Troy Selwood had a serious back injury last pre season and this limited his preparation severely in 2007. I don't have Selwood in my best 22 and i think this year is a make or break one for him. In a weak team a bloke like Selwood has a purpose, he tags well and is hard at the ball. We tend to overlook weaknesses because when your team is underperforming those qualities tend to endear players to us. The reality is, if our side is going to be strong most players will be aggressive at the pill and accountable. Selwood suffers from a lack of pace and athletic ability, he may be supremely fit but he does not carry the ball well and does not break lines. He also is a poor user of the footy and does not hurt opposition teams with his possessions. Selwood is under the pump!
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Agree with your thread title but not sure it's his lack of pace, athleticism or his accountability that's holding him back. Poor use of the footy though is spot on. He is in a few people's best 22's but I just don't see him there. His tagging and defensive play just doesn't make up enough for his extremely poor disposal. Got no problems with him in our side being such a hard worker and all as long as he drastically improves his kicking and decision making. Pains me to say but would be in the firing line if someone has to go.
Selwood is a difficult one but I think you need a player like this in every team. Absolutely should be played in a tagging role, was not a fan of him playing down back, and highlighted his poor skills. However very fit, and a hard player, as you have all said ... when fit, he was definately our number 1 tagger, hopefully he can get back up to scratch this season with a full (?) pre season under his belt. Guys like JMAC and Begley are going to put pressure on him, I guess all we can do is wait and see what happens.
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He must cement his spot this season, or he would surely be under the spotlight to move on at the end of the season.
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where is this suddenly coming from????? We all know that selwood is a awesome player, and we all raved about him last year and now it looks like we are pointing out all the bad points about him, when he has been named one of the best taggers in the game.I think he is one of our standouts.
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I don't think he is under the pump. Despite his severe injury and having no preseason there was still a spot for him in the seniors. I'd say the match committee rate him a lot higher than you and probably most other fans do. Now that he's been able to train over the offseason he should be a lot better prepared for 2008.
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I agree with all your sentiments, i do think that this season will be an interesting one for him, at his best he must do a shut down run with role. I think he will be under the pump if our boys start to win games, i think he must add more strings to his bow.
I can see where all the Selwood doubters are coming from, my son also falls into this camp. However, while last season clearly wasn't his best, he did start off with a very serious injury and obviously his main task in the circumstances was to work his body back into some sort of reasonable footy shape. That he achieved this and a bit more is a testament to the bloke.
I think his last few games last season showed he was getting there and while I might be in the minority here, I think he will prove a very valuable player from here on in, injuries permitting.
Sure, he'll be under the pump, and so will a few others who may have been getting a game almost by default. And this is how it should be- competition for scarce places makes for a better side all round. If (this is a big if) we can manage our injuries better than in the past few seasons then there should be real competition for a change.
Unfortunately, the Lions suffer because of the big gap between AFL and the local competition, unlike the Melbourne clubs who have access to first-rate, full-on VFL sides where the gap to AFL standard is much less.
Moody is another bloke who has copped plenty in these pages recently, and fair enough. However, I also rate this bloke as a real chance- he knows how to get the ball, which is Rule #1.
I think his last few games last season showed he was getting there and while I might be in the minority here, I think he will prove a very valuable player from here on in, injuries permitting.
Sure, he'll be under the pump, and so will a few others who may have been getting a game almost by default. And this is how it should be- competition for scarce places makes for a better side all round. If (this is a big if) we can manage our injuries better than in the past few seasons then there should be real competition for a change.
Unfortunately, the Lions suffer because of the big gap between AFL and the local competition, unlike the Melbourne clubs who have access to first-rate, full-on VFL sides where the gap to AFL standard is much less.
Moody is another bloke who has copped plenty in these pages recently, and fair enough. However, I also rate this bloke as a real chance- he knows how to get the ball, which is Rule #1.
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Will always be on the fringes of the best 22 IMO.
Is a very handy type to have on your list for depth reasons though. If he expects to play 22 games a year though, he will need to show signs of improvement.
Is a very handy type to have on your list for depth reasons though. If he expects to play 22 games a year though, he will need to show signs of improvement.
Gee, I must be a very small minority here ! Selwood IMO is clearly in our best 22. Every team needs a lock down player or two and the beauty of Selwood is that he still gets the possies even when shutting down his opponent. Now that he is fully fit, there is going to be alot of red faces on this post at the end of the year. I would take Selwood over 5 Fixter's anyday (glad he is gone....).
Yes his disposal is not in the elite, but its not that bad.
Anyway, my main point here that you need to remember is - he's a Selwood !!!!!
Yes his disposal is not in the elite, but its not that bad.
Anyway, my main point here that you need to remember is - he's a Selwood !!!!!
Let's not forget the bloke couldn't stand up for about 3 months last year. His ability to run, let alone play AFL was in doubt. This question should be asked in 12 months time.
