Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Lady O]

"The court has heard Mr Hill and Lynn had argued about Lynn hunting for deer so close to other campers.

Later that night, Lynn decided to turn the volume in his car stereo up loud in an effort to annoy Mr Hill, the jury heard.

It was about 10pm when Lynn noticed Mr Hill had got into his car and stolen his 12-gauge shotgun.
The jury heard that as Lynn tried to wrestle the firearm away from Mr Hill, the gun discharged and Ms Clay was hit in the head.

Upon seeing what had happened, Mr Hill dropped the gun and rushed over to Ms Clay's body.

Mr Dann said Lynn picked up the gun and fired its remaining shots into the air before being set upon by an enraged Mr Hill.

'The next thing is Mr Hill's advancing towards him with a knife screaming at him "she's dead",' Mr Dann said."

'A struggle developed over the knife. Mr Lynn trying to defend himself - they're locked in this struggle - and as part of that struggle the two men fall to the ground and the knife goes through the chest of Mr Hill.'



According to Lynn, Hill went to Lynn's camp and stole his shotgun from Lynn's vehicle. During the struggle, the gun discharged and shot Clay, ricocheting off Hill's vehicle's wing mirror!

However, we can clearly see that Hill's Toyota was at Hills camp, still with the wire of the aerial and the tent awning attached to the canopy.

Maybe I'm crazy, but this doesn't even remotely make sense. The camps were several hundred metres apart!

 

[Pamcake1]

Latest from the Guardian:

"The court had previously heard that such material, linked by DNA to Clay, had later been found by police on an inside section of the canopy of Hill’s Landcruiser.
The material was not visible during the video taken by Cogan of the same area."

Greg Lynn told police he used kerosene to set bodies of Russell Hill and Carol Clay alight, court hears

Lynn’s lawyer says accused – who has pleaded not guilty to murder – committed ‘terrible acts’ to evade police

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pamcake1]

Latest from the Daily Mail:

With clear photos of the number plates:

Eerie images show former Jetstar pilot driving out of the wilderness

The moment former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn left the remote wilderness where police say he murdered two elderly campers has been shown to a jury.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Lady O]

Latest from the Guardian:

"The court had previously heard that such material, linked by DNA to Clay, had later been found by police on an inside section of the canopy of Hill’s Landcruiser.
The material was not visible during the video taken by Cogan of the same area."

Greg Lynn told police he used kerosene to set bodies of Russell Hill and Carol Clay alight, court hears

Lynn’s lawyer says accused – who has pleaded not guilty to murder – committed ‘terrible acts’ to evade police

www.theguardian.com

Ok so the canopy was up when Clay was shot.

However, there was no visible blood or human tissue at the scene!!

 

[Pamcake1]

ABC Latest:
With more evidence photos.

Human remains found at remote site, 60km from burnt out campsite where campers went missing, court hears

An investigator shares the findings of human remains and personal effects recovered from a remote campsite in Victoria's High Country.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Brian Oblivion]

 

[MiguelM]

"The court has heard Mr Hill and Lynn had argued about Lynn hunting for deer so close to other campers.

Later that night, Lynn decided to turn the volume in his car stereo up loud in an effort to annoy Mr Hill, the jury heard.

It was about 10pm when Lynn noticed Mr Hill had got into his car and stolen his 12-gauge shotgun.
The jury heard that as Lynn tried to wrestle the firearm away from Mr Hill, the gun discharged and Ms Clay was hit in the head.

Upon seeing what had happened, Mr Hill dropped the gun and rushed over to Ms Clay's body.

Mr Dann said Lynn picked up the gun and fired its remaining shots into the air before being set upon by an enraged Mr Hill.

'The next thing is Mr Hill's advancing towards him with a knife screaming at him "she's dead",' Mr Dann said."

'A struggle developed over the knife. Mr Lynn trying to defend himself - they're locked in this struggle - and as part of that struggle the two men fall to the ground and the knife goes through the chest of Mr Hill.'



According to Lynn, Hill went to Lynn's camp and stole his shotgun from Lynn's vehicle. During the struggle, the gun discharged and shot Clay, ricocheting off Hill's vehicle's wing mirror!

