Opinion Sack Hinkley 7 - "Turn it around or watch out"

[PrisonBars4life]

For a start, people seeing the flaws in the current setup and predicting losses is not "deathriding". I don't think there would be too many posters on here that actually want us to lose.

"fully support and endorse: sad, pathetic, unbalanced, neurotic, trumpist, labelling, online thugery" As poorly as this is written, I believe you are saying is that we should fully support and endorse the club. But why? What is the The Club?

I am Port through and through. I'm fanatical. I supported the club financially through the end years of footy park. I have life long memories at Alberton. As members and supporters, We Are Port Adelaide. Even you (if you're not a troll). So if we had a member elected board that was accountable, then you would be right and we should trust the people in charge, or vote them out.

But the people in charge are not accountable to the members and they are not performing. They are stepping all over our traditions and they pissing all over our name. What else can we do but be "White Noise"?

They tell us we are a vocal minority, whereas every single Port supporter I know wants Hinkley gone. If we we had a member elected board, we would know the truth.

It's actually funny that you used trumpist in your description of us, because you really are asking us to just believe what we are told and not look with our own eyes.

Anyway, back on ignore for you it is.

Get ****ed mate. The last few pages have been a non-stop barrage of straw mans and arguments I haven't made. Now you're denying something that has been a very prominent theme on here. There are a number of very vocal posters that have absolutely wanted us to lose.

 

[Jason K]

Get *ed mate. The last few pages have been a non-stop barrage of straw mans and arguments I haven't made. Now you're denying something that has been a very prominent theme on here. There are a number of very vocal posters that have absolutely wanted us to lose.

Quote the posts of people saying they want us to lose

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Revisionist much?

What would you call it smart arse? He was absolutely under the pump going into 2019. We were 12-10 and finished 10th. If the guy was just protecting his position, he doesnt move on the players that finished 5th and 6th in our BnF that year. He hopes for an extra win to get into 8th and to get a new contract.

 

[PatientMental]

Worst arguments are the ones like 'Geelong kept Thompson, Richmond kept Hardwick'.

Ah yes, show me when they or any coach was going into their 11th season with their first club without a single GF appearance and I will consider your argument.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Quote the posts of people saying they want us to lose

Quote the posts where I have said we should keep Hinkley into the future or any of the other claims of statements I haven't made. I'm not wasting my time doing your work for you. They have been a regular theme in Gameday threads both on this board and on the main board.

 

[JimmyBC]

Worst arguments are the ones like 'Geelong kept Thompson, Richmond kept Hardwick'.

Ah yes, show me when they or any coach was going into their 11th season with their first club without a single GF appearance and I will consider your argument.

Yep only total halfwits go down that road.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

Quote the posts where I have said we should keep Hinkley into the future or any of the other claims of statements I haven't made. I'm not wasting my time doing your work for you. They have been a regular theme in Gameday threads both on this board and on the main board.

But you do think he is a good coach and second most successful, you’ve also shitcanned all other options for coach post Hinkley, so it’s safe to say you are pro keeping him more so than getting rid of him, I can quote those post if you like?

 

[Jason K]

What would you call it smart arse? He was absolutely under the pump going into 2019. We were 12-10 and finished 10th. If the guy was just protecting his position, he doesnt move on the players that finished 5th and 6th in our BnF that year. He hopes for an extra win to get into 8th and to get a new contract.

He moved on Wingard because Ken didn't like his gaming habits It's so well known that it's starting to make me think you're not being genuine. Polec left for money and the fact his GF is Victorian and wanted to go home. What you said was revisionist without a doubt.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

I don't hate him, in fact I dislike Koch more, he is the one backing Ken in.
In saying that though, Hinkley does need to be exposed for his short comings as an Afl coach, why is he immune, other coaches get exposed.

It's time for change and it better come next year. As you would be well aware by now we are miles away from a flag, as Geelong would have made that even more obvious.

That's perfectly reasonable.

