Player Watch Sam Walsh is ranked 16th in the AFL for turnovers when under no pressure

[Socrates2]

Intersting article saying Champion Data has Sydney Stack, Connor Rozee and Bailey Smith ranked above Sam Walsh for Rising Star Award. https://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-06-2...ar-stats-say-gun-blue-is-not-in-the-top-three

"EARLY in the season, it seemed a fait accompli the No.1 draftee from last year, Sam Walsh, was destined to win the NAB AFL Rising Star Award. Now, the stats reveal he might not deserve to finish on the podium.

That's the verdict from Champion Data, which has a surprise name in the top three, ahead of the ultra-impressive Blue."

 

[Art Vandelay_]

First year player has flaws.
More news at 6.

 

[VADA]

He plays in the worst team in the AFL and he makes turn overs. Well I'm shocked to be reading this.

 

[Stormzy]

Still an absolute jet.

 

[Dazlington]

Media been reading bigfooty again:

In which round will Sam Walsh hit his first target

Number 1 selection in the draft and has come with huge wraps on him. I didn’t watch either of Carlton’s preseason games but it sounds like he can rack up the footy. I watched with keen interest last night to see the competitions next big thing and must say I was left somewhat underwhelmed...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[daniel23]

Looks a solid player but doesn't have any star qualities. Good runner , good accumulator, but he isn't explosive and kicking lacks penetration . Smith and rozee are the stars of this draft with stack just behind atm.

 

[Socrates2]

Media been reading bigfooty again:

In which round will Sam Walsh hit his first target

Number 1 selection in the draft and has come with huge wraps on him. I didn’t watch either of Carlton’s preseason games but it sounds like he can rack up the footy. I watched with keen interest last night to see the competitions next big thing and must say I was left somewhat underwhelmed...

www.bigfooty.com

Good point Dazlington, we've got differing opinions but come back to the Bay and make some threads mate!

 

[Atomboy]

Sydney Stack for mine - he is an absolute ripper

 

[WilloTree]

Intersting article saying Champion Data has Sydney Stack, Connor Rozee and Bailey Smith ranked above Sam Walsh for Rising Star Award.

That's not what the article says. It just says he's ranked 4 on Playing Ratings of 1st year players. It doesn't say those three are above him for the Rising Star award. The Rising Star award is decided by a panel, not Champion Data.

 

[james Dean]

Alternative Title;

Sam Walsh is ranked 1st among Rising Stars for Effective Disposals, Clearances, Meters Gained, Contested Possessions and Inside 50s

 

[eastfreo75]

No other first year player has played full time midfield with so little support.

The kid is gun and this title smells of hot streaming piece of dog poo.

 

[Coops93]

Player is 16th worst at something.

What a ripper story that is.

 

[Socrates2]

No other first year player has played full time midfield with so little support.

The kid is gun and this title smells of hot streaming piece of dog poo.

The title is a direct quote from the article and it is true that Walsh is ranked as the 16th worst player in the league for turnovers when under no pressure. Stack and Rozee are much more efficient and perhaps more valuable.

 

[james Dean]

1​	Clayton Oliver​	Demons​	12​	5 v Collingwood, Round 12​	64​
2​	Tim Taranto​	Giants​	13​	6 v North Melbourne, Round 13​	62​
2​	Travis Boak​	Power​	12​	3 v Fremantle, Round 13​	62​
2​	Jaeger O'Meara​	Hawks​	11​	5 v Essendon, Round 13​	62​
5​	David Swallow​	Suns​	13​	6 v St Kilda, Round 13​	61​
6​	Adam Treloar​	Magpies​	12​	8 v Melbourne, Round 12​	60​
7​	Mitch Robinson​	Lions​	12​	4 v Carlton, Round 12​	59​
8​	Elliot Yeo​	Eagles​	12​	5 v Essendon, Round 14​	58​
9​	James Worpel​	Hawks​	12​	3 v Essendon, Round 13​	57​
10​	Patrick Cripps​	Blues​	13​	3 v Western Bulldogs, Round 13​	54​
11​	Patrick Dangerfield​	Cats​	11​	8 v Richmond, Round 12​	53​
12​	Rory Sloane​	Crows​	13​	5 v Richmond, Round 13​	52​
12​	Brodie Grundy​	Magpies​	12​	4 v Melbourne, Round 12​	52​
12​	James Harmes​	Demons​	12​	7 v Collingwood, Round 12​	52​
15​	Tim Kelly​	Cats​	12​	4 v Richmond, Round 12​	51​
16​	Dyson Heppell​	Bombers​	13​	1 v West Coast, Round 14​	50​
16​	Dustin Martin​	Tigers​	12​	5 v Adelaide, Round 13​	50​
16​	Nathan Fyfe​	Dockers​	11​	6 v Port Adelaide, Round 13​	50​
19​	Luke Shuey​	Eagles​	13​	4 v Essendon, Round 14​	49​
19​	Sam Walsh​	Blues​	13​	5 v Western Bulldogs, Round 13​	49​

Look at all those absolute spuds who are above him on the list! It's almost as if Getting a lot of the ball results in Turning the ball over more often

 

[Underarm]

Walsh gets more disposals = more likely to make mistakes.

