Review Round 5, 2022 - Brisbane Lions vs. Collingwood

[royboys4eva]

Dare I say it but I think we are missing Zorks midfield spark and zip. He isn't going to be the player he was but even so I think the odd 5/10 min burst of him in the middle will give us a bit more unpredictability.

Right now the the midfield looks very one paced. Not enough dash or dare. When Kiddy is ready to go I think Zorko back to the centre and rotating with Bailey/ Rayner.

Right now I think our biggest strength is our depth. A fit Coleman and Hippy to return and hopefully no serious injuries.

Also think Pies only got within 7 points due to some abhorrent umpiring decisions - 3 of which resulted in goals to them.

Marcus Adams

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Marcus Adams

Age

31

Ht

192cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.8

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

5.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

240.5

4star

D

5.0

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

57.0

1star

D

15.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

6.8

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

235.8

4star

having an outstanding season - keep him fit and injury free!

 

[BuntonRules]

Please, in future DON'T read any of my posts.......easy. No need to try and set yourself up as the arbiter of everything.

Mate, you have posted the same thing 5000 times, and got about 200 replies - not one who agreed with you. I have a never ignore policy, but your brain dead, refusing to learn attitude is pushing the limits.

 

[Nunez]

I do have a chuckle to myself at all the young/old and forgetful people getting upset over 50 free kicks.

Keep it down old man Rip!

 

[beardancer]

It’s not good for me, or you or anyone else. Mate you have slagged him off ever since he got here. Last year he was just no good in general according to you, now he is killing it and winning us games he is no good because he doesn’t run down tackles back pockets. It’s ridiculous it’s like saying Caleb Daniel needs to start taking contested marks. It’s just weird bias not backed up with any reasonable evidence.

No worries, go lions

 

[jonnobackpocket]

No worries, go lions

Yep go lions- I am all for posters having different takes and opinions on things but be reasonable.

 

[knaf]

Mate, you have posted the same thing 5000 times, and got about 200 replies - not one who agreed with you. I have a never ignore policy, but your brain dead, refusing to learn attitude is pushing the limits.

Yes I have a never ignore policy too. Over the years every poster has contributed something. Maybe this is the exception that proves the rule.

 

[beardancer]

Mate, you have posted the same thing 5000 times, and got about 200 replies - not one who agreed with you. I have a never ignore policy, but your brain dead, refusing to learn attitude is pushing the limits.

Just calling it as I see it. I spose you've got the right to your opinion.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Just calling it as I see it. I spose you've got the right to your opinion.

But maybe if nobody agrees then you need reassess things

 

[mattsmob]

Dare I say it but I think we are missing Zorks midfield spark and zip. He isn't going to be the player he was but even so I think the odd 5/10 min burst of him in the middle will give us a bit more unpredictability.

Right now the the midfield looks very one paced. Not enough dash or dare. When Kiddy is ready to go I think Zorko back to the centre and rotating with Bailey/ Rayner.

Right now I think our biggest strength is our depth. A fit Coleman and Hippy to return and hopefully no serious injuries.

Also think Pies only got within 7 points due to some abhorrent umpiring decisions - 3 of which resulted in goals to them.

Marcus Adams having an outstanding season - keep him fit and injury free!

Just on Zork's he has looked really hobbled as the game has gone on so I'm not sure he would have the ability to go into the middle at the minute, I believe he had one center bounce in the Collingwood game and looked like he could barely get out of second gear. Really liked what Bailey did in his limited midfield minutes as well but he's so dangerous up forward. It feels like we've changed our core midfield group every game so far with Neale being the only one that hasn't been taken out. I'd like to see what a main midfield group of Neale, McCluggage and Bailey could do for a game.

 

[royboys4eva]

Just on Zork's he has looked really hobbled as the game has gone on so I'm not sure he would have the ability to go into the middle at the minute, I believe he had one center bounce in the Collingwood game and looked like he could barely get out of second gear. Really liked what Bailey did in his limited midfield minutes as well but he's so dangerous up forward. It feels like we've changed our core midfield group every game so far with Neale being the only one that hasn't been taken out. I'd like to see what a main midfield group of Neale, McCluggage and Bailey could do for a game.

Agree he does look like he is struggling or running with rocks in his boots ! But hasn't stopped him getting plenty of the pill off half back. Just try him for a quick 5 min burst. If he can't impact than we know. Think we all like the idea of Bailey in the middle but he is so dangerous forward of the ball and a few times when he played mid he has been caught with the ball - he has bad habit of turning his back into a tackle. That said I think Zac is ultimately a midfielder for us and I think he would excellent at centre clearances.

I think most of us would agree that we could do with a touch more pace/dash through the middle.

