News Sam Hayes signs for North Melbourne VFL

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backtozero said:
Agree with this.

"Scott Hodges liked a dart or five!"

Yes. Scott Hodges also kicked 153 goals one year and won 8 flags. Pointless comparison.

I dont actually have a problem with someone saying "well, he's just given up now after doing the right things and being treated poorly by those in charge of selection."
Fair enough if that's your point of view, but let's not pretend that once he's off the list he's going to another club and will embarrass Hinkley by becoming a top shelf ruckman. If he's serious then he won't be on the lung biscuits whilst his career is at a cross roads.
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Hodges also played in an era when 18 beers on a Saturday night was a legitimate part of your training regime.
 
backtozero said:
Agree with this.

"Scott Hodges liked a dart or five!"

Yes. Scott Hodges also kicked 153 goals one year and won 8 flags. Pointless comparison.

I dont actually have a problem with someone saying "well, he's just given up now after doing the right things and being treated poorly by those in charge of selection."
Fair enough if that's your point of view, but let's not pretend that once he's off the list he's going to another club and will embarrass Hinkley by becoming a top shelf ruckman. If he's serious then he won't be on the lung biscuits whilst his career is at a cross roads.
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Lets not pretend a dart or five in the off-season is hampering anyones output in-season though.. a third of the squad would be down
 

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JimmyBC said:
Lets not pretend a dart or five in the off-season is hampering anyones output in-season though.. a third of the squad would be down
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Look, I don't follow Sam around to know if he's having one dart whilst half-cut in the off-season or smoking a pack a day or vaping, as was mentioned here.

I'm also not so naive as to think that other players also aren't lighting up from time to time. You repeating that over and over isn't a revelation to anyone and it's a weird hill to want to die on.

The reality is that Sam has question marks around his fitness, and indulging in smoking isn't going to help, nor is it a sign that he's completely blameless in not being selected to play AFL football.

If he was covering the ground well then we aren't having this conversation.
 
backtozero said:
Look, I don't follow Sam around to know if he's having one dart whilst half-cut in the off-season or smoking a pack a day or vaping, as was mentioned here.

I'm also not so naive as to think that other players also aren't lighting up from time to time. You repeating that over and over isn't a revelation to anyone and it's a weird hill to want to die on.

The reality is that Sam has question marks around his fitness, and indulging in smoking isn't going to help, nor is it a sign that he's completely blameless in not being selected to play AFL football.

If he was covering the ground well then we aren't having this conversation.
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God the weird hill to die on thing is so 2015.
 
Doctor Feel said:
Agree with this, but the way I look at it is, he's going to improve our team whether its just for the next six games or till the end of the year who cares. I'd still play a guy who can impact than a carbon rod like Teakle despite his effort.
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Does he really improve our team though?

Essendon were the only side that we played with and without Hayes. And although there's other factors (one was early season and one second last round after both teams seasons were finished, in weather vs under the roof) we did significantly better against Essendon when playing Finlayson in the ruck, despite getting smashed in hit outs.
 
HHHAMMERtime said:
I would also take up smoking in the off-season last year if I was him and consistently treated with absolute disdain by the coaching staff. In what universe would you blame the guy for being unprofessional after the career he has had here. Dominated the SANFL, clearly our best ruckman 2 years ago left to rot for years- THEN, to be given a chance only because Hinkley had no other option. To do a good job and get the record for most hit outs in your first 7 games was only to be dropped for a no ruckman system and replaced in the mid season draft for a guy who had played 6 games of senior football up to that point. Can you blame him for throwing in the towel? I absolutely don’t.
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Train harder, be better, make yourself the option.

All he's doing this year is costing himself the opportunity to find a spot somewhere else in the system.
 
Peninsula Boy said:
The other element with Hayes is that his lack of around the ground fitness needed for a ruck might be genetic as his brother really struggled to do a 2km time trail for last years draft.
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His brother was sick.
 
Blinky Nyland said:
Can a player be delisted at this stage in the season and if so would he be eligible for the mid season draft.
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AFAIK clubs can only delist players in the official listing periods at the end of season.
 
Its the same as the Broadbent smoking pic that went around circa 2011. He's just come off a year where we were shit, Broady was playing in the midfield and quite clearly was cooked after half time week in week out, looked every bit a country footballer who's knocking back a pack a day, and you get caught smoking on a night out. Carn. Be better.

We don't know if Sam enjoys a puff on his 6 weeks off a year. Or whether he enjoys a puff year round. He might have been smoking for years for all we know. Or it could have been a once off. In the end, its not 1990 anymore. He's getting paid probably $300k a year to be a professional athlete. ****ing act like one.
 

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elbarton said:
What this episode suggests is that there needs to be stronger programs in place to help eshays transition into the AFL system
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I'm tired of pretending this isn't an issue. The discrimination and lack of accomodation for eshay culture in AFL circles is quite frankly appalling. Another example of AFL bigotry.
 
Peninsula Boy said:
It was such a bad look for him but he still got drafted.

It's a pretty weird thing. Why would you run a 2 km time trial if you are sick.

I hadn't heard that he was sick that day. Can you please show me where you got this information.
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I thought i read he had undiagnosed glandular fever, but i could be mistaken
 

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