Save Kraks

[richoatthedisco]

I don't understand the vitriol against Andy Krakouer. The guy's 24, he's played 101 games and kicked 101 goals. The only other players on our list to average a goal a game or better are richo, brown, petts and hughes, who doesn't really count. Kraks has had a tough life and admits he needs to mature but he was born with a footy in his hands. He's not an athlete, he's a footballer. You watch him get snapped up if we let him go. Before he got injured he was playing all right. V. good against the crows, kicked 2 against the bombers (if that's all he does in a game he's done his job) and just about every player on the list could take a leaf out of his defensive skills book. He has brilliant hands in close, often trapping or winning the ball from opponents in packs. He never wastes a possession. Yeah he's not big or quick but he is a true footballer and we don't have enough of those. Get off his back, his best is ahead of him.

 

[astro_toby]

yes, everyone should get up off their chair and go save an ass krak.

every minute an ass krak die's - it's only with the support of others that ass kraks will survive and be enjoyed for generations to come

save our kraks 07

 

[bigrayohall20]

He's had to many chances and been around too long IMO. If we get rid of him and he turns out like another Rodan then good on him but i think hes had enough time to show what he can do.

 

[Paddles]

I don't understand the vitriol against Andy Krakouer. The guy's 24, he's played 101 games and kicked 101 goals. The only other players on our list to average a goal a game or better are richo, brown, petts and hughes, who doesn't really count. Kraks has had a tough life and admits he needs to mature but he was born with a footy in his hands. He's not an athlete, he's a footballer. You watch him get snapped up if we let him go. Before he got injured he was playing all right. V. good against the crows, kicked 2 against the bombers (if that's all he does in a game he's done his job) and just about every player on the list could take a leaf out of his defensive skills book. He has brilliant hands in close, often trapping or winning the ball from opponents in packs. He never wastes a possession. Yeah he's not big or quick but he is a true footballer and we don't have enough of those. Get off his back, his best is ahead of him.

are u serious? all he has to do is kick two goals a game and 'he's done his job?'

thats ridiculous.

 

[Thursfieldness]

I don't understand the vitriol against Andy Krakouer. The guy's 24, he's played 101 games and kicked 101 goals. The only other players on our list to average a goal a game or better are richo, brown, petts and hughes, who doesn't really count. Kraks has had a tough life and admits he needs to mature but he was born with a footy in his hands. He's not an athlete, he's a footballer. You watch him get snapped up if we let him go. Before he got injured he was playing all right. V. good against the crows, kicked 2 against the bombers (if that's all he does in a game he's done his job) and just about every player on the list could take a leaf out of his defensive skills book. He has brilliant hands in close, often trapping or winning the ball from opponents in packs. He never wastes a possession. Yeah he's not big or quick but he is a true footballer and we don't have enough of those. Get off his back, his best is ahead of him.

An absolute travesty of a post IMO. Your's is one of the more deluded opinions I've come across.

 

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

pembroke welsh corgi > krak

 

[Heisenberg_]

acceptiting mediocrity

 

[richoatthedisco]

are u serious? all he has to do is kick two goals a game and 'he's done his job?'

thats ridiculous.

no it's not. small forwards who kick 2 goals a game are rarer than scott lucas handballs. but what i meant was if he kicks 2 on an off night then we can't complain.

 

[True Thylacine]

Obviously swimming against the tide to say so but like Krak as well. He has a football brain rather than just the athlete and I'm surprised he is still just 24. His tackling in the forward line is excellent, great disposal, excellent hands and he gives us a spark at times. Its funny how ppl bag his lack of athelticism yet tolerate cattle who are atheltically up there but with the footy skills of Siberian trotting fish. I'm old fashioned so I go the footballer every time.
The $64,000 question is can we afford a player like him? I'd love to think so and if we were generally much more competitive I'm sure he'd shine. Facts are we arent so we probably can't and sadly some idiot paid him way too much for way too long early on. Put him on a sensible salary and I'd have him on the list before many others.

