South Africa - Where to now?

[Gough]

This is far more complex than removing him as Captain because he is Jewish - as many have pointed out. I witnessed some of the most obscene racism that I have ever seen first hand by a lad of the same background against a cape coloured kid in the very same team that we played in. This was in Sydney mid 90’s. Shameful.

I had a South African boyfriend for a few years and he knocked about with the some of the Jo'burg Jewish crowd, this was late 90s but some of things that came out of their mouths belonged in the nineteenth century.

 

[western royboy]

I had a South African boyfriend for a few years and he knocked about with the some of the Jo'burg Jewish crowd, this was late 90s but some of things that came out of their mouths belonged in the nineteenth century.

To say it was eye opening was an understatement

 

[Gough]

To say it was eye opening was an understatement

At that time most of them were discussing how to flee democracy in their own country. Every time Elon Musk opens his stupid surgically altered gob I think of those people.

 

[Black Diamond]

I am unconvinced that racism by Jews (or anyone) in the past should have anything to do with who captains their u19 team today.

 

[western royboy]

I am unconvinced that racism by Jews (or anyone) in the past should have anything to do with who captains their u19 team today.

I sincerely doubt that it’s in the past - it’s not something I want to get into because it’s a no win situation

 

[Black Diamond]

I sincerely doubt that it’s in the past - it’s not something I want to get into because it’s a no win situation

If he has directed racism toward his teammates or others, then he should be stood down and dropped from the team.

If he hasn’t, then one reading of this story is he has lost the captaincy for disagreeing with SA’s foreign policy. Maybe there are clauses requiring players to STFU?

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

I had a South African boyfriend for a few years and he knocked about with the some of the Jo'burg Jewish crowd, this was late 90s but some of things that came out of their mouths belonged in the nineteenth century.

What did the SAJ's think about apartheid?
Alot have left since it ended.

 

[big_e]

Where to for South Africa?

They're off to Lord's.

 

[Headless]

Where to for South Africa?

They're off to Lord's.

Caught me by surprise a bit. Great result.

 

[PhatBoy]

They’ve had a softer draw than some teams but they’ve been very clinical for the most part - they smoked India in the first test of their cycle and posted a big total against Bumrah and co.
They lost a test that followed on a pitch basically deemed unsafe.

They sent a team of unknowns to NZ and actually led the second test and set the Kiwis nearly 300 to win and had them in some bother before Williamson and Young got them home.

They won away in the Windies which could have caused a few problems as we were coming off the win in Australia and generally put up a reasonable fight at home, and Sri Lanka are an improving team who just took an away test off England and they disposed of them. Now they’ve won the first test of this series.

They’ve done a lot of it with players injured - their current list includes Nortje who has basically missed the entire year, Mulder who was excellent against SL, Coetzee, Burger who could be the best of all of them, Maharaj, and on the back of their most experienced player retiring.

It’s a fair recovery

 

[big_e]

Caught me by surprise a bit. Great result.

Some of the handwringing after they sent the B team to New Zealand seems pretty silly in hindsight.

 

[Trojan90]

They’re a fast bowling factory. Only need a few batsmen and they can compete. Currently Markram and Bavuma are holding up that end. If they can find a world class batsman there’s enough to build on.

 

[PhatBoy]

They’re a fast bowling factory. Only need a few batsmen and they can compete. Currently Markram and Bavuma are holding up that end. If they can find a world class batsman there’s enough to build on.

Bedingham is one to put some stock in. A bit inconsistent but he’s good enough

Was doing some reading before - the late Tertius Bosch has another son: Eathan.

He’s listed as a ‘fast’ bowler so I would assume that means he also breaks 140 like his brother, averages well under 30 and unsurprisingly for a South African can also bat - not genuine all rounder stuff but has a first class hundred and 7 50s. I think he’s playing for Essex as well. Wonder if he will pop into the set up at some stage?

 

[Trojan90]

Bump. Looks like it’s coming together for them. Honestly they had a lot in their favour but they got to the final and did the job.

 

[Sea fog]

Bump. Looks like it’s coming together for them. Honestly they had a lot in their favour but they got to the final and did the job.

Yes and perhaps it is a bit ironic they won the test final after so many critics lamenting the fact that they seemed to be sacrificing their test credentials for short form games.

 

[western royboy]

Yes and perhaps it is a bit ironic they won the test final after so many critics lamenting the fact that they seemed to be sacrificing their test credentials for short form games.

Look at the bigger picture - they won a one off test match (quite fairly and totally deserved to) where the opposition failed to play a warm up game and got what they deserved.

They will celebrate their status as ICC World Test Champions by playing ZERO home tests this summer, preferring to concentrate on a T20 hit and giggle comp bankrolled by the BCCI.

 

[cricketnut14]

Look at the bigger picture - they won a one off test match (quite fairly and totally deserved to) where the opposition failed to play a warm up game and got what they deserved.

They will celebrate their status as ICC World Test Champions by playing ZERO home tests this summer, preferring to concentrate on a T20 hit and giggle comp bankrolled by the BCCI.

they do play 8 tests the following home summer though.

hopefully this keeps them hungry for test cricket.

all teams in the WTC play 3 home series and 3 away series over a 2 year cycle.

it just happens that all 3 home series are in the same summer.

this cycle does see them playing 14 tests (plus 2 outside the WTC) as opposed to the 12 they just played.

v Zim (2) - A
v Pak (2) - A
v Ind (2) - A
v Aust (3) - H
v Bang (2) - H
v Eng (3) - H
v SL (2) - A

3 away series on the sub continent and hosting Eng and Aust will give them a real challenge this time around.
No games v NZ or WI.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

There are no tests in Sth Africa next summer because their grounds are being ugraded to host the T20 world cup

Strange that they wouldn't stagger it over a couple of seasons

 

[cricketnut14]

There are no tests in Sth Africa next summer because their grounds are being ugraded to host the T20 world cup

Strange that they wouldn't stagger it over a couple of seasons

the 2026 t20 world cup is in pakistan and the 2028 world cup is in Aust/NZ.

they do host the 2027 odi cup though.

end of the day the fixture revolves around england and australia getting 5-7 test home summer and india getting what they want. the rest just happen to fit in. you only have to look at the west indies - they used to play their home tests in april back in the day but because of IPL, its now pushed back to july.