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Rocky re-broke all 3.
Rocky re-broke all 3.
Review Round 9, 2015 - Brisbane Lions vs St Kilda
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For realsies?
Viceregal
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So only another five possible injuries from this game ... did our players and coaching staff have a party at the beginning of the year where they ritually mocked the footy injury gods or something????
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My two cents:
- Lester great, don't htink he should play forward though he is kicking goals as he gets matched up like a midfielder. If he played forward he'd get a different match up against a third tall defender and struggle.
- bundy very disappointing. Dropped two sitters that created pressure on us and missed two goals he should have kicked for a player of his quality. Someone said on page 1/2 of this thread his basic errors really lower his I out and I agree.
- good to see taylor at least getting the ball, needs more compusre with it
- Adcock had a shocker was caught with the ball 3 times and I think all three resulted in goals (or at least scores)
- bewick just makes such dumb decisions too often to stay in the team. That play were he was running through the middle and twice hand passed it into the traffic while someone on his other side was free was killer (and the turnover resulted in a goal)
- aish at least threw himself into a few contests today still below his best.
- leuenberger needs to not just stop the opposition marking it but crash the pack physically so that they can't just run away with the ball. Thought brown was very generous in commentary today for leueie.
- Zorko unbelievably disappointing. Missed so many tackles today and just didn't have much game awareness to man up or other little things to slow them down
- green had 7 tackles (out of team total of 40) he will struggle to get into games without a marking target to crumb off.
- Dawson just not up to it at this point. Was basically anonymous at both ends of the ground.
- thought harwood looked good - big shame he went out early in th second.
Having said all the above mainly negative things if Riewoldt was in our team today we'd probably have won. Just having no talls with any experience to compete regularly inside 50 is a killer.
Fingers crossed freeman, mcstay and merritt are back available for senior selection soon.
Mayes and hanley to replace bewick/Dawson would be great too.
- Lester great, don't htink he should play forward though he is kicking goals as he gets matched up like a midfielder. If he played forward he'd get a different match up against a third tall defender and struggle.
- bundy very disappointing. Dropped two sitters that created pressure on us and missed two goals he should have kicked for a player of his quality. Someone said on page 1/2 of this thread his basic errors really lower his I out and I agree.
- good to see taylor at least getting the ball, needs more compusre with it
- Adcock had a shocker was caught with the ball 3 times and I think all three resulted in goals (or at least scores)
- bewick just makes such dumb decisions too often to stay in the team. That play were he was running through the middle and twice hand passed it into the traffic while someone on his other side was free was killer (and the turnover resulted in a goal)
- aish at least threw himself into a few contests today still below his best.
- leuenberger needs to not just stop the opposition marking it but crash the pack physically so that they can't just run away with the ball. Thought brown was very generous in commentary today for leueie.
- Zorko unbelievably disappointing. Missed so many tackles today and just didn't have much game awareness to man up or other little things to slow them down
- green had 7 tackles (out of team total of 40) he will struggle to get into games without a marking target to crumb off.
- Dawson just not up to it at this point. Was basically anonymous at both ends of the ground.
- thought harwood looked good - big shame he went out early in th second.
Having said all the above mainly negative things if Riewoldt was in our team today we'd probably have won. Just having no talls with any experience to compete regularly inside 50 is a killer.
Fingers crossed freeman, mcstay and merritt are back available for senior selection soon.
Mayes and hanley to replace bewick/Dawson would be great too.
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Well this can go to hell.
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What happened today is simply a case of the youngest list in the comp playing with a multitude of injuries and then losing another 3-4 in the game and your skipper has a broken rib. You really can't expect to be winning games no matter who the opposition is. We all took great delight in beating Collingwood at the MCG last year but they were decimated by injuries before and during the match and they couldn't go with us.
Today would have been a totally different result if Hanley Merrett Redden Mayes Gardiner McStay Close were in the side. In fact i think if we had 3/4 of those guys today we would have won comfortably.
Our first quarter was a little glimpse of what kind of football we can play in the future. Quick ball movement and moving through the corridor. We were never going to be able to sustain it and once the injuries set in it was never going to finish well. The effort was there and it must be just as frustrating for the players and coaching staff as it for us supporters. A young side decimated by injuries - is not allowing us to play at our best.
