dropped in the first place. COR to medisub, Clarke to stretch his legs in VFL.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So who comes in? COR, Campbell or Clarke? Campbell for me, bit stiff to have been dropped in the first place. COR to medisub, Clarke to stretch his legs in VFL.

He wasn’t dropped. Rested key difference

 

[BloodySwan]

So who comes in? COR, Campbell or Clarke? Campbell for me, bit stiff to have been dropped in the first place. COR to medisub, Clarke to stretch his legs in VFL.

Bring in Clarke and play him in the middle. Put Campbell as the medisub would be my choice.

Wouldn't shock me if we just bring in Campbell to push McInerney back up the middle. Kennedy played a decent chunk on the wing, just push him into the middle

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Bring in Clarke and play him in the middle. Put Campbell as the medisub would be my choice.

Wouldn't shock me if we just bring in Campbell to push McInerney back up the middle. Kennedy played a decent chunk on the wing, just push him into the middle

Don’t know why we are so hellbent in bringing a Clarke back he’s not AFL standard

 

[caesar88]

Whilst I think it was one of the worst MRO decisions I've ever seen, I am indifferent to Rowbottom being out as I haven't liked his year at all and I also think it may force our midfield to be less defensive (unless we just decide to use Mills or, God forbid, Clarke, in that role.)

We simply cannot afford to bother trying to "shut down" any of Carlton's mids, as they just have too many. Shut down Cripps or Walsh, OK... you've still got George, Cerra, Kennedy...

If our best midfield performances this year (vs GWS, West Coast, Hawthorn, Essendon) have shown anything it's that it can only perform strongly when there's all hands on deck. Just can't afford to have one of them running around focusing on an opponent rather than the ball at this stage.

Keep it simple, Campbell in.

 

[hairy biker]

... I am indifferent to Rowbottom being out as I haven't liked his year at all and I also think it may force our midfield to be less defensive.....

I'm not seeing whatever you are seeing from Rowbottom and I know you don't like stats but his career averages are up pretty much across the board, albeit after an injury hampered 2021.



I don't have any issue with his performances overall this year.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Don’t know why we are so hellbent in bringing a Clarke back he’s not AFL standard

Nobody is hell bent on him coming in, with the options that are available to replace Rowbottom then he is in the conversation. He may deserve a go for consistency but I doubt anyone will be screaming if he doesn't get selected but rather happy for him on a personal level.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Nobody is hell bent on him coming in, with the options that are available to replace Rowbottom then he is in the conversation. He may deserve a go for consistency but I doubt anyone will be screaming if he doesn't get selected but rather happy for him on a personal level.

So it’s a school swimming carnival participation award now? Not standard.

Rather Stephens or give Roberts or whoever might be standard in reserves.

 

[RubbaDuck]

he has had a few shit the bed moments unfortunately ( and Lloyd doesn't?) , but how the hell are you suppose to learn? Put him in, leave him in. Only thing I guess, is Horse just doesn't see it with him. Cunners out is a perfect time for COR, but who do you leave out? I thought Bell did well, worthy of keeping his place so..as I said in an earlier post. Howver, what happens when all healthy, no spot for COR, and I guess that's a good thing? But I would give COR a run of games. But I'm no Horse, just a donkey..DONKEY BABY! ..........sorry, I've had few vodkas.

Reminds me of a joke. A gorgeous woman is checking out a couple of guys near her at a bar. She sidles up to one of them, places her hand gently on his thigh and leans in intimately close. In a husky voice she half whispers 'Hi...so why does your friend call you donkey?' The guy flushes bright red and stutters in a high pitched voice 'Oh....hee haw, hee haw, he always calls me that'

Back on topic, I think a lot of guys have to get used to being spares if we're to develop real depth. The best teams have a reserves team full of players good enough for seniors. Cor's not alone. Guys like Clark, Taylor, Stephens, Sinclair, they were all recruited from other clubs or taken at high draft picks with a dream of playing seniors. Melican has been in and out more times than a .... . The good news is these guys push the seniors to hold their spots. The bad news is these guys will need to lift their game further as the senior team raises the bar. But at least they have their fate (mostly) in their own hands, if they're prepared to work hard enough.

