Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay Pt 2 *Pilot Greg Lynn Guilty for the Murder of Carol Clay

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1 Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

DPP v Lynn [2024] VSCA 62 (12 April 2024) INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL​

R v Lynn (Rulings 1-4) [2024] VSC 373 (28 June 2024)​

R v Lynn (Rulings 5 & 6) [2024] VSC 375 (28 February 2024)

R v Lynn (Ruling 7) [2024] VSC 376 (8 May 2024)

The Greg Lynn Police Interview Tapes (Shortened Version)

The 3.5 HR Police Interview

THREADS FOR THE HIGH COUNTRY DISAPPEARED
High Country Disappearance of Prison Boss David Prideaux
The Disappearance of Warren Meyer

2008 - Warren Meyer (23 March 2008) not found
2010 - Japp and Annie Viergever (29 March 2010) both shot & 3 dogs, house burnt.
2011 - David Prideaux (5 June 2011) not found
2017 - Kevin Tenant (17 February 2018) shot 3 times, played dead.
2019 - Conrad Whitlock (29 July 2019) not found
2019 - Niels Becker (24 October 2019) not found
2020 - Russell Hill and Carol Clay (20 March 2020) murdered

Lynn's first wife Lisa, was found dead on 26 October 1999.

 

[Terrafirma]

Remarkable how law works one case they can be found guilty on the balance of probabilities with close to no evidence and another the guy can burn the bodies doing everything he can do cover it up and get found not guilty.

Agreed but in this instance the jury believed there was an altercation between Lynn & Hill where Hill dies. There is no evidence of how Hill dies. Lynn then realizes that there is a witness in Clay and shoots her dead. A shotgun slug with her DNA matter is found at the camp. So the jury believes Lynn had intent to kill as the motive was to eliminate the only witness. The difference here is subtle in that the jury believes Hill participated in the altercation. The story Lynn presented to the jury re Clay's death was deemed a lie and I think we all agreed. But as to the burning of the bodies what happened was Judge Croucher knew that if Lynn was found guilty of murder and his actions afterwards were used to find him guilty there would be an appeal and he would win that because his actions afterwards do not prove guilt in the essence of criminal law. So there are lot's of things going on here with the trial and yes it is very very unique. Before the trial the judge said there wasn't enough evidence to prove murder so he offered Man Slaughter however the Prosecution said NO it wasn't MS it was murder. The Pros appealed the Judge's decision and the Judge was found to be wrong and so the trial for murder went ahead. If an appeal is likely the defense must now zoom in on aspects of the trial that weren't in accordance with the law and we know the Pros made some mistakes.

 

[Terrafirma]

Not even Greg Lynn could kill this thread.

Hilarious.! Didn't think of that but you nailed it.

 

[FrankGrimes]

Rubbish

Herald-Sun just he is likely to be... what makes you think he wont?

 

[TapRuck]

It was fascinating watching the ROI. His lack of emotion/humanity didn't help his case. It was very matter-of-fact, maybe too much so. The way he described his decision-making process was extremely cold, almost robotic. Going against his solicitor's instructions was an outrageous move. From the ROI alone we are either looking at the world's unluckiest/awkward communicator or a cold-blooded killer.

The law gives people like GL every chance to wriggle and squirm their way back out into public life. More often than not, it does it's job and puts them behind bars.

There are many lessons to take from this sad and sorry case. In this day and age, we are taught to stand up for ourselves and speak our truth. Sometimes the best option is to say nothing and walk away. We don't need to "win" every argument in life. There is nothing wrong with learning and moving on. Almost always, these moments become great stories and things we laugh about.

If GL could go back, I wonder if he would have done things differently. Maybe he could've joked about the drone and had a beer or two with RH and CC. Or maybe he would've spent more time cleaning the scene and taken better care regarding the extra phone.

Thanks to all for your legal and psychological insights over the journey so far. I've thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Every opinion counts!

 

[Terrafirma]

If GL could go back, I wonder if he would have done things differently. Maybe he could've joked about the drone and had a beer or two with RH and CC. Or maybe he would've spent more time cleaning the scene and taken better care regarding the extra phone.

Thanks to all for your legal and psychological insights over the journey so far. I've thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Every opinion counts!

I think what got Lynn to this point was mostly his personality and his past. His past suggests he doesn't tolerate any noise or lack of control. He has a warped mind that controls his actions. Perhaps it was something in his upbringing. Covid played a small part as In understand he took up bee keeping during Covid and was stung which affected his heart. He then failed Pilot med examinations. If you believe in Karma and what is suggested about his past, his treatment of his 1st wife, pets and animals etc then he deserved time in jail for his actions but it took this for it to come to fruition. You can't undo time and the deaths of Clay and Hill were not warranted and I believe if we were camped next to Clay & Hill they'd still be alive today.

