Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay Pt 2 *Pilot Greg Lynn Guilty for the Murder of Carol Clay

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1 Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

DPP v Lynn [2024] VSCA 62 (12 April 2024) INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL​

R v Lynn (Rulings 1-4) [2024] VSC 373 (28 June 2024)​

R v Lynn (Rulings 5 & 6) [2024] VSC 375 (28 February 2024)

R v Lynn (Ruling 7) [2024] VSC 376 (8 May 2024)

The Greg Lynn Police Interview Tapes (Shortened Version)

The 3.5 HR Police Interview

THREADS FOR THE HIGH COUNTRY DISAPPEARED
High Country Disappearance of Prison Boss David Prideaux
The Disappearance of Warren Meyer

2008 - Warren Meyer (23 March 2008) not found
2010 - Japp and Annie Viergever (29 March 2010) both shot & 3 dogs, house burnt.
2011 - David Prideaux (5 June 2011) not found
2017 - Kevin Tenant (17 February 2018) shot 3 times, played dead.
2019 - Conrad Whitlock (29 July 2019) not found
2019 - Niels Becker (24 October 2019) not found
2020 - Russell Hill and Carol Clay (20 March 2020) murdered

Lynn's first wife Lisa, was found dead on 26 October 1999.

 

[Zidane98]

There were no signs of panic there, he got straight to work somewhat like Dexter might have.

There was. The turn around at the Abbeyard gate. Forgetting to disable RH's phone was a pretty big one in his possession. There was no need to leave immediately st all, this is what got him in the end.

 

[Quiet_Reading]

Hi Everyone,

I haven’t posted here in ages, but I have been reading & it’s all been pretty incredible, thank you to everyone, including people who took the time to attend the Court Case.

While GL & his Legal team appear to be very smart operators, & there appeared to be some risk he would get off on the murder charges, it’s relieving to see he was at least found guilty on one charge of Murder. It appears a lot was inadmissible.

That’s really no consolation for Mrs Hill, who seems to be a very humble and forgiving lady (in relation to CC & her husband’s secret relationship). It looks like Carol & Russell’s families may be supportive of each other issuing a joint statement after the Jury’s findings, which is a good thing.

It’s unfathomable that he could have potentially gotten off after what he had admitted to doing to this couple & the lengths he went to destroy their bodies & evidence & the suffering faced by both CC & RH families not knowing what happened to them both for so long. That is incredibly cruel on GL’s part, just thinking of himself.

For the police, they did the best they could in these difficult circumstances with destruction of evidence & a hotshot legal team, & GL himself who is clearly very cunning & manipulative.

He does appear to be an abusive Narcissist after all the things that now are able to be put out there following the verdict, probably as many of us suspected but really didn’t want to comment on under sub judice. It was really glowing through strongly in his actions & words. Incredibly telling!

I feel incredibly sorry for all the families, including his children (the pain on those boys faces), & Geordie is such a brave Lad to attend court on his own on the day the verdict was handed down. GL current wife must have put 2 & 2 together at some point & realised it was her husband that was under suspicion (besides the laughing like a hyena thing the judge said, how do any of us know if he wasn’t abusive to ML also unless he was getting what he wanted, maybe she herself was scared at the time?).

I 100% believe that ML was more concerned about impending lockdowns for COVID at the time, prepping for that & how to feed your family, let alone losing your income as both worked in the airline industry & also her husband’s health being on medical leave. Yep I’m sure we all remember the toilet paper issues, it was absolutely insane. Couldn’t even get tissues or napkins, but that wouldn’t have been an issue for a bushy bloke…that preoccupation may have been quite convenient for him at the time. Personally, if it’s your family, you would expect some kind of teamwork in a marriage & a crisis such as COVID lockdowns impending & maybe ML was used to her husband being selfish & pissing off on his “Wolf Creek” trips, the family joked about, so had to do it all on her own.

The actions with painting the 4WD & removing the canopy, getting rid of the trailer (Rego never transferred, so yeah I think that was also a Furphy, I think he dumped it) etc later on, I would have started getting very Suss as a wife, plus all the rumours that would have been flying around at work (see Pprunes), it must have been awful for ML. Then the apparent argument b4 he left for the HC & was arrested. I think he knew his time was up.

Your whole History as a child & world as you know it would be turned on its head for GL’s kids, I hope the media leave them all alone now. They would have enough to deal with, and now questions about their Mother’s death…makes you wonder if any kind of relationship with Maternal Grandparents was allowed for his kids by GL?