I agree with giving fringe players a run of games. It's a big transition to the much faster pace of the seniors and it may take a few games to get into top form. Ideally though, a top player can go straight to the pace. Perhaps that's one of the key indicators that a player is best 22.

 

[Punts]

What about Roberts?

 

[RubbaDuck]

Don’t know why we are so hellbent in bringing a Clarke back he’s not AFL standard

Clarke has been tearing the ressies a new one. I'd be fine with giving him a couple of games in the seniors and seeing how that translates. He's always been played in defence in the seniors but the guy's a much better midfielder. I'd also be OK with trying out Lewis Taylor as a small defender, having seen a few games where he's been very influential in defence. He's a little terrier. We could do with a small defender more than we need a small forward.

 

[DobmusEdge]

Interesting that all our losses have come off 6 day breaks. In fact, so far we've had more short breaks than any other top 8 team.

Some teams won regardless of the short break (sometimes they won over piss-weak opposition). Either way, it could offer some insight into why we're sometimes slow to get going in Q1. Interestingly, the Gold Coast game was off the back of two 6 day breaks in a row.

I raise this as we're playing Carlton off a 6 day break. Carlton have only played one game off a short break this year and they lost that. So maybe it's good news that they're coming off a 5 day break.

Number of short breaks (% losses from those games)
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Sydney 6 (50%)

Geelong 4 (50%)

Brisbane 3 (33%)

Freo 3 (0%)

Melbourne 3 (0%)

St Kilda 3 (0%)

Richmond 2 (0%)

Carlton 1 (100%)

Our worst performances were both off consecutive six day breaks (bulldogs and Suns). Makes a big difference, especially when the other team relatively fresh. The hawks game last year was off consecutive six days breaks while they came off the bye.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

So it’s a school swimming carnival participation award now? Not standard.

Rather Stephens or give Roberts or whoever might be standard in reserves.

Clarke has been consistently good in an otherwise ordinary VFL side.

Who knows, he may have worked on his game & improved?

He always had plenty of positive attributes (including an outstanding tank) - just the disposals let him down.

If he is selected, it’s because he’s worked really hard & earned it.

And I would never begrudge a player who has done that.

 

[RubbaDuck]

Our worst performances were both off consecutive six day breaks (bulldogs and Suns). Makes a big difference, especially when the other team relatively fresh. The hawks game last year was off consecutive six days breaks while they came off the bye.

So you're saying there might be something in the short break theory?

I think it's a big rough that we got so many more than other teams.

 

[Big Blood]

I'm not seeing whatever you are seeing from Rowbottom and I know you don't like stats but his career averages are up pretty much across the board, albeit after an injury hampered 2021.

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I don't have any issue with his performances overall this year.

It's unfortunate that you try to muddy an argument with actual information

 

[The King!]

No excuses for us here

 

[The King!]

So it’s a school swimming carnival participation award now? Not standard.

Rather Stephens or give Roberts or whoever might be standard in reserves.

agree, we have seen clarke plenty, theres nothing afl standard about him, move on

dont mind the injury sub spot while he is list clogging

 

[Punts]

They have some good outs

 

[caesar88]

I'm not seeing whatever you are seeing from Rowbottom and I know you don't like stats but his career averages are up pretty much across the board, albeit after an injury hampered 2021.

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I don't have any issue with his performances overall this year.

I think his numbers going up can be explained quite easily by far greater TOG% and CBAs, but to me he is a shadow of the player he was in his first few years.

 

[Ticky009]

Clearances are our bogie and we've just lost a mid we can ill afford to lose.

I'm all for the calls to bring Campbell back in but I'm more interested to where and how we shuffle the rest of the team to replace Rowbottom in the middle. Does Heeney spend most of his time there?

 

[Kolah]

Regardless of what people think of Bell I think he gets in because he plays the role assigned to him. His speed means he can close on defenders quickly and force panicked disposal. The main reason when he misses tackles is he is closing so quickly and can get sidestepped. As mentioned elsewhere he stands off packs in the fifty looking for the ground ball and not going up when he has no chance of marking. He keeps chasing for the full four quarters. Regardless of his limitations I am pretty sure that is what he is on the ground for.
I forgot how young Clarke is ? How can you stay on a list that long and still be a bad kick ? We have some really good field kicks I really don't understand how he can't learn or be coached into kicking better. It's not as if he came from a non football background.

Brandon Jack


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