I'm guessing at the start of the year if we had said our forward set up was Berger at FF and Dawson on the flanks and the mozzies we wouldn't have expected much. Thankfully Lester played the best game of his career. He has really stepped up in past month and established himself as a player who win centre clearances and can go forward and kick goals and take a good mark. His confidence must be super high and out of disappointing year to date efforts like Ryan's give us hope for the future.
Finally Dayne Beams was amazing and what a great player we have picked up and to think we had a stupid article in the herald sun today quoting Nick Maxwell as saying in time Collingwood will look back on this deal and say they came out big winners. Your never a big winner when you lose a player of Beams ability. You do the best you can with what your dealt.
Today would have been a totally different result if Hanley Merrett Redden Mayes Gardiner McStay Close were in the side. In fact i think if we had 3/4 of those guys today we would have won comfortably.
Our first quarter was a little glimpse of what kind of football we can play in the future. Quick ball movement and moving through the corridor. We were never going to be able to sustain it and once the injuries set in it was never going to finish well. The effort was there and it must be just as frustrating for the players and coaching staff as it for us supporters. A young side decimated by injuries - is not allowing us to play at our best.
I'm guessing at the start of the year if we had said our forward set up was Berger at FF and Dawson on the flanks and the mozzies we wouldn't have expected much. Thankfully Lester played the best game of his career. He has really stepped up in past month and established himself as a player who win centre clearances and can go forward and kick goals and take a good mark. His confidence must be super high and out of disappointing year to date efforts like Ryan's give us hope for the future.
Finally Dayne Beams was amazing and what a great player we have picked up and to think we had a stupid article in the herald sun today quoting Nick Maxwell as saying in time Collingwood will look back on this deal and say they came out big winners. Your never a big winner when you lose a player of Beams ability. You do the best you can with what your dealt.
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So Rockliff will be out for a while now?
Ceebee
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Well said.
Poor Rocky. What can you say. He must be shattered how this year has turned out.
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Lots of people blaming Burton but Rocky has broken his ribs in every game I've attended this season. I was also present when Merrett broke his leg, Rich and West did their ACLs and Brown received his final concussion.
Don't worry I'm definitely not attending anymore Brisbane games this season
Don't worry I'm definitely not attending anymore Brisbane games this season
A year like this can only breed stronger character for the future you would like to think. We have had the most horrendous run with injuries with only the Suns having it worse. During seasons like this you can learn a lot about your list. Who wants to stand up and who has the ability to play well week in week out in a struggling side. In time i hope we can look back at 2015 and say it was a tough year but it was the making of a very good side.
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I wondered why we looked like we were exhausted in the second half and now i read about all those injuries.
Gallant effort not to have a blow out score and it was plain to see the boys were trying hard.
That said, i felt the second quarter was still inexcuseable. I dont think fitness would have been a problem at the start which is when the goals were flowing.
However the first quarter was exquisite, and i would love to see us play at with that intent for a whole game with a full(ish) squad.
Lester is really syarting to mature and starting to play like the player many hoped he'd be on a consistent basis. His set shots wrre execellent and is showing the versatility that Leppa loves in a player.
Nick Robbo gets better each week. Love watching him play.
Dayne Beams and Stef Martin are all class and will be hot faves to win our B&F this year
Would also love just one season with an injury list in single digits. Bloody hell this is frustrating.
Nevertheless we are still showing glimpses and i am still happy with our development.
Go Lions!
Gallant effort not to have a blow out score and it was plain to see the boys were trying hard.
That said, i felt the second quarter was still inexcuseable. I dont think fitness would have been a problem at the start which is when the goals were flowing.
However the first quarter was exquisite, and i would love to see us play at with that intent for a whole game with a full(ish) squad.
Lester is really syarting to mature and starting to play like the player many hoped he'd be on a consistent basis. His set shots wrre execellent and is showing the versatility that Leppa loves in a player.
Nick Robbo gets better each week. Love watching him play.
Dayne Beams and Stef Martin are all class and will be hot faves to win our B&F this year
Would also love just one season with an injury list in single digits. Bloody hell this is frustrating.
Nevertheless we are still showing glimpses and i am still happy with our development.
Go Lions!
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You could probably say that about the lasst 5 years. Consistently young, injured, inconsistent etc.