Lisa Lynn’s coronial inquest being re-opened, which I think is absolutely needed (doesn’t make sense her death when the children 1yo & 3yo) & also the woman GL was with in Doha that also disappeared…it’s like anything that threatened his Narcissistic persona & narrative of his Status & good standing in society either has disappeared or deceased.

The police described him as a “functional psychopath”. I think it’s more any threat to GL than anything else, not a random thing.

I don’t believe this is his first Rodeo either**************

Take care people, but the pain on so many people’s faces after that jury’s verdict in the media, it’s so sad & that hasn’t left my thoughts about this case. It may be now the Hill & Clay families are left to heal following the Sentencing hearing (I hope it’s maximum plus all the macabre things he did afterwards). The Lynn family are now going to go through more it seems, they haven’t done anything wrong, maybe just coming to terms with things, who knows, but I hope they also have a lot of support, because this isn’t the end of this clearly. I also think a whole heap more will come out now.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Hi Everyone,

I haven’t posted here in ages, but I have been reading & it’s all been pretty incredible, thank you to everyone, including people who took the time to attend the Court Case.

While GL & his Legal team appear to be very smart operators, & there appeared to be some risk he would get off on the murder charges, it’s relieving to see he was at least found guilty on one charge of Murder. It appears a lot was inadmissible.

That’s really no consolation for Mrs Hill, who seems to be a very humble and forgiving lady (in relation to CC & her husband’s secret relationship). It looks like Carol & Russell’s families may be supportive of each other issuing a joint statement after the Jury’s findings, which is a good thing.

It’s unfathomable that he could have potentially gotten off after what he had admitted to doing to this couple & the lengths he went to destroy their bodies & evidence & the suffering faced by both CC & RH families not knowing what happened to them both for so long. That is incredibly cruel on GL’s part, just thinking of himself.

For the police, they did the best they could in these difficult circumstances with destruction of evidence & a hotshot legal team, & GL himself who is clearly very cunning & manipulative.

He does appear to be an abusive Narcissist after all the things that now are able to be put out there following the verdict, probably as many of us suspected but really didn’t want to comment on under sub judice. It was really glowing through strongly in his actions & words. Incredibly telling!

I feel incredibly sorry for all the families, including his children (the pain on those boys faces), & Geordie is such a brave Lad to attend court on his own on the day the verdict was handed down. GL current wife must have put 2 & 2 together at some point & realised it was her husband that was under suspicion (besides the laughing like a hyena thing the judge said, how do any of us know if he wasn’t abusive to ML also unless he was getting what he wanted, maybe she herself was scared at the time?).

I 100% believe that ML was more concerned about impending lockdowns for COVID at the time, prepping for that & how to feed your family, let alone losing your income as both worked in the airline industry & also her husband’s health being on medical leave. Yep I’m sure we all remember the toilet paper issues, it was absolutely insane. Couldn’t even get tissues or napkins, but that wouldn’t have been an issue for a bushy bloke…that preoccupation may have been quite convenient for him at the time. Personally, if it’s your family, you would expect some kind of teamwork in a marriage & a crisis such as COVID lockdowns impending & maybe ML was used to her husband being selfish & pissing off on his “Wolf Creek” trips, the family joked about, so had to do it all on her own.

The actions with painting the 4WD & removing the canopy, getting rid of the trailer (Rego never transferred, so yeah I think that was also a Furphy, I think he dumped it) etc later on, I would have started getting very Suss as a wife, plus all the rumours that would have been flying around at work (see Pprunes), it must have been awful for ML. Then the apparent argument b4 he left for the HC & was arrested. I think he knew his time was up.

Your whole History as a child & world as you know it would be turned on its head for GL’s kids, I hope the media leave them all alone now. They would have enough to deal with, and now questions about their Mother’s death…makes you wonder if any kind of relationship with Maternal Grandparents was allowed for his kids by GL?

Lisa Lynn’s coronial inquest being re-opened, which I think is absolutely needed (doesn’t make sense her death when the children 1yo & 3yo) & also the woman GL was with in Doha that also disappeared…it’s like anything that threatened his Narcissistic persona & narrative of his Status & good standing in society either has disappeared or deceased.

The police described him as a “functional psychopath”. I think it’s more any threat to GL than anything else, not a random thing.