 

[Lady O]

Agreed but in this instance the jury believed there was an altercation between Lynn & Hill where Hill dies. There is no evidence of how Hill dies. Lynn then realizes that there is a witness in Clay and shoots her dead. A shotgun slug with her DNA matter is found at the camp. So the jury believes Lynn had intent to kill as the motive was to eliminate the only witness. The difference here is subtle in that the jury believes Hill participated in the altercation. The story Lynn presented to the jury re Clay's death was deemed a lie and I think we all agreed. But as to the burning of the bodies what happened was Judge Croucher knew that if Lynn was found guilty of murder and his actions afterwards were used to find him guilty there would be an appeal and he would win that because his actions afterwards do not prove guilt in the essence of criminal law. So there are lot's of things going on here with the trial and yes it is very very unique. Before the trial the judge said there wasn't enough evidence to prove murder so he offered Man Slaughter however the Prosecution said NO it wasn't MS it was murder. The Pros appealed the Judge's decision and the Judge was found to be wrong and so the trial for murder went ahead. If an appeal is likely the defense must now zoom in on aspects of the trial that weren't in accordance with the law and we know the Pros made some mistakes.

The more we find out, the less likely it seems that Lynn's story is more than slightly accurate.

Their first encounter was "cordial" apparently. Lynn said he told them when they asked about camping in the same area, "it's a free country", meaning he wasn't bothered that they were camping close.

Their second encounter was apparently when Lynn approached Hill at his camp and demanded to know what the drone was about. For all we know, Hill may not have even been targeting Lynn. Lynn's paranoia may have kicked in if he had been doing something that he didn't want to come to light. Lynn makes it about Hill saying he was going to report him for hunting near the camp (which of course Lynn denies). The story about him losing his CASA card seems fabricated to support his subsequent behaviour.

Their third encounter, was due to Lynn turning up the "most annoying music" he could find. You have to wonder if this was in order to trap Hill into making some move to either turn the music down or, more likely to ask Lynn to do it, thereby 'causing' an argument and giving Lynn an excuse to elevate this to violence.

Thereafter Lynn felt justified to go fully "Wolf Creek" and attack both Hill and Clay, murder them, destroy their camp and all the evidence, then take the bodies to an isolated area to do goodness knows what.

I don't believe Hill went anywhere near the firearms, as his 'barefoot and in his pyjamas', supported his 'messing around in the tent', but was unlikely with a phone in his pocket . It was simply to place Lynn in Hill's camp where the murders occurred.

In fact, what it appears to me is that Lynn instigated the chain of events that led to him being able to excuse himself for what happened. Reminded me of the pet pig incident.

 

[Kurve]

There was. The turn around at the Abbeyard gate. Forgetting to disable RH's phone was a pretty big one in his possession. There was no need to leave immediately st all, this is what got him in the end.

I don't view those two elements as panic. By the time Hill's phone pinged at Hotham, I could put that down to an error made for lack of sleep.

 

[BFew]

From what I saw of the Lynn Police interviews yesterday, I'd saying he was telling a complete pack of fabricated lies.

Had Carol Clay not been involved in this case at all, I think there's a good chance that Lynn would have been found guilty of murdering Russell Hill by at least 50% of juries. Guilty of murder by a jury, that didn't have a second option (Carol Clay's murder) to send him to prison for a very long time (hopefully).

 

[Kurve]

Does anybody recall reading or hearing word of the police labelling Lynn a "functioning psychopath"?

It probably fits imo but I haven't read it anywhere.

 

[BFew]

Does anybody recall reading or hearing word of the police labelling Lynn a "functioning psychopath"?

It probably fits imo but I haven't read it anywhere.

3 days ago as per the below. Sir_Loin Pamcake1

A lockdown project and a fallen tree: Gregory Lynn’s sliding doors moments

If Gregory Lynn had not kept bees or if a road that crossed the Wonnangatta River was not blocked on the fateful evening, a cool-headed pilot might have got away with murder.

www.theage.com.au

'John Silvester and Erin Pearson
JUNE 26, 2024'

'Police describe Lynn as a functioning psychopath, controlling, a person who could be overwhelmed by waves of rage.'

 

[Kurve]

The police described him as a “functional psychopath”. I think it’s more any threat to GL than anything else, not a random thing.

Cheeky bugger. Damn you made some claims. Where was the “functional psychopath” claim made?

'John Silvester and Erin Pearson
JUNE 26, 2024'

'Police describe Lynn as a functioning psychopath, controlling, a person who could be overwhelmed by waves of rage.'

Sir_Loin

 

[sydney_gws]

?????

Lynn has been convicted of one count of murder; ergo there was enough evidence.


He has been judged guilty of the crimes of which he was charged by a jury of his peers after deliberating on the evidence put to them in an open Court

He can appeal.

You weren't on the jury, so your stated opinion doesn't count

I mean without his story of how they accidentally died and where there bodies where, a jury may not have been convinced of his guilt.
We will never know now.

 

[Pamcake1]

Yes the experts say and appeal is likely.! Off we go again. LOL

It's a gamble that he will or won't take.
It needs to be balanced against the fact that any appeal will cost even more money does he have it and will he risk that.

As I have said before I think there is a good chance that he has done a deal that would include proprietry rights over his story with his legal rep, did that include funding for an appeal?