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Our injury list team
B: Gardiner Merrett Adcock
HB: Harwood Maguire C Beams
C: McGrath Rockliff (c) Mayes
HF: McGuane Staker Paine
F: Freeman Close McStay
R: West Redden P Hanley (vc)
Bench: C Hanley
Tall forward line
B: Gardiner Merrett Adcock
HB: Harwood Maguire C Beams
C: McGrath Rockliff (c) Mayes
HF: McGuane Staker Paine
F: Freeman Close McStay
R: West Redden P Hanley (vc)
Bench: C Hanley
Tall forward line
- Oct 20, 2012
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geeez the way the first quarter was going we thought a 100 point win was on, but we just lost our structure in the 2nd quarter too many teams we were no longer finding space, just bombing it long for an easy pick up by the saints (we had 0 forwards to make a contest).
Their rebound killed us we absolutely had no answer, we just dont seem to have the speed and all to compete with most teams right now.
Dan Rich in the 2nd quarter i remember before his shot on goal saying if he misses this it wont be our day because he normally nails these, and just like that we just never really competed maybe except for 5 minutes in the 4th quarter.
The misses by leunberger and beams were also huge momentum killers, and lewis taylor was very disapointing he would often just demand the ball and go nowhere and put the other player in more pressure by passing it back, these are things i remember quigley pointing out predraft and he was very right about them.
The umpires were bloody horrible every call went against us, numerous pushes in the back, numerous holding calls going against us, gee never really felt so flat leaving the gabba before absolutely dismal
Their rebound killed us we absolutely had no answer, we just dont seem to have the speed and all to compete with most teams right now.
Dan Rich in the 2nd quarter i remember before his shot on goal saying if he misses this it wont be our day because he normally nails these, and just like that we just never really competed maybe except for 5 minutes in the 4th quarter.
The misses by leunberger and beams were also huge momentum killers, and lewis taylor was very disapointing he would often just demand the ball and go nowhere and put the other player in more pressure by passing it back, these are things i remember quigley pointing out predraft and he was very right about them.
The umpires were bloody horrible every call went against us, numerous pushes in the back, numerous holding calls going against us, gee never really felt so flat leaving the gabba before absolutely dismal
Quite clearly you have no concept of the pain of a broken rib.
Rocky is a great leader and bleeds for the club . We're in a world of pain right now with the injury list and what we don't need is people taking cheap shots at our players who are doing their best.
They tried really hard today . Sometimes circumstances make the task impossible
Taylor's a second year player who's 19 years old and gets a heap of the ball.
Give him the opportunity to learn about the game.
Crikey , give the guy a break ,he's running his guts out ,you expect him to come in and pinpoint passes forward of the field when there's no one at all leading to him.
Taylor will be a star ,he's a very promising player
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Some observations:
The light at the end of the tunnel is still very distant but it is there. We are getting experiences into young players that don't pay off for another few years - but then they potentially pay off in a big way.
Andrews - a first year player who is making mistakes but showing what we need from him: potential to develop into a very good player. Every game into him now is valuable.
Clarke - he seems like a veteran now he has been trying to hold our defence together for so long. Important to remember that he would, in better circumstances be a young player surrounded by other tall, experienced, tough defenders to learn from. In our team, that's him!
Dawson - getting experience, making mistakes, he will get better as he learns what it's all about.
Lester - I doubted he would ever be a permanent best 22 player. Now I think he might. Really improved and has great presence in the air and around the ball. Given our current injuries, he has time now to cement his spot, but beyond that, if he keeps developing he can become an important part of where we are headed.
Taylor - I think he is learning about what he can do and how best to contribute. He makes mistakes but I think the mistakes he makes now pay dividends in a couple of years time.
Zorko - having a tough season. He just has to fight through it. Always tries but just not achieving enough at the moment.
Christensen - a big gap between his best and worst. Really needs to tidy up his hands and disposal. Underwhelming rather than disappointing.
Harwood - love seeing him in the team. He and Lester might be coming of age as quality players. And they are exactly what we need.
Robertson - still learning but turning into a reliable hard working performer each week. As his strength and fitness build and he improves technique I think he could really establish himself in this comp.
Robinson - seems somewhat a whipping boy in this parts but I have never had cause to question his heart or effort. He makes his share of mistakes, granted, but right now, until someone comes along to be comprehensively a better option, his toughness and real effort gets him a start for mine.
Rich - he seems to get criticised as soft or lazy but I saw two acts near my wing today where he gut ran to get to a contest and defused the situation when they were about to run into their 50. A rare player with the ball in space.