I don’t believe this is his first Rodeo either *********

Take care people, but the pain on so many people’s faces after that jury’s verdict in the media, it’s so sad & that hasn’t left my thoughts about this case. It may be now the Hill & Clay families are left to heal following the Sentencing hearing (I hope it’s maximum plus all the macabre things he did afterwards). The Lynn family are now going to go through more it seems, they haven’t done anything wrong, maybe just coming to terms with things, who knows, but I hope they also have a lot of support, because this isn’t the end of this clearly. I also think a whole heap more will come out now.

Hope your short term memory can bring yourself to forgive as your post herein asks.

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Cheeky bugger. Damn you made some claims. Where was the “functional psychopath” claim made?

Kenoath feels like someone put some wacky shite into ChatGPT and this is what came out

 

[Quiet_Reading]

Hope your short term memory can bring yourself to forgive as your post herein asks.

Post in thread 'Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder'
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Cheeky bugger

No, that is what was being discussed at the time. I am not a ‘cheeky bugger’ and you can now see in hindsight why the Defense used all of this…it’s all out now. I don’t believe RH instigated anything, apart from flying his drone & taking photos possibly a bit of verbal afterwards when GL most likely confronted him, not the other way around.

 

[sydney_gws]

As appalling as this is, I don't see why Lynn confessed to accidentally killing them and then disposing of their bodies. The evidence was pretty flimsy otherwise.
The phone didn't need to be explained in my view, that wasn't enough evidence to convict him.

 

[Sir_Loin]

As appalling as this is, I don't see why Lynn confessed to accidentally killing them and then disposing of their bodies. The evidence was pretty flimsy otherwise.
The phone didn't need to be explained in mu view, that wasn't enough evidence to convict him.

Why would he have his phone? RH is dead at this point. What, found it on the side of the road and took it?

 

[Quiet_Reading]

Hope your short term memory can bring yourself to forgive as your post herein asks.

Post in thread 'Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder'
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...ds-not-guilty-to-murder.1239870/post-83724194

Cheeky bugger. Damn you made some claims. Where was the “functional psychopath” claim made?

Kenoath feels like someone put some wacky shite into ChatGPT and this is what came out

In Australia we use the Kings. It’s defence not defense.

Do you know what the Kings is?

I believe at the time it was Queen’s Council. I think you are way off with your posts thinking it’s AI, there are programmes you can run posts through if you think they aren’t by human beings & have some empathy for all people affected in this case, including disclosing your own feelings.

Maybe that is probably why a lot of people stop posting here, because of people like you. Yes I live in AUS. I am also a human being.

 

[thumbs_up]

As appalling as this is, I don't see why Lynn confessed to accidentally killing them and then disposing of their bodies. The evidence was pretty flimsy otherwise.
The phone didn't need to be explained in mu view, that wasn't enough evidence to convict him.

I dare say he thought he could out think the police. Would match his personality type.

 

[thumbs_up]

There's something about GL that reminds me of Walter White from breaking bad at times. Thinks he's smarter and superior to everyone else. Thinks he can talk/reason his way out of any predicament.

 

[Sir_Loin]

I believe at the time it was Queen’s Council. I think you are way off with your posts thinking it’s AI, there are programmes you can run posts through if you think they aren’t by human beings & have some empathy for all people affected in this case, including disclosing your own feelings.

Maybe that is probably why a lot of people stop posting here, because of people like you. Yes I live in AUS. I am also a human being.

That’s a great answer

 

[Pamcake1]

Here's what will happen if Greg Lynn appeals his conviction over the murder of camper Carol Clay

Even for legal minds, Greg Lynn's murder trial over the deaths of two Victorian campers was filled with "unusual" twists and turns. Here's what could come next in the long-running court case.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Pamcake1]

Mobile phone pings, a burnt-out campsite and the 'Button Man': Inside the missing campers investigation

A camping trip brought Carol Clay and Russell Hill to a remote pocket of Victoria — but the pair would never emerge from the Wonnangatta Valley.

www.abc.net.au

 

[sydney_gws]

Why would he have his phone? RH is dead at this point. What, found it on the side of the road and took it?

I don't know what he should have said, I am just saying not enough evidence to convict.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I dare say he thought he could out think the police. Would match his personality type.

I think him speaking probably helped his chances. I don't think the jury would have had any trouble finding him guilty of murder if he'd chosen to stonewall, with Hill's phone and forensic evidence of Clay being at the scene. They had surveillance of him behaving like a very guilty person and a witness that he'd been at the scene of the deaths a day or so before. I feel like people get convicted for much less.