The article and legal comment therein also needs to be balanced out with the fact that it is coming from sought out comments that are conjecture and not yet fact.

I wondered whether realeasing the Police interview so soon after the verdict is not only about public pressure to do so but is also about insuring that the public condemnation is shored up by seeing it. Anyone seeing the interview would have their truth radar pinging off the charts. That is anyone except the trolls who have had a night out on the town here last night I see.

 

[less than zero]

Their second encounter was apparently when Lynn approached Hill at his camp and demanded to know what the drone was about. For all we know, Hill may not have even been targeting Lynn. Lynn's paranoia may have kicked in if he had been doing something that he didn't want to come to light.

.....like having an intimate moment with his sunscreen

 

[Terrafirma]

It's a gamble that he will or won't take.
It needs to be balanced against the fact that any appeal will cost even more money does he have it and will he risk that.

As I have said before I think there is a good chance that he has done a deal that would include proprietry rights over his story with his legal rep, did that include funding for an appeal?

The article and legal comment therein also needs to be balanced out with the fact that it is coming from sought out comments that are conjecture and not yet fact.

I wondered whether realeasing the Police interview so soon after the verdict is not only about public pressure to do so but is also about insuring that the public condemnation is shored up by seeing it. Anyone seeing the interview would have their truth radar pinging off the charts. That is anyone except the trolls who have had a night out on the town here last night I see.

Well said ..

 

[Terrafirma]

I don't view those two elements as panic. By the time Hill's phone pinged at Hotham, I could put that down to an error made for lack of sleep.

Yeah defintely he had a big night and if he was drinking?

 

[Kurve]

It's a gamble that he will or won't take.
It needs to be balanced against the fact that any appeal will cost even more money does he have it and will he risk that.

Lynn's a gambler IMO, he'll take it. He'll keep going until all avenues are thoroughly exhausted, then if he sees no way out he may kill himself in an ultimate act of control.

 

[thumbs_up]

Yes the experts say and appeal is likely.! Off we go again. LOL

If I was opening a betting market on whether he appeals or not, I'd have him appealing at $1.05. A sure thing.

 

[Pamcake1]

Lynn's a gambler IMO, he'll take it. He'll keep going until all avenues are thoroughly exhausted, then if he sees no way out he may kill himself in an ultimate act of control.

Yes understood, I wonder whether Melanie is going to apply some clutch to his narcisism though.
It did occur to me last night that he would do what IK did when he no longer had control of his destiny.
Hard to know whether his self view is tempered by any consideration for his loved ones feelings.
As in is it complete psychopathic self involvment or extension of self identity through family.
What do you think of the release of the interview tapes?
Is it a way of cutting off any future possibility of another jury sitting on the case?

 

[Royces Hart]

I think he’d rather appeal and use every last cent, in an attempt at freedom, than considering the plight of his family.

 

[BFew]

Is it a way of cutting off any future possibility of another jury sitting on the case?

Or of any possible trial involving the death of his 1st wife.

 

[Pamcake1]

Or of any possible trial involving the death of his 1st wife.

That has to go through the inquest being reopenned first and it's then findings. Apparently his alibi for the night of her death is now in question. With consideration of the time delay and in conducting a fresh investigation it will be a difficult case. It it is very possible that there will be findings of suspicion but will there be evidence enough to bring charges?
Interesting to find out this week that GL inherited the first wife's house and taunted her parents about the fact.
It is also interesting that in the long piece from the ABC that I posted last night, they mention having footage of him being interviewed when Ansett folded. I'd like to see that footage to compare it with the interview. They have a still from it showing a much younger GL.

 

[Underarrest_]

Yes I know Greg, it was definitely an accident, he had no reason to kill those campers.

Russell on the other hand clearly had motive to pick an argument and cause the proposed accident based on numerous substantiated particulars that he had a problem with hunters.

You can disagree with me that’s fine I respect your opinion, but we shouldn’t be convicting people of murder based on probability, that’s not the standard.

Beggars belief that Hill is being blamed for this. In my experience everyone gets cranky but they don’t wind up dead.

Even if you could for moment find that Hill stealing his gun was plausible, somehow Hill and Ms Clay
end up dead and Grego survives (but Hill apparently had the loaded gun.)

If you know him and don’t believe he should be in jail, and he appeals and wins, you’ll be able to sit around the campfire with him toasting marshmallows and talking about old times and past life experiences. Oh what a night!

 

[Terrafirma]

Yes understood, I wonder whether Melanie is going to apply some clutch to his narcisism though.
It did occur to me last night that he would do what IK did when he no longer had control of his destiny.
Hard to know whether his self view is tempered by any consideration for his loved ones feelings.
As in is it complete psychopathic self involvment or extension of self identity through family.
What do you think of the release of the interview tapes?
Is it a way of cutting off any future possibility of another jury sitting on the case?

Ill bet you any amount he hasn't got the guts to kneck himself.!

 

[Lady O]

Ill bet you any amount he hasn't got the guts to kneck himself.!

I guess he could upset someone in the jail and get it done for him!