I'm just sick to death of this thread spilling out into half the other ones and the endless over the top negativity. It borders on mental illness with the kind of pettiness involved with name calling like Stinkley and Uncle Fester.

 

[Needs Gravy]

Maybe, but at that stage we made finals in 3 out of 5 seasons, including the current one. I suspect the effect of the 2013/14 turnaround was still there. I'll again state that lots of teams would have renewed. Finish 5th, get done after the siren in extra time. Not sure too many coaches get handed their marching orders under those circumstances. The length was probably a year too generous. By the time 2021 had come around he had completely rejuvenated the list having taken a massive punt on the draft. The board's actions don't scream the level of incompetence that plenty of supporters on here suggest. Hinkley has had a knack of doing just enough at the right time to hang on.

Doing just enough has never been acceptable at PA. A strong board would have called his bluff and let him walk to GC. A strong board would have asked why are all this assistant coaches leaving a strong board would have completed a detailed review of the coach and football department at the end of this season. All talk no action rinse and repeat.

Just enough might as well be the club slogan now. The ruthlessness and willingness do do whatever it takes to win are gone replaced by this Glenelg mentality of excuses and acceptance of being happy to exist.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

That's perfectly reasonable.

I'm just sick to death of this thread spilling out into half the other ones and the endless over the top negativity. It borders on mental illness with the kind of pettiness involved with name calling like Stinkley and Uncle Fester.

Expecting this to be added to the next edition of DSM.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

But you do think he is a good coach and second most successful, you’ve also shitcanned all other options for coach post Hinkley, so it’s safe to say you are pro keeping him more so than getting rid of him, I can quote those post if you like?

I put his record in a historical context as to why he has survived as long as he has and why he is not as shit as people say he is. People keep on saying no other club would have kept him. Plenty of clubs would take an above average record. Plenty of clubs would have been optimistic that he could win a flag. He's nearly done it twice.

You are saying you want him sacked, so it's safe to say you are pro losing more than you are pro winning, I can quote those posts if you like.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

That's perfectly reasonable.

I'm just sick to death of this thread spilling out into half the other ones and the endless over the top negativity. It borders on mental illness with the kind of pettiness involved with name calling like Stinkley and Uncle Fester.

You're literally the most negative person in this thread. You just have different targets for your negativity.

Even today you've just tried to throw Primus and Cahill under the bus like their efforts and achievements meant nothing.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

1st Williams 1 flag, 274 games
2nd Cahill 0 flags, 44 games
3rd Primus 0 flags, 47 games
4th Hinkley 0 flags, 156 games

You have him worse than the guy who tried to end a bunch of 28-year old's careers, barely won a game, and gave the teams that regularly lost by 100 points their first wins.

You sure are convincing me that you are a sane reasonable person.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

I put his record in a historical context as to why he has survived as long as he has and why he is not as s**t as people say he is. People keep on saying no other club would have kept him. Plenty of clubs would take an above average record. Plenty of clubs would have been optimistic that he could win a flag. He's nearly done it twice.

You are saying you want him sacked, so it's safe to say you are pro losing more than you are pro winning, I can quote those posts if you like.

There is no precedent for another club clinging onto a coach for 10 years for no flag, we have set that precedent, so there is no way you can say another club would accept a decade of disappointment and keep the same coach because his win/loss is above average. Not only that the sheer fact you are accepting of that level of mediocrity only proves your opinion is clouded.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

You have him worse than the guy who tried to end a bunch of 28-year old's careers, barely won a game, and gave the teams that regularly lost by 100 points their first wins.

You sure are convincing me that you are a sane reasonable person.

Stop being so negative

 

[PrisonBars4life]

You're literally the most negative person in this thread. You just have different targets for your negativity.

Even today you've just tried to throw Primus and Cahill under the bus like their efforts and achievements meant nothing.

What the **** are you talking about? Primus has a 25% win rate and a best finish of 10th with his last 2 seasons the worst in our history.