Paparone - something tells me that our early persistence with him for seemingly little return might actually end up producing a great payout. He is unexceptional yet paradoxically very hard to define because he is so unlike most players. As our team matures and develops, this might be the man opposition coaches fear the most because he is so hard to match up on. He could become the sweeping, intercepting defender that ruins opposition attacking plans time after time. Keep playing him and let him develop.
Rockliff - playing injured and you'd still have him out there. The man is tough. Watching him run in the fourth quarter to be an option when barely able to stand upright and do it three times in a row - he is the guy I want leading my team.
We are missing Redden enormously and I would go as far as saying with him out there three or four of their goals would have been stopped by a Redden tackle or pressure back in the centre square. We are missing Hanley and his instinctive running, we are missing Merrett and his size and strength at the back. Those three alone would have changed that game.
Got to keep heading through the tunnel until we get to the other end. But we will.
The light at the end of the tunnel is still very distant but it is there. We are getting experiences into young players that don't pay off for another few years - but then they potentially pay off in a big way.
Andrews - a first year player who is making mistakes but showing what we need from him: potential to develop into a very good player. Every game into him now is valuable.
Clarke - he seems like a veteran now he has been trying to hold our defence together for so long. Important to remember that he would, in better circumstances be a young player surrounded by other tall, experienced, tough defenders to learn from. In our team, that's him!
Dawson - getting experience, making mistakes, he will get better as he learns what it's all about.
Lester - I doubted he would ever be a permanent best 22 player. Now I think he might. Really improved and has great presence in the air and around the ball. Given our current injuries, he has time now to cement his spot, but beyond that, if he keeps developing he can become an important part of where we are headed.
Taylor - I think he is learning about what he can do and how best to contribute. He makes mistakes but I think the mistakes he makes now pay dividends in a couple of years time.
Zorko - having a tough season. He just has to fight through it. Always tries but just not achieving enough at the moment.
Christensen - a big gap between his best and worst. Really needs to tidy up his hands and disposal. Underwhelming rather than disappointing.
Harwood - love seeing him in the team. He and Lester might be coming of age as quality players. And they are exactly what we need.
Robertson - still learning but turning into a reliable hard working performer each week. As his strength and fitness build and he improves technique I think he could really establish himself in this comp.
Robinson - seems somewhat a whipping boy in this parts but I have never had cause to question his heart or effort. He makes his share of mistakes, granted, but right now, until someone comes along to be comprehensively a better option, his toughness and real effort gets him a start for mine.
Rich - he seems to get criticised as soft or lazy but I saw two acts near my wing today where he gut ran to get to a contest and defused the situation when they were about to run into their 50. A rare player with the ball in space.
Paparone - something tells me that our early persistence with him for seemingly little return might actually end up producing a great payout. He is unexceptional yet paradoxically very hard to define because he is so unlike most players. As our team matures and develops, this might be the man opposition coaches fear the most because he is so hard to match up on. He could become the sweeping, intercepting defender that ruins opposition attacking plans time after time. Keep playing him and let him develop.
Rockliff - playing injured and you'd still have him out there. The man is tough. Watching him run in the fourth quarter to be an option when barely able to stand upright and do it three times in a row - he is the guy I want leading my team.
We are missing Redden enormously and I would go as far as saying with him out there three or four of their goals would have been stopped by a Redden tackle or pressure back in the centre square. We are missing Hanley and his instinctive running, we are missing Merrett and his size and strength at the back. Those three alone would have changed that game.
Got to keep heading through the tunnel until we get to the other end. But we will.
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i no doubt his promise and potential but these are issues in his game highlighted pre drafting and they do come out from time to time, so we shouldnt point it out and overlook them?
Anus horribilis.
karix
Yarrr!
I'm guessing your quoting me but talking to jackness? I'm on the same side of the argument as you. I knew about the broken rib when writing my post, but didn't expect jackness to acknowledge the rib could be a factor so I wanted to address his original argument.
karix
Yarrr!
I've been seeing this traditional Chinese therapist/bone setter to help accelerate the healing of my own broken ribs from footy. I asked him if there were any conditioning exercises I could do to strength my rib cage and chest wall to reduce the chances of a broken ribs in future (a 120kg full forward dropped his knees into my back after I tackled one of his crumbers).. he told me the best exercise I could do to avoid broken ribs was 'not play football'
