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It'd be nice to see the FC batting stats from the last 2-3 seasons
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It'd be nice to see the FC batting stats from the last 2-3 seasons
They do need some senior heads they also need to bring in some players for the future. Who in that top 6 has the ability to become a world class batsman? Nobody
I get that but not all of the 4 failing bats are black. Even if they stick with the quota that I don’t agree with surely they can bring two of them in?
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Im not across teh quota system as much as others, nor players who may be missing out. Have enjoyed the posts here, and feel like ive learned something today. Can see the benefits and pitfalls of the system per se.
chatting to some fellow patrons at the bar yesterday, who bemoaned the system. "they should pick players on merit". They couldnt name anyone who could take the place of a quotaed player. Neither could I.
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chatting to some fellow patrons at the bar yesterday, who bemoaned the system. "they should pick players on merit". They couldnt name anyone who could take the place of a quotaed player. Neither could I.
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Still don't see where ngidi fits into this side right now, he is a fine bowler but not so good that they can justify leaving the batting so thin, they need to pick 3 best performing quicks and a spinner until batting vastly improves.
Need to fix the batting desperately. Moving Pietersen to open, Markram to three and Beddingham and Rickleton to 4 and 5. Looks a better team.
1. Keegan Pietersen
2. Dean Elgar
3. Aiden Markram
4. David Beddingham
5. Ryan Rickleton
6. Temba Bavuma
7. Kyle Verrynne
8. Marco Jansen
9. Keshav Maharaj
10. Kasigo Rabada
11. Lungi Ngidi
1. Keegan Pietersen
2. Dean Elgar
3. Aiden Markram
4. David Beddingham
5. Ryan Rickleton
6. Temba Bavuma
7. Kyle Verrynne
8. Marco Jansen
9. Keshav Maharaj
10. Kasigo Rabada
11. Lungi Ngidi
no nortje? surely he is a monty to get a gig over ngidi or jansen
no idea re the batsmen but i'd be putting bavuma higher up the order as the only one alongside the captain to be retained from the current xi's top order - yes he seems to be unable to get going beyond 'a start' and is awful running between the wickets, but he clearly values his wicket and knows where his off-stump is
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I am happy to be shown otherwise but I can’t actually remember him being a particular liability between wickets. The Maharaj run out was simply awful cricket but the Zondo one was marginal (shouldn’t have run on it but an immediate response from Zondo and he would have made it) and the Elgar one in the first innings was his own fault.
I agree he should bat higher. It’s not like he’s not used to coming in early anyway
being involved in three run outs in two tests ain't doing his running between the wickets ability any favours
if jansen is going to be a long-term player he needs to bat in the top 7; veryenne looks like a top six batsman
i'd have nortje in over ngidi
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Not at all I’m not saying otherwise I’m just saying I don’t recall it being an unwanted trademark in his career previously
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Jansen is probably the second or third best quick in the world this year before taking his batting into account
err why?
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I have Ngidi above Nortje in seaming conditions (England, NZ) and the other way around in faster conditions (Australia, SA).
It's razor thin though. Both are gun bowlers. Jansen's emergence throws a real spanner in the works there because at the moment he has rocketed into the number 2 bowler position, leaving two very good bowlers in his wake. Maybe Jansen will have a plateau or a period of getting found our where he moves back in the pack... but for now, Jansen is locked in that bowling line-up.
Playing all four quicks whilst your batting is this thin is not a recipe for success IMO. I understand the selection policy because their batting is genuinely that dire but aside from the occasional sugar hit when you roll through a team, I just don't think it's got long-term success written on it.
I wrote two years ago about the concerns regarding Makram and De Bruyn. Williamson and New Zealand test team ranked number one at years end - They are their two most talented batsmen, but neither are young (28 and 30) and Makram's career is in freefall and De Bruyn's never even took off... They just haven't been able to cover that loss of talent. Not impossible, but pretty doubts either of them can average 40+ (let alone 45+) in their test careers.
Jansen would be a real good number 8 but him at 7 with Verreyne at 6 inspires very little confidence.
Having blokes over 30 years old with such poor batting averages is just silly IMHO.
If you're going to get rolled for sub-200 scores, it might as well be with a bunch of young players who at least have the potential to get better, than with a revolving door of old blokes who been tried and failed in the past.
If you're going to get rolled for sub-200 scores, it might as well be with a bunch of young players who at least have the potential to get better, than with a revolving door of old blokes who been tried and failed in the past.
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Excellent post.
Aside from just their stature I actually see a lot of Jason Holder in Jansen as a batsman. Very languid, and quite correct in most of the shots he plays and I can see him becoming good enough to be a 7. I agree he isn’t one at the moment but maybe some short term pain will be worth some long term gain.
I knew it was shit before they got here.
They did amazingly well to beat India in a low scoring series a year ago. Involved Elgar and Petersen playing lots of gutsy knocks.
I predicted 3-0 before the series and would be very surprised if it doesn’t turn out this way. Their best shot was brisbane with the wicket a bit of a crapshoot.
I’d agree, unless their logic is they know they will get flogged regardless so better to have some older professionals rather than destroying young guys confidence.
I don’t agree with that, looking at FC averages it does look like they have better options for batting, but unsure how much of those runs are in their 1st or 2nd tier comps.
Elgar is right they need to play class opposition as much as possible in order to get better. We don’t want to see them go the way of the West Indies, which they are halfway to becoming (their batting is there already).
I still maintain that was down right idiotic to give them a wicket like that, we won but when you have a clear advantage in batting why turn game into a low scoring shootout on a green deck? could have easily been verreynne not head who won that game for his side.
I can’t honestly see test cricket surviving outside of the big 3 longer term. Basically go back to how it was pre WWII with only 3-4 countries playing.
NZ, Pakistan and SA most likely to keep playing some form of tests, SL, WI and Bangladesh not so much.
Then you go down to just 50 over and T20, but how many countries would even bother with 50 over cricket longer term?
NZ, Pakistan and SA most likely to keep playing some form of tests, SL, WI and Bangladesh not so much.
Then you go down to just 50 over and T20, but how many countries would even bother with 50 over cricket longer term?
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