From what I gather, once he made the decision to speak, while his story seems like a load of BS to me, he wasn't actually caught out in any 'checkmate' lies by the police who were interviewing him, which is probably why the advice to say nothing is sound for the garden variety brain-dead crim. I can't imagine it's as easy for someone who isn't a career criminal to remain mute for three days, when everyone's natural inclination is to explain why it couldn't have been them and take the suspicion away from themselves as quickly as possible.

I think he'd have looked guilty as sin if he'd remained silent in the interview and the trial and I don't think the jury would have deliberated for as long they did without his alternative scenario. Would Dann have still run with the same defence, or would he have been reduced to simply trying to pick holes in the prosecution's case, without providing any alternative scenario? I don't think either would have come as close to winning the case as I think they came to with the path they took.

 

[Percel]

As appalling as this is, I don't see why Lynn confessed to accidentally killing them and then disposing of their bodies. The evidence was pretty flimsy otherwise.
The phone didn't need to be explained in my view, that wasn't enough evidence to convict him.

Strands

 

[GrayRanga]

I don't know what he should have said, I am just saying not enough evidence to convict.

?????

Lynn has been convicted of one count of murder; ergo there was enough evidence.


He has been judged guilty of the crimes of which he was charged by a jury of his peers after deliberating on the evidence put to them in an open Court

He can appeal.

You weren't on the jury, so your stated opinion doesn't count

 

[Around the Wicket]

Not quite. One way to think about it might be the jury found:

1. There’s insufficient evidence to convict GL of the murder of RH;
2. There’s sufficient evidence to convict GL of the murder of CC.

Had GL not destroyed evidence there may have been grounds to convict GL of the murder RH. But he did and they could not.

That’s about it.

Remarkable how law works one case they can be found guilty on the balance of probabilities with close to no evidence and another the guy can burn the bodies doing everything he can do cover it up and get found not guilty.

 

[GardenGnome]

Here

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-17-lowlights-in-doublemurder-case-against-former-pilot-greg-lynn-according-to-his-lawyers/news-story/c61e3fe43a581b2d662484bb322c2a82?amp

Dann’s theatrics?

 

[Zidane98]

Why would he have his phone? RH is dead at this point. What, found it on the side of the road and took it?

How would they prove GL had it without admitting it?

 

[GladdyDee]

After reading the court transcript my inner Columbo is bothered by why GL took the car keys?

Was gonna take their car somewhere? Doubt it
Had grabbed them off one or the other, could be me thinks

 

[theouthouse]

Remarkable how law works one case they can be found guilty on the balance of probabilities with close to no evidence and another the guy can burn the bodies doing everything he can do cover it up and get found not guilty.

What really muddies up any guilty verdict for Hill is the involvement of Clays death being included with the actions post death.

I would be willing to argue that if Clay was taken out of the situation completely, and everything else happened as it did, a jury would have found him guilty of Hill's murder.

 

[Analysis Reactor]

I don't know what he should have said, I am just saying not enough evidence to convict.

Have you gone through all the evidence?

 

[Lady O]

What really muddies up any guilty verdict for Hill is the involvement of Clays death being included with the actions post death.

I would be willing to argue that if Clay was taken out of the situation completely, and everything else happened as it did, a jury would have found him guilty of Hill's murder.

Yes, it is interesting how the plaintiff and victims are perceived both in the media and in person (or in this case, by representations on their behalf), will influence a jury's decision.

Lynn had an unblemished record (as far as convictions anyway), in a vocation that has a high level of trust in the community.

Hill on the other hand was painted as a grumpy, know-all, who wasn't above telling people off and was subject to depression, was a married man in a long term relationship with his former girlfriend.

Clay was a well respected member of the CWA, but interesting to note as soon as her status as a scarlet woman was revealed the CWA was quick to remove her from their role of honour.

Had it been Hill who was the pilot and Clay his long term wife and Lynn who was the blue collar worker, I suspect the result would have been different.

 

[Terrafirma]

Here's what will happen if Greg Lynn appeals his conviction over the murder of camper Carol Clay

Even for legal minds, Greg Lynn's murder trial over the deaths of two Victorian campers was filled with "unusual" twists and turns. Here's what could come next in the long-running court case.

www.abc.net.au

Yes the experts say and appeal is likely.! Off we go again. LOL

 

[Royces Hart]

Yes the experts say and appeal is likely.! Off we go again. LOL

Not even Greg Lynn could kill this thread.