 

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

2 goals is an outstanding game for him, that's the problem. also, if your username is a reference to panic! at the disco - may i ask, how did that lobotomy go? i assume you needed it, now you can listen to the tripe without that nagging little bit of conscience telling you that you're a bad human being.

 

[Paddles]

He's just about had it. He plays well below his supposed talent, goes missing for huge chunks of the season and if he was going to make it he would have by now.

Gone!

 

[richoatthedisco]

An absolute travesty of a post IMO. Your's is one of the more deluded opinions I've come across.

For someone who criticises others for spelling, learn when and when NOT to use apostrophes.

Krakouer is never going to be a superstar but he definitely is worth a spot on our list and will be a good player in a good team, which I believe we are aiming for, in a hawthorn/st kilda go-back-to-go-forward kind of way.

I bet you're one of those pumping up the likes of Casserly because he plays well in the coburg reserves, or mcguane, or moore, for god knows what reason. Nothing constructive in your post, or even an argument as to why my opinion is 'deluded'.

You've never played football have you?

 

[bigpapagman]

jeff farmer board.

 

[tugga]

Obviously swimming against the tide to say so but like Krak as well. He has a football brain rather than just the athlete and I'm surprised he is still just 24. His tackling in the forward line is excellent, great disposal, excellent hands and he gives us a spark at times. Its funny how ppl bag his lack of athelticism yet tolerate cattle who are atheltically up there but with the footy skills of Siberian trotting fish. I'm old fashioned so I go the footballer every time.
The $64,000 question is can we afford a player like him? I'd love to think so and if we were generally much more competitive I'm sure he'd shine. Facts are we arent so we probably can't and sadly some idiot paid him way too much for way too long early on. Put him on a sensible salary and I'd have him on the list before many others.

I'm with you on this TT. 12 touches of Krakouer's are usually quality and he puts more pressure in the forward line than Pettifer will ever do. It's not about how many touches you get, it's about how you use them. Give me 12 Krakouer possessions any day than 30 of Tuck's. Not the worst on our list by a long way. Others there who deserve more criticism than this guy.

 

[richoatthedisco]

2 goals is an outstanding game for him, that's the problem. also, if your username is a reference to panic! at the disco - may i ask, how did that lobotomy go? i assume you needed it, now you can listen to the tripe without that nagging little bit of conscience telling you that you're a bad human being.

Getting personal spoodge? From someone who wants to 'spoodge' pettifer!! Does that mean you want to f**k him or run him over with a steam roller?

I don't even know what that tripe is you're referring to but if you think i'm a bad human being because i'm a krakouer fan, just remember how 'pathetic pettifer' was carried for years and has only begun to justify the faith in him in the past couple of years, and he still hasn't won as many hard balls as kraks, or kicked as many goals. And he's a year older, and he cost us a top 10 draft pick. But hey, I think he's got value, which we are starting to see because we perservered with him.

Player who deserve cutting before krakouer:
Moore
Casserly
Howat
McGuane (never going to be a KPP and has no skill)
White
Hartigan
JON
Meyer
Kingsley
Knobel
Hall

That's 11. Kraks stays. Mark my words.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Obviously swimming against the tide to say so but like Krak as well. He has a football brain rather than just the athlete and I'm surprised he is still just 24. His tackling in the forward line is excellent, great disposal, excellent hands and he gives us a spark at times. Its funny how ppl bag his lack of athelticism yet tolerate cattle who are atheltically up there but with the footy skills of Siberian trotting fish. I'm old fashioned so I go the footballer every time.
The $64,000 question is can we afford a player like him? I'd love to think so and if we were generally much more competitive I'm sure he'd shine. Facts are we arent so we probably can't and sadly some idiot paid him way too much for way too long early on. Put him on a sensible salary and I'd have him on the list before many others.

Finally someone with a bit of footy insight makes a comment.