Selwood is probably just out of my best 22 atm but he has the talent to be a regular player. He needs to add another aspect to his game though. Specialist taggers (which he isn't atm) are worth next to nothing on smaller lists these days. We are one of the lowest possession-getting teams in the league, and can't afford too many negating types in the team. That said, he is the only one I would want on our list playing that role at the moment.
Selwood is probably just out of my best 22 atm but he has the talent to be a regular player. He needs to add another aspect to his game though. Specialist taggers (which he isn't atm) are worth next to nothing on smaller lists these days. We are one of the lowest possession-getting teams in the league, and can't afford too many negating types in the team. That said, he is the only one I would want on our list playing that role at the moment.
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I admire his courage and attack on the footy, but lowly skilled footballers with poor decision making skills are always going to cop it a bit from me. Has anyone got any suggestions as to what type of role he can play in the team if the shut down tagging doesn't work this year.
Maybe at the end of the yr you could offload him cheaply to WC?
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No Way.
I have read when Troy Selwood, returned to the AFLQ after his well documented back problems he played 3 consecutive games with Suncoast averaging 33 disposals. An effort that was rewarded with a return to the seniors where, against Essendon, he had a 35 disposals game.
Yes he is a tagger and a good one. Over the course of 2007 Champion Data have actually credited him with more disposals than his direct opponents.
I believe the way the game is played today some people maybe over looking some of the newer unfashionable “skills” now required for a basic team structure.
Poor decision-making is not a term I would generally link with the Selwood name, any of them.
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I agree he is limited,but what he excels at is enough to put him in my 22.
If the injury he is managing improves I think we haven't seen the best of him either.
Believe me when I say I was a massive critic of Adam in 2005, I think I was expecting too much of him but it turns out he is an awesome defender/rebounder/tagger and a massive asset to the team
just not very flashy, give troy a chance.
just not very flashy, give troy a chance.
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That would be fun for Joel in 1 or 2 seasons, having to play against Scott, Troy and Adam
Well its apart of my plan. Joel would soon feel like the odd one out and feel like hes missing out as the other 3 get to enjoy playing together. Joel would request a trade to WC to play with his other 3 brothers.
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Selwood's stats last year are misleading, he may have accumulated a heap of ball but most of it was from chipping among the backline. I am not writing him off, i expect a lot this year, i am sure his back injury would of hampered his mobility, kicking, fitness etc. Now that he is over it i expect to see a lot more from him. I continue to believe that he is not a good decison maker with the pill. When he gets it, you want him to give it to someone else straight away.
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Yes, I agree sometimes they can be... but I'd still rather be in possession and looking to use the ball attackingly than be chasing them defensively.
Fingers crossed... me too.
Well tell you what, if Brisbane don't want him i'm sure we at Essendon would welcome him with open arms... As would 14 other teams i'd expect.
He's a great player, wonderful tagger and i expect him to do well this year.
Big fan of this bloke
He's a great player, wonderful tagger and i expect him to do well this year.
Big fan of this bloke
Top bloke with great character but not convinced he has the weapons to keep himself ahead of others. When not injured, elite endurance is his 'best suit' but that by itself isn't quite the asset is once was with 70+ interchanges a game.
He's got footy smarts, discipline and bags of courage too.
Can a Hawkesly, Schmidt or Proud bring their pace and higher skills to the table and then over time match Bunno for endurance, smarts and toughness?
My money would say they can, but I'd love to have egg on my face by year's end.
He's got footy smarts, discipline and bags of courage too.
Can a Hawkesly, Schmidt or Proud bring their pace and higher skills to the table and then over time match Bunno for endurance, smarts and toughness?
My money would say they can, but I'd love to have egg on my face by year's end.
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I guess that there is a difference between half-marathon endurance and 1500m endurance. I think the latter is what Selwood has when he is fit - he has the ability to sustain 80% speed for a substantial period of time. This is the type of gut running that the elite midfielders often use to break a tag and so a good tagger needs to have a similar ability - not every players does.
At the end of 2006, I saw that Selwood had the ability to play the hard nosed tagger who still got some of the pill, particularly in the hard ball contests. I actually thought then that he had the attributes of the typical 22nd man in All-Australian selections - eg Ling in 2007 (possible unfair given his season), McDonald in 2006, Cornes in 2005, Kirk in 2004.
I agree that he doesn't have outstanding disposal or decision making, but I still believe that there is a place for the grunt who does a job on an opponent and dish out a dozen handballs from a pack. While I don't disagree that he is under the pump (based on 07), I see another 150 games for him. I actually see his performances in 2007 as a positive sign - that he could play as he did with no pre-season and still obviously suffering some physical effects is not a bad achievement. Moreso is that he did a serviceable job at times playing in an unfamilar role. He has almost the largest scope for improvement in our entire squad based on what we know he is capable of at his fittest.
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