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From todays SMH.
Looks like the Bracks govt is right afterall.

Life's cheaper in the faster state
January 14, 2004


Comparative data from the United States shows a speed limit increase does push up the road death toll, writes Peter Martin.

This year's holiday road toll was the worst in eight years. But it's not because we drive badly. When asked, more than three-quarters of us say our driving is better than average.

It is true NSW recorded more deaths than Victoria over Christmas (25 compared with 17), but that needn't mean we are bad drivers, either. In the reassuring words of the pro-free market Centre for Independent Studies: "Victoria has always enjoyed slightly safer roads per kilometre travelled compared with NSW."

Most of us are very easily reassured that the deaths on our roads are not our fault. Six out of 10 of us admit to speeding (which is presumably OK because we are better than average drivers); six out of 10 of us oppose attempts to make the road rules tougher.

Late last year the CIS offered encouragement to speeders. On the front page of its magazine it asked: "Speed Traps: Saving Lives or Raising Revenue?" Inside it argued that speed had little to do with road deaths and that those of us who speed moderately "tend to be the safest drivers".

Since then the CIS appears to have softened its stand. The latest edition of its magazine devotes equal space to both sides of the debate.

So in that spirit I would like to take a look at what is actually happening in Victoria and whether it has any lessons for us here in NSW.

It is beyond doubt that there are far fewer road deaths south of the Murray: 334 last year compared with 553 in NSW. Victoria's population is lower, but not low enough to account for the difference.

It is also beyond doubt that Victoria enforces its speed rules more rigidly. In that state you will be booked if you are caught driving just 3kmh over the speed limit. In NSW we expect to be allowed to drive up to 10 per cent over the limit.

And in Victoria the speed cameras are hidden. Nineteen per cent of Victorian drivers say they have been booked in the last two years. In NSW the proportion is only 12 per cent. (The tough approach has become a political issue in Victoria. The Opposition has promised to reset the cameras to catch fewer speeders.)

The CIS is right to say that these facts do not necessarily mean that Victoria's approach has brought about the lower rate of deaths. There could be something else at work. To conclusively determine whether getting tough on speed saves lives you would need to run a controlled experiment in perhaps as many as 50 states which were free to vary their road rules over a period of years.

Fortunately the United States has conducted just such an experiment.

During the energy crisis of 1974 the Carter administration succeeded in enforcing a low nationwide US speed limit of just 55 miles per hour (88kmh). Road deaths slid 15 per cent.

From 1987 each state again became free to choose to lift the limit on its rural interstate roads. Within a year most states had lifted their limit to 65mph. But seven left the limit unchanged.

In a paper soon to be published in the Journal of Political Economy, the economists Orley Ashenfelter from Princeton University and Michael Greenstone from the University of Chicago examine what happened in those states that lifted their limits. Their findings are surprising.

First, the actual increase in speed in those states was quite low, an average of only 2mph (3.2kmh) on the roads affected. The professors say that is because a lot of drivers on those roads were already speeding.

Second, the small increase appears to have pushed up deaths per mile on those roads by an astounding 36 per cent.

So the professors asked a question only economists would ask: what benefit had the drivers in those states gained in exchange for each of the extra deaths?

The answer was reduced travel time - about 125,000 hours were saved for each extra life lost, which valued at the average wage rate, worked out at a benefit to drivers of about $US1.5 million ($1.9 million) per life lost.

Did the states that pushed up their speed limits value life too cheaply?

Perhaps not. That value of $US1.5 million per life is curiously close to the average $US1.8 million per life which is to be paid out in compensation to families of victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Those US states that chose not to lift their speed limits valued lives more highly.

If speeding rules are indeed linked to deaths in the way that the US data suggests, then right now Victoria is valuing human life more highly than is NSW.

Those of us who enjoy the more relaxed approach to speeding law enforcement in this state are perhaps fortunate that no one has done the calculation for Australia.

Peter Martin, a former Treasury official, is the economics correspondent for SBS Television.
 
Heres what I'd like to see.

Many cars have a citylink transponder and many have a speed alarm

Why not put transponders in all the roads with the speed limit so we actually get an audible alarm when we are speeding.

Speed limit markings are VERