Review Round 12, 2019 - Carlton vs. Brisbane Lions
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You can only hope he's keeping it civil for media and scathing in internal reviews.
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Positives for today..... McStay kicked a set shot goal from 30m out right in front
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Jonathan Brown debut v Adelaide at the Gabba, round five, 2000
Stats: Zero kicks, zero handballs, one tackle
Andrew McLeod debut v Melbourne at Football Park, round six, 1995
Stats: One kick, three handballs, two tackles
Matthew Scarlett debut v Essendon at MCG, round 22, 1998
Stats: Six disposals, two marks and one tackle, conceding six goals against Matthew Lloyd
Sam Mitchell debut v Richmond at the MCG, round five, 2002
Stats: Four disposals, four tackles
Brent Harvey debut v Richmond at the MCG, round 22, 1996
Stats: One handball
Nick Riewoldt debut v Adelaide at Docklands Stadium, round 15, 2001
Stats: Three disposals, one mark, no goals
You'd hope so because it offered no comfort whatsoever.
Seems pretty chuffed that we've won more than last year and so am I, but seemed pretty content that we're 7-5.
Well Chris, we should have been 9-3 or at the very least 8-4.
Would've been nice if he actually highlighted why we poor, who didn't do their job or what selections we got wrong with the side named for starters, but no, rolled out the usual BS cliches as he usually trots out.
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Tinker?
We've been embarrassed now at least twice too often. A Coach with an admitted philosophy of allowing out of form players to somehow find form in the Seniors. WTF? It's a ridiculous philosophy & has failed miserably. Teams can't afford passengers. The competition is too close. IMO its time to change the Coach. I still live in hope for finals this year, yet have now lost all confidence in the Coaching Dept. Lets get real, we're lucky we're not 4/8 and around 13th on the ladder. The Eagles had us on toast, Port looked to have us beaten deep in the last & we got out of jail against North. Love to be wrong but for mine the Coach needs a kick up the backside & a radical change of this insipid philosophy of not dropping certain players no matter how poor their form is. If he doesn't improve sack him in September & bring Scott or Voss in. Couldn't see either of them molly coddling out of form players & allowing them in the Seniors as passengers.
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Have I missed something?
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Was at game.
We lost that in minutes 5-15 in the second quarter. Was sitting top deck behind our goals at that end. We’re 6 goals to nil up and had 4/5 chances to kick further goals that we could have practically raffled to be 10 goals up. Carlton we’re looking comical at that point, and unfortunately we bungled those chances through arrogance and laziness.
The person at the centre of most of those chances unfortunately was Rayner. Fumbled a pick up running inside 50 off a centre bounce, didn’t pick the right option On Centre wing with Robbie running past, he and mcstay couldn’t pick it up in the pocket (after Mccarthy stuffed a kick) and then he missed a pick up on 50 in right pocket that could have turned into something. In past weeks he’s been ‘out of the game’ but not hurting us. Today he hurt us.
Other 5 minutes of madness was start of third when mcluggage and witherden couldn’t have missed targets in defensive 50 any worse gifting them two goals. Mcluggage particularly bad as I was so relieved we’d kicked the first of the third term to get some breathing space back.
Smith and Martin were soundly beaten. Neither could take a mark the entire game. (Martin did take 2). And they were smacked in hit outs.
The clearances in third quarter were an absolute embarrassment. Never seen a team win that many in a row so comprehensively in exactly the same way (from behind the ball up, running through).
Rayner, Cameron, Mccarthy 24 possessions, 2 goals , 5 tackles between them. Mccarthy also deserves scrutiny.
Fagan barely made any changes all game. Given how poor we were for last 2.5 quarters hard to understand why we didn’t make any moves most obviously tagging Cripps and protecting Neale.
Answerth, Andrews, gardiner, Neale, only one worth votes.
We lost that in minutes 5-15 in the second quarter. Was sitting top deck behind our goals at that end. We’re 6 goals to nil up and had 4/5 chances to kick further goals that we could have practically raffled to be 10 goals up. Carlton we’re looking comical at that point, and unfortunately we bungled those chances through arrogance and laziness.
The person at the centre of most of those chances unfortunately was Rayner. Fumbled a pick up running inside 50 off a centre bounce, didn’t pick the right option On Centre wing with Robbie running past, he and mcstay couldn’t pick it up in the pocket (after Mccarthy stuffed a kick) and then he missed a pick up on 50 in right pocket that could have turned into something. In past weeks he’s been ‘out of the game’ but not hurting us. Today he hurt us.
Other 5 minutes of madness was start of third when mcluggage and witherden couldn’t have missed targets in defensive 50 any worse gifting them two goals. Mcluggage particularly bad as I was so relieved we’d kicked the first of the third term to get some breathing space back.
Smith and Martin were soundly beaten. Neither could take a mark the entire game. (Martin did take 2). And they were smacked in hit outs.
The clearances in third quarter were an absolute embarrassment. Never seen a team win that many in a row so comprehensively in exactly the same way (from behind the ball up, running through).
Rayner, Cameron, Mccarthy 24 possessions, 2 goals , 5 tackles between them. Mccarthy also deserves scrutiny.
Fagan barely made any changes all game. Given how poor we were for last 2.5 quarters hard to understand why we didn’t make any moves most obviously tagging Cripps and protecting Neale.
Answerth, Andrews, gardiner, Neale, only one worth votes.