However, we can clearly see that Hill's Toyota was at Hills camp, still with the wire of the aerial and the tent awning attached to the canopy.

Maybe I'm crazy, but this doesn't even remotely make sense. The camps were several hundred metres apart!

I still find it hard to believe someone would break into a hunter's car and steal their weapon. That is some bravado!

Also call BS on Lynn allegedly shooting into the air. Probably the last thing you would think of. I'd say deliberate lie to deflect any witness accounts of hearing more than one shot.

When you look at the whole scenario, the odds of everything fitting in nicely to Lynn's account seem fanciful at best.

 

[Terrafirma]

Is it confirmed Clay had shotgun pellets in the remains of her head?

Yes that's how they established Clay was shot Kurve.

 

[Terrafirma]

Bone Fragments shown in court.

 

[jason_recliner]

According to Lynn, Hill went to Lynn's camp and stole his shotgun from Lynn's vehicle. During the struggle, the gun discharged and shot Clay, ricocheting off Hill's vehicle's wing mirror!

Where is the report that the bullet/shot ricocheted off the mirror? (if you have the link handy)

 

[Lady O]

Bone Fragments shown in court.

I can see some marked 'plastic', 'glass', 'eyelets'. Which is the bone fragments?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

"The court has heard Mr Hill and Lynn had argued about Lynn hunting for deer so close to other campers.

Later that night, Lynn decided to turn the volume in his car stereo up loud in an effort to annoy Mr Hill, the jury heard.

It was about 10pm when Lynn noticed Mr Hill had got into his car and stolen his 12-gauge shotgun.
The jury heard that as Lynn tried to wrestle the firearm away from Mr Hill, the gun discharged and Ms Clay was hit in the head.

Upon seeing what had happened, Mr Hill dropped the gun and rushed over to Ms Clay's body.

Mr Dann said Lynn picked up the gun and fired its remaining shots into the air before being set upon by an enraged Mr Hill.

'The next thing is Mr Hill's advancing towards him with a knife screaming at him "she's dead",' Mr Dann said."

'A struggle developed over the knife. Mr Lynn trying to defend himself - they're locked in this struggle - and as part of that struggle the two men fall to the ground and the knife goes through the chest of Mr Hill.'



According to Lynn, Hill went to Lynn's camp and stole his shotgun from Lynn's vehicle. During the struggle, the gun discharged and shot Clay, ricocheting off Hill's vehicle's wing mirror!

However, we can clearly see that Hill's Toyota was at Hills camp, still with the wire of the aerial and the tent awning attached to the canopy.

Maybe I'm crazy, but this doesn't even remotely make sense. The camps were several hundred metres apart!

I don’t believe a word of it. You don’t steal a gun because someone has music too loud.

 

[Pamcake1]

Bone Fragments shown in court.

Some are bone framents but mostly not and one can see how he mostly destroyed completely their remains.
There are the bra wires & metal parts from the strap adjusters bottom left.
I enlarged the photo and read the descriptions, middle bottom says, melted & burnt plastic, broken (something) glass (eye glass bit), melted charcoal from car? lee jeans button, fabric possibly toweling? T-shirt? to bottom right, some are noted plastic, you can see there are other metal bits

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Some are bone framents but mostly not and one can see how he mostly destroyed completely their remains.
There are the bra wires & metal parts from the strap adjusters bottom left.
I enlarged the photo and read the descriptions, middle bottom says, melted & burnt plastic, broken (something) glass (eye glass bit), melted charcoal from car? lee jeans button, fabric possibly toweling? T-shirt? to bottom right, some are noted plastic, you can see there are other metal bits

Nothing wrong with that bloke. Anyone would do the same thing… wouldn’t they?

 

[Kurve]

Some are bone framents but mostly not and one can see how he mostly destroyed completely their remains.
There are the bra wires & metal parts from the strap adjusters bottom left.
I enlarged the photo and read the descriptions, middle bottom says, melted & burnt plastic, broken (something) glass (eye glass bit), melted charcoal from car? lee jeans button, fabric possibly toweling? T-shirt? to bottom right, some are noted plastic, you can see there are other metal bits

If Clay still had her bra on, they probably weren't down for the night or ready for bed. That might be something to indicate it either happened earlier than Lynn says, or Carol quickly redressed.