 

[mj23]

I think Richmond should trade him he's not doing anything spectacular there but his career is far from over. He would go well with a fresh start.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Getting personal spoodge? From someone who wants to 'spoodge' pettifer!! Does that mean you want to f**k him or run him over with a steam roller?

I don't even know what that tripe is you're referring to but if you think i'm a bad human being because i'm a krakouer fan, just remember how 'pathetic pettifer' was carried for years and has only begun to justify the faith in him in the past couple of years, and he still hasn't won as many hard balls as kraks, or kicked as many goals. And he's a year older, and he cost us a top 10 draft pick. But hey, I think he's got value, which we are starting to see because we perservered with him.

Player who deserve cutting before krakouer:
Moore
Casserly
Howat
McGuane (never going to be a KPP and has no skill)
White
Hartigan
JON
Meyer
Kingsley
Knobel
Hall

That's 11. Kraks stays. Mark my words.

Krakouer has been on the list for how many years and has shown zero improvement for at least the last 4 and you want to drop kids who have been give not even close to as much chances as Krakouer.

Players on that list that should be dumped are Howat, Kingsley, Hall, Knobel, Hartigan, and we should look at trading Meyer

 

[Heisenberg_]

I think Richmond should trade him he's not doing anything spectacular there but his career is far from over. He would go well with a fresh start.

We would get **** all for him though

 

[Paddles]

I don't understand how some people say we should hang on to him over players who are younger and who also havent shown anything.

He's had his chance, but he hasnt grasped it. Time to move him on.

Time isnt on his side. It might save someone who has only been in the system a couple of years like Tambling or White. But Krak has had his chance and it's time to go.

Same with Hall, Hartigan and Moore.

 

[Tambo]

Getting personal spoodge? From someone who wants to 'spoodge' pettifer!! Does that mean you want to f**k him or run him over with a steam roller?

I don't even know what that tripe is you're referring to but if you think i'm a bad human being because i'm a krakouer fan, just remember how 'pathetic pettifer' was carried for years and has only begun to justify the faith in him in the past couple of years, and he still hasn't won as many hard balls as kraks, or kicked as many goals. And he's a year older, and he cost us a top 10 draft pick. But hey, I think he's got value, which we are starting to see because we perservered with him.

Player who deserve cutting before krakouer:
Moore
Casserly
Howat
McGuane (never going to be a KPP and has no skill)
White
Hartigan
JON
Meyer
Kingsley
Knobel
Hall

That's 11. Kraks stays. Mark my words.

It is fair to say Krak is deserves a place over these players. Mcguane is possibly the only one I'd argue against. Gaspar is already gone, so that is one more onto that list too.

Krak won't get a delisting, at most he'll get traded. So he's 90% likely to be at the club next year.

I agree with your thoughts and think supporters feel safe bagging an 'unfit' player.

 

[astro_toby]

We would get **** all for him though

trade him for farmer! he will be able to fill the role of pressure forward in our lineup for 2-3 years while we (try) to develop someone better - krak will never be able to play that role better than even an aging farmer.

And so what if he gets himself in trouble off the field ? at least it will be something interesteing for us to talk about!

seriously!! this is the most boring season ever!! no wins - no coachs sacked - no challenges to the board - no spitters - no chicken poo -no drink driving of D & D;s - no zantucks throwing shotgun williams around like his bitch - no nothing!!

Our players don't even get reported!!!! Pettifer is the only one FFS!!!!

Our only player to get into trouble off the field this season is f*!#k$ng Ray F*%##ng Hall!!!!!

Our players are the most boring blokes to watch run around scared for 2 shours you will find! No nutbags! no excitment machines! thank god for richo - that lovable lug of flesh is the only entertainment factor our side has these days!!

this it the most boring season of all time!!! bring back the controversy! bring back the anger! bring back the public feral embarrassments! im tempted to try and get kingy on the crack - just to make us get in the papers again!!

 

[richoatthedisco]

Krakouer has been on the list for how many years and has shown zero improvement for at least the last 4 and you want to drop kids who have been give not even close to as much chances as Krakouer.