 

[afl2004]

If you defend hinkley you hate port adelaide, Vic's and crows love him for a reason

 

[PAFC27]

Am I the only one that thought we played better footy when Dixon wasn’t in the side?

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I put his record in a historical context as to why he has survived as long as he has and why he is not as s**t as people say he is. People keep on saying no other club would have kept him. Plenty of clubs would take an above average record. Plenty of clubs would have been optimistic that he could win a flag. He's nearly done it twice.

You are saying you want him sacked, so it's safe to say you are pro losing more than you are pro winning, I can quote those posts if you like.

Do we want to be Port Adelaide or "plenty of other clubs"?

I'd rather be the winning exception like Geelong, Richmond or Hawthorn than the norm like St Kilda, Carlton, Adelaide, Collingwood, Freo, North, Bulldogs, GC GWS.

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[Jason K]

What the * are you talking about? Primus has a 25% win rate and a best finish of 10th with his last 2 seasons the worst in our history.

With a midfield coach that lived in another state and a fitness coach that every supporter could see was unbelievably bad. I don't think Primus would have been successful with the resources Ken has but we will never know.

Primus was sacked. Hinkley is still here.

 

[Jason K]

Am I the only one that thought we played better footy when Dixon wasn’t in the side?

100% we did. If Dixon played all year, Marshall wouldn't have broken out. I called it at the time that Finlayson and Marshall were working together and developing a partnership that was awesome to watch. They were fully bro'ing it up together when one would kick a goal and reflecting how what they had been working on had worked.

Nekminit. Lycett goes down, Dixon in. Finlayson is Port's next great Rucking Man

 

[PAFC27]

100% we did. If Dixon played all year, Marshall wouldn't have broken out. I called it at the time that Finlayson and Marshall were working together and developing a partnership that was awesome to watch. They were fully bro'ing it up together when one would kick a goal and reflecting how what they had been working on had worked.

Nekminit. Lycett goes down, Dixon in. Finlayson is Port's next great Rucking Man

Summed up my thoughts exactly.

I think using injuries as an excuse for or against is fickle anyway. It’s far too easy to cherry pick.

 

[PrisonBars4life]

Do we want to be Port Adelaide or "plenty of other clubs"?

I'd rather be the winning exception like Geelong, Richmond or Hawthorn than the norm like St Kilda, Carlton, Adelaide, Collingwood, Freo, North, Bulldogs, GC GWS.

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That's also fair. But it negates the negativity around Hinkley. If people were saying 'look Hinkley is a pretty good coach, he's done some good things, made some mistakes, but it's time for him to go' that's one thing. That's where I am at now. Trashing his legacy is another. People give him no credit for the things he's got right. People will say players have gotten worse under him? Explain the young talent. Explain SPP, explain Marshall. Those 2 were difficult cases with their backgrounds. Explain all the people he cut loose who he was right to. I was as vocal as any about hating the Ladhams trade, but Sydney are seething about his lack of discipline at the moment. I've been very vocal on not playing Sam Hayes. I guess if/when he leaves, we will find out whether that was right as well. People mock him about his 'greyhound club', but he;s shown loyalty to people that has been repaid. Amon, Marshall, SPP. He's got the best out of Wines, Aliir has done more at Port than he ever did at Sydney. Those players will be available to the next coach when they probably would have been lost with a lesser coach. I thought he was capable of winning a flag until after the PF last year. He got extremely close twice. I don't buy the GF bullshit. Who was closer to a flag, Port 2014/20 or Sydney 2022? We were. He came to a club that was a laughingstock and will leave it as a bog vanilla also ran. He's a Rodney Eade. He's respected by everyone outside the club for being 'pretty good'.

Anyone that says he's a bad/terrible/shit coach is throwing a tantrum.

 

[bomberclifford]

How many clubs have won flags in the past 11 years?

A number that doesn't include us, which is the point.