Archie Smith needs to never play another game for the Lions. Robertson similarly awful. Also, if a second games can tag Cripps out of a game, why can’t one of our ****wits.
Seriously?!? We’re having our best season in years and you want to change the coach??? Get some perspective!
C'mon. Really?
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Forgot to say. In second half we just didn’t attack the ball. Beaten to it so many times it was ridiculous. Unfortunately rich was one of the worst offenders unsure whether to go at a contest or sit behind. Was ineffective at both.
I think he did.Laid the blame squarely on our midfield and when pressed on how you get beaten so badly he referred to effort and mindset.Which is what my thoughts on the game were a complete lack of intensity and effort by way too many players.Watcing not doing
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How was Robertson awful? He was on McGovern who didn't really have an influence
Longest trip home ever. The six goals to nil was not due to our great play. We scored off there many turnovers. Once they stopped the errors we were in trouble. Cripps had the ball on a string and not one of the coaching committee thought it might be an idea to put a hard tag on the guy. He played one of the best individual games you are likely to see.
Curnow slowed Neale down in second half. Not sure we won a centre clearance in 3rd qtr after the first one which resulted in McStays goal.
Archie Smith experiment should be shutdown for good. Not sure what it looked like on TV but at the ground he was so bad. Cant take a mark to save himself and was just a liability all day. Stef dropped about 20 pack marks.
Rayner serious how he is still in the team. I saw his opponent run off him for fun at times today.
As expected going one short in defence cost us. Robertson tried hard but was out of position so many times in marking contests. Witherden turned it over for fun kicking out of the back line.
Hipwood needs to improve his work rate. There were times we were crying for someone to kick to down the line and he was running away from the contest. Never saw McCarthy until last qtr. Squizzy Taylor went back to bad habits.
Very disappointing day is an understatement and no doubt tonights celebrations will be very sombre. Hope the players feel the hurt.
Curnow slowed Neale down in second half. Not sure we won a centre clearance in 3rd qtr after the first one which resulted in McStays goal.
Archie Smith experiment should be shutdown for good. Not sure what it looked like on TV but at the ground he was so bad. Cant take a mark to save himself and was just a liability all day. Stef dropped about 20 pack marks.
Rayner serious how he is still in the team. I saw his opponent run off him for fun at times today.
As expected going one short in defence cost us. Robertson tried hard but was out of position so many times in marking contests. Witherden turned it over for fun kicking out of the back line.
Hipwood needs to improve his work rate. There were times we were crying for someone to kick to down the line and he was running away from the contest. Never saw McCarthy until last qtr. Squizzy Taylor went back to bad habits.
Very disappointing day is an understatement and no doubt tonights celebrations will be very sombre. Hope the players feel the hurt.
We have the worst free kick differential in the league by some margin, and the umps were always going to square it up a little at some point this season. Unfortunately for you blokes, looks like today was the day.
Even though he didn't get a heap of it, I really liked Andrews' game. Took some important grabs.
How long has Archie Smith been on the list? I know big blokes take time, but he really does look miles off it.
Even though he didn't get a heap of it, I really liked Andrews' game. Took some important grabs.
How long has Archie Smith been on the list? I know big blokes take time, but he really does look miles off it.
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The old adage, if your grandma had a pair etc etc, but hard to think we wouldn't be sitting 9 - 3 if we had Berry for the game today & against Freo. It's a bit of an indicator of where we are at as a team. A real finals team can cover the loss of one of it's stars, we're not quite there yet. Imagine our club if Berry has a setback & we also lose Neale for a stint. That's where we are as a club development wise. List still needs a lot of improving, but we're well on track to far exceed the most optimistic expectations of where we'd finish up this year.
Unfortunately didn't get to see the first half, only the second. It wasn't fun viewing. Did anyone do a head count, lol all I saw were navy blue jumpers. They really had their backs up at that stage & to be honest I was surprised we only lost by 15. I saw them really getting into Neale, but didn't see enough from our guys supporting him.
Nothing like the bye week for a team to stew over a performance like that.
Unfortunately didn't get to see the first half, only the second. It wasn't fun viewing. Did anyone do a head count, lol all I saw were navy blue jumpers. They really had their backs up at that stage & to be honest I was surprised we only lost by 15. I saw them really getting into Neale, but didn't see enough from our guys supporting him.
Nothing like the bye week for a team to stew over a performance like that.
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Sorry .. I quoted someone and it disappeared.
It is related to Archie and, I agree, it was cringe-worthy watching his impact today but this is his 2nd game in 2019. One would have thought that playing the bottom side would have been a good experience for him so I can understand why he was picked.
Anyhow the point I'm making is that he is in good company with others who had a shite start to their AFL career but eventually stamped themselves on the game. Given Stef's experience, I thought his set shot miss when the game was still in reach was far worse than Archie trying to make sense of the AFL deal.
I didn't get that from it at all, I got the vibe that he was seething underneath, he's hardly going to give individual players a bake publicly.
He did mention that we got cute with the ball when we were 40-3 up, my translation of cute would be too bloody cocky or drinking your own bathwater, I think the match review will be brutal for a few players. Expecting 4-5 changes v the Saints.
I also agree with you now that Rayner needs a spell in the reserves but I'm nowhere near as pessimistic on him as you are.
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Martin was very ordinary today also.
The problem with Archie is he has had 5-6 years already and his skills are just not there.
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