Players on that list that should be dumped are Howat, Kingsley, Hall, Knobel, Hartigan, and we should look at trading Meyer

Moore has never shown anything. JON has shown he's a *******. Kraks made his debut at 17, Casserly is what, 20? And still playing coburg ressies - he's not good enough (although I admit I've never seen him play cos we don't get coburg 2s games up here). Ditto McGuane. But we've re-signed them so I guess they're staying.

I'll throw in Tiv, P.Bowden, Johnson, Jackson.

I'm not saying get rid of all these blokes, I'm saying keep Kraks.

For the record, I would get rid of:
Kingsley
Knobel
Hall
Howat
White (rookie list him)
Hartigan
Moore

With Gaspar's retirement and King's elevation (re-rookie Graham), that leaves 7 spots to fill via national and PS drafts.

In 2 years half our curent list will be in wallace's 22-26 age group, including Kraks. You need depth to be a good team, and Kraks has shown he can cut it at AFL level, which is more than can be said for half our list, who are either not good enough or haven't shown anything yet. God I hope like hell that Connors, Peterson, Casserly et al have the goods, but until then they are a long way behind a bloke who has played 100 games and kicked 100 goals.

 

[Tambo]

Same with Hall, Hartigan and Moore.

Moore has had a rough ride. He's never played in a winning match and has never played more than 4 games in a row.

Raines, Deledio, Polo, Tambling gain regular 22 selections despite their form on match day.

He was injured for his first 2 years- OP but kept pushing himself to save his career.

He is one of the fastest and most skillful players at Punt rd with a great height and body size. Can play on small and tall forwards while hitting the midfield with the occasional tagging role.

I struggle to understand why he hasnt been able to play a few games in a row to develop further.

He was getting somewhere earlier this year, and most supporters seemed to begin to like his style..

I'll be honest with you and say he will more than likely be gone at seasons end. But to say he's been given a fair chance alongside krakouer is false.

 

[_RT_]

I don't understand the vitriol against Andy Krakouer. The guy's 24, he's played 101 games and kicked 101 goals. The only other players on our list to average a goal a game or better are richo, brown, petts and hughes, who doesn't really count. Kraks has had a tough life and admits he needs to mature but he was born with a footy in his hands. He's not an athlete, he's a footballer. You watch him get snapped up if we let him go. Before he got injured he was playing all right. V. good against the crows, kicked 2 against the bombers (if that's all he does in a game he's done his job) and just about every player on the list could take a leaf out of his defensive skills book. He has brilliant hands in close, often trapping or winning the ball from opponents in packs. He never wastes a possession. Yeah he's not big or quick but he is a true footballer and we don't have enough of those. Get off his back, his best is ahead of him.

Count me in the group that says Krakouer has had enough time to strut his stuff at Richmond and he just does not cut it IMO.

Just have a look at a comparison between him and Edwards.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=15&pid1=333&tid2=15&pid2=1744

Edwards is 6 years younger yet weighs only 3 kg less than Krak while being taller as well. Plays further up the ground while also being a dangerous type around goal. Tackles well against bigger opponents and is not scared to take the game on. Krakouer is happy to sit in the F50 most of the game and wait for things to happen. If we could off load Krakouer to Port, who have shown some interest in him for a second/third round pick then I would take it. If he happens to blossom like Rodan did then good luck to him, I don't really see him as that big a loss anyway.

To me Krakouer is one of those players you have a the cream on the cake who can do that special something when all is going well, but when he actually has to go and make it happen struggles. Watched on occassions this year when Wallce has thrown him in the middle to try and apply some pressure only to see him get brushed aside like a rag doll. Edwards does get caught every now and then when trying to make something happen but at least the kid is giving it a go. Once he gets a bit of strength into his frame he will be a much better player than Krakouer ever was at Richmond.

Sorry to say for those that want him around but you can add Krakouer's name to the list of departures that currently stands at: Kingsley, Hartigan, Knobel & Gaspar.