 

[taz01]

I read that photo on daily mail as contents of the tent, not the bone fragments, even though photos were shown today in court of the bone fragments.

Bone Fragments shown in court.

apologies if the quote doesn't work, first time using it.

 

[Kurve]

Yes that's how they established Clay was shot Kurve.

Can you get me a link please because it might be important?

There's a difference between a 12g bullet consisting of a heap of small lead balls packed inside the casing, and a solid lead slug.

 

[LeChatNoir]

"The court has heard Mr Hill and Lynn had argued about Lynn hunting for deer so close to other campers.

Later that night, Lynn decided to turn the volume in his car stereo up loud in an effort to annoy Mr Hill, the jury heard.

It was about 10pm when Lynn noticed Mr Hill had got into his car and stolen his 12-gauge shotgun.
The jury heard that as Lynn tried to wrestle the firearm away from Mr Hill, the gun discharged and Ms Clay was hit in the head.

Upon seeing what had happened, Mr Hill dropped the gun and rushed over to Ms Clay's body.

Mr Dann said Lynn picked up the gun and fired its remaining shots into the air before being set upon by an enraged Mr Hill.

'The next thing is Mr Hill's advancing towards him with a knife screaming at him "she's dead",' Mr Dann said."

'A struggle developed over the knife. Mr Lynn trying to defend himself - they're locked in this struggle - and as part of that struggle the two men fall to the ground and the knife goes through the chest of Mr Hill.'



According to Lynn, Hill went to Lynn's camp and stole his shotgun from Lynn's vehicle. During the struggle, the gun discharged and shot Clay, ricocheting off Hill's vehicle's wing mirror!

However, we can clearly see that Hill's Toyota was at Hills camp, still with the wire of the aerial and the tent awning attached to the canopy.

Maybe I'm crazy, but this doesn't even remotely make sense. The camps were several hundred metres apart!

So this allegedly happened after 10PM. Hill would have needed a torch to walk to Lynn's camp. Where was Lynn? How could he not see someone approaching with a torch? Is Lynn saying he left his car window's or doors open so as to make as much noise with his radio?

 

[Badd0g]

Yes, absolutely correct. Also against the law to record a conversation without the permission of the other party unless as you say there is a warrant.

Actually, it isn't illegal. Victoria has the one party consent law regarding recording conversations, however I don't think that'll fit in this instance - where the conversation is with a police officer in the investigation of a crime.

 

[OzF]

If Clay still had her bra on, they probably weren't down for the night or ready for bed. That might be something to indicate it either happened earlier than Lynn says, or Carol quickly redressed.

DBM

 

[Kurve]

The fact that the bra wires were found suggests she was not wearing it (or at least not those ones)

It wasn't found amongst the humans remains but inside the tent?

 

[OzF]

It wasn't found amongst the humans remains but inside the tent?

DBM

 

[taz01]

I am not sure how to add photos but the daily mail article also had a photo marked as side mirror motor??
I am assuming found in the tent also?

 

[Badd0g]

To you all that need a song-break on this case....

Over and over in my mind I say "if only one had walked away".

I do wonder what sort of taste in music GL had; chose to blare out of his car stereo - certainly wouldnt have been this:

 

[theouthouse]

That photo is from the camp-site and would in all likeliness not contain the remains of their bodies due to different scenes.

Interesting is the pairs of glasses. Make what you will of that. Were they removed from the dead bodies? Did they not wear glasses all the time? Were they taken off as they were already in bed asleep? Past 10pm is pretty late for elderly and bush camping people at that.

There would have been minimal natural lighting as it was 3 days to a new moon. So how could GL be certain of what was going on with his side of events?

GL is caught on camera at 9:30am 21 march 2020 on his way after disposing of the bodies. How does this fit in with his timeframe with routes travelled?