Stack plays across halfback. I would expect his 'no pressure' disposals to be under far less pressure than any of Stacks.

It's an incorrect use of statistics to push the narrative that the rising star is still up for grabs.

 

[Socrates2]

Walsh gets more disposals = more likely to make mistakes.

Stack plays across halfback. I would expect his 'no pressure' disposals to be under far less pressure than any of Stacks.

It's an incorrect use of statistics to push the narrative that the rising star is still up for grabs.

Fair point but Walsh gets to play midfield every game because of lack of depth at Carlton, if Stack or Rozee were playing permanent midfield, they would be seen as better than Walsh imo.

 

[00Stinger]

Looks a solid player but doesn't have any star qualities. Good runner , good accumulator, but he isn't explosive and kicking lacks penetration . Smith and rozee are the stars of this draft with stack just behind atm.

He is Tom Scully mk2

 

[KermitJagger]

He is Tom Scully mk2

Already a far better accumulator than Scully and is far more contested. Bad call.

I agree he doesn't have superstar qualities, but that's pretty standard Pick 1 stuff. You pick the sure thing.

 

[Eternal Schism]

The bye rounds have destroyed the main board. You'd think it was the off season.

 

[Scotland]

1​	Clayton Oliver​	Demons​	12​	5 v Collingwood, Round 12​	64​
2​	Tim Taranto​	Giants​	13​	6 v North Melbourne, Round 13​	62​
2​	Travis Boak​	Power​	12​	3 v Fremantle, Round 13​	62​
2​	Jaeger O'Meara​	Hawks​	11​	5 v Essendon, Round 13​	62​
5​	David Swallow​	Suns​	13​	6 v St Kilda, Round 13​	61​
6​	Adam Treloar​	Magpies​	12​	8 v Melbourne, Round 12​	60​
7​	Mitch Robinson​	Lions​	12​	4 v Carlton, Round 12​	59​
8​	Elliot Yeo​	Eagles​	12​	5 v Essendon, Round 14​	58​
9​	James Worpel​	Hawks​	12​	3 v Essendon, Round 13​	57​
10​	Patrick Cripps​	Blues​	13​	3 v Western Bulldogs, Round 13​	54​
11​	Patrick Dangerfield​	Cats​	11​	8 v Richmond, Round 12​	53​
12​	Rory Sloane​	Crows​	13​	5 v Richmond, Round 13​	52​
12​	Brodie Grundy​	Magpies​	12​	4 v Melbourne, Round 12​	52​
12​	James Harmes​	Demons​	12​	7 v Collingwood, Round 12​	52​
15​	Tim Kelly​	Cats​	12​	4 v Richmond, Round 12​	51​
16​	Dyson Heppell​	Bombers​	13​	1 v West Coast, Round 14​	50​
16​	Dustin Martin​	Tigers​	12​	5 v Adelaide, Round 13​	50​
16​	Nathan Fyfe​	Dockers​	11​	6 v Port Adelaide, Round 13​	50​
19​	Luke Shuey​	Eagles​	13​	4 v Essendon, Round 14​	49​
19​	Sam Walsh​	Blues​	13​	5 v Western Bulldogs, Round 13​	49​

Look at all those absolute spuds who are above him on the list! It's almost as if Getting a lot of the ball results in Turning the ball over more often

20 players listed, how many are in rolling AA sides?

At a guess I'd say at least half have been included at least once.

 

[juss]

He's still good.
I think there's a few from the draft that are gonna be stars.

 

[Socrates2]

20 players listed, how many are in rolling AA sides?

At a guess I'd say at least half have been included at least once.

Anyone who knows football can tell that Sydney Stack is a better player than Sam Walsh. He's getting 20 possessions a game from half-back, can mark the ball, can run through players and is running at an unprecedented 80% kicking efficiency for a first year player.

 

[Scotland]

If the draft was re done tomorrow based on a small sample size at AFL level from some players selected where would he go? 1? 2? 3?

I'd be tossing up with Rozee but it's not like he'd slide outside the top 3.

 

[Scotland]

Anyone who knows football can tell that Sydney Stack is a better player than Sam Walsh. He's getting 20 possessions a game from half-back, can mark the ball, can run through players and is running at an unprecedented 80% kicking efficiency for a first year player.

I guess none of the 18 clubs know football because he was overlooked in the entire 2018 national draft.

 

[Socrates2]

If the draft was re done tomorrow based on a small sample size at AFL level from some players selected where would he go? 1? 2? 3?

I'd be tossing up with Rozee but it's not like he'd slide outside the top 3.

In hindsight, the true draft order was 1/ Rozee 2/Stack 3/ Bailey Smith 4/ Sam Walsh imo.