 

[mattsmob]

Agree he does look like he is struggling or running with rocks in his boots ! But hasn't stopped him getting plenty of the pill off half back. Just try him for a quick 5 min burst. If he can't impact than we know. Think we all like the idea of Bailey in the middle but he is so dangerous forward of the ball and a few times when he played mid he has been caught with the ball - he has bad habit of turning his back into a tackle. That said I think Zac is ultimately a midfielder for us and I think he would excellent at centre clearances.

I think most of us would agree that we could do with a touch more pace/dash through the middle.

I'll need to go back and watch the games but it feels like Zorko has a huge impact in the first half then slows throughout the second, has found a lot of ball but I haven't see him really burst away with speed from memory.
Lucky for us we've got so many dangerous forwards Bailey isn't required there fulltime.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Agree he does look like he is struggling or running with rocks in his boots ! But hasn't stopped him getting plenty of the pill off half back. Just try him for a quick 5 min burst. If he can't impact than we know. Think we all like the idea of Bailey in the middle but he is so dangerous forward of the ball and a few times when he played mid he has been caught with the ball - he has bad habit of turning his back into a tackle. That said I think Zac is ultimately a midfielder for us and I think he would excellent at centre clearances.

I think most of us would agree that we could do with a touch more pace/dash through the middle.

Spent some time in the middle in the last quarter against Collingwood. It'll happen once he gets his fitness up

 

[Nunez]

Bailey only attended 10 centre bounces against Collingwood. Would certainly like to see him get more time and opportunity there. Rayner too - he only attended two (for two clearances).

The challenge we have is JL not being versatile enough to play other positions - makes it hard to get more on-ball time to guys like Bailey and Rayner (and Cockatoo who didn't attend any in his last game).

 

[davemc_lions]

Bailey only attended 10 centre bounces against Collingwood. Would certainly like to see him get more time and opportunity there. Rayner too - he only attended two (for two clearances).

The challenge we have is JL not being versatile enough to play other positions - makes it hard to get more on-ball time to guys like Bailey and Rayner (and Cockatoo who didn't attend any in his last game).

yes so if you rotate JL and Neale on to the bench it normally not for each other. So you are using a rotation.
So you need to take someone off the bench into the forward/wing to push that player into the middle.
Zorko, JL, Rayner, Ah Chee Answerth and Robbo all seem to be in around 25% of the game benched lately.
Only so many rotations.

 

[POBT]

Bailey only attended 10 centre bounces against Collingwood. Would certainly like to see him get more time and opportunity there. Rayner too - he only attended two (for two clearances).

The challenge we have is JL not being versatile enough to play other positions - makes it hard to get more on-ball time to guys like Bailey and Rayner (and Cockatoo who didn't attend any in his last game).

The challenge for me is that neither Bailey or Rayner are particularly effective. Bailey's tackling and game awareness is an issue. When he gets the clearance, it's awesome. But he's hit and miss and when the opposition gets it, he's fairly ineffective. And we've discussed a fair bit that Rayner's not where he needs to be.

So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't at the moment. We want more midfield minutes for those guys but they are a bit of a liability at times.

 

[mattsmob]

The challenge for me is that neither Bailey or Rayner are particularly effective. Bailey's tackling and game awareness is an issue. When he gets the clearance, it's awesome. But he's hit and miss and when the opposition gets it, he's fairly ineffective. And we've discussed a fair bit that Rayner's not where he needs to be.

So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't at the moment. We want more midfield minutes for those guys but they are a bit of a liability at times.

We've allowed ourselves the ability to give those guys significant midtime with our good start imo. I don't mind if they leak some clearances now as long as they know where they need to be by the end of the season.

 

[davemc_lions]

We've allowed ourselves the ability to give those guys significant midtime with our good start imo. I don't mind if they leak some clearances now as long as they know where they need to be by the end of the season.

Yes rather winning and play like this now.
Then scrapping through and winning ugly round 18+
Plenty of time to find form. I think Hipwood will help straighten things up
Cocky , Answerth and Rayner getting game time as well after missing so much.
Just look at Joe this year he seems almost back to 2017 Joe
Then new players like Lohmann can add something. Wilmont and Tunstall.
Add to Prior, Dev, Sharp and T Berry coming through.
Lets wait to July-Aug

Edit Also add half the teams from the 2021 top 8 struggling
Port 0-5, Eagles and Bombers 1-4 and Dogs 2-3

 

[Tom14]

The challenge for me is that neither Bailey or Rayner are particularly effective. Bailey's tackling and game awareness is an issue. When he gets the clearance, it's awesome. But he's hit and miss and when the opposition gets it, he's fairly ineffective. And we've discussed a fair bit that Rayner's not where he needs to be.

So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't at the moment. We want more midfield minutes for those guys but they are a bit of a liability at times.

I don't understand our approach tbh - we started round 1 and 2 by having Neale, Bailey, Rayner as our starting CBA rotation which was a weird choice given Cam recently returning. We'd then have a couple of rotations where JL started on a wing then ran in - again, a weird weird choice, and one we'd give up when we started losing clearances. Then going to not having Bailey in there at all is also a problem for me.

If JL is going to play, and he should, then he has to be in the rotation more but there's no reason we can't rotate Zac in a bit more. Cam's a bit different and will be an occasional stoppage player at the moment.

 

[beardancer]

Seems to me that we're constantly trying to find an A grade midfielder from a group of players that probably aren't. IMHO the half backs/ half forwards that could are Linc, Dev......and at a pinch Cocky. Rainer for mine is a full forward in the Leigh Mathews mold, especially if he grows into the body shape he looks like. With Bailey I think it might be a case of don't mess with perfection. He can be a match winner inside 50. Starce....nah.

 

[Dalions]

Just on Zork's he has looked really hobbled as the game has gone on so I'm not sure he would have the ability to go into the middle at the minute, I believe he had one center bounce in the Collingwood game and looked like he could barely get out of second gear. Really liked what Bailey did in his limited midfield minutes as well but he's so dangerous up forward. It feels like we've changed our core midfield group every game so far with Neale being the only one that hasn't been taken out. I'd like to see what a main midfield group of Neale, McCluggage and Bailey could do for a game.

I agree re-Zorko.
He is not midfield ready.
Maybe later in the year, after the bye if his calf has time to heal which is probably doubtful if he keeps playing.

 

[Nunez]

The challenge for me is that neither Bailey or Rayner are particularly effective. Bailey's tackling and game awareness is an issue. When he gets the clearance, it's awesome. But he's hit and miss and when the opposition gets it, he's fairly ineffective. And we've discussed a fair bit that Rayner's not where he needs to be.

So we're damned if we do and damned if we don't at the moment. We want more midfield minutes for those guys but they are a bit of a liability at times.

It's a tricky one that's for sure. I'm definitely finding myself in the "get another midfielder" in camp and hope Dev Robertson can be that mid. We wouldn't want to leak another 50+ inside 50s again this week.

 

[mattsmob]

I agree re-Zorko.
He is not midfield ready.
Maybe later in the year, after the bye if his calf has time to heal which is probably doubtful if he keeps playing.

Once Coleman is back I'm all for giving him a week or two off to try and get right, I think it'd be worth playing a couple games without him in the team to see how critical he actually is off halfback or if we can afford to move him back into the mid/fwd role.

 

[davemc_lions]

Once Coleman is back I'm all for giving him a week or two off to try and get right, I think it'd be worth playing a couple games without him in the team to see how critical he actually is off halfback or if we can afford to move him back into the mid/fwd role.

With Zorko.. Not sure as others said he can do the mid minutes on a bad foot.
He is playing as a link player out of backline and hobbling around.
When Kiddy comes back I be tempted Starc or Answerth up the ground to rotate wing/mid. Maybe Zorko short bursts if he gets pace back

 

[martinson]

With Zorko.. Not sure as others said he can do the mid minutes on a bad foot.
He is playing as a link player out of backline and hobbling around.
When Kiddy comes back I be tempted Starc or Answerth up the ground to rotate wing/mid. Maybe Zorko short bursts if he gets pace back

I just love Zorks in the back half . And probably concede with pushing him into the middle in short bursts. If he's up to it . Which he definitely isn't at the moment .

It seems we're still grappling with what our M/F looks like over the course of a game and whatever that is it isn't really working effectively enough presently to consistently win big games imo. We have 2 guys in T Berry and Dev not knocking the door down in the minds of the coaches but obviously in the next echelon who need to be tried at some point. Particularly if we start losing games.

The problem I see is guys like Bailey ,Rayner and Cocky seem a bit confused themselves as to what they should be doing whenever they get M/F time .Or can't do it right now. And we're still not committed to the wings although it seems Clug may get more M/F time from now on.

At least we do have options . Just need one or two to really step up and complement Neale and Lyons who carry most of the clearance responsibility.

 

[ZoBlitz]

I had on of the many football panel shows on last night where I wasn't particularly paying attention but apparently this season we've improved from being the 10th best side in transitioning from the defensive 50 to a forward 50 entry to being the first and the argument was that Zorko was the one who was making the difference on that front. I only really saw the graphic so didn't hear the short discussion about it but food for thought in terms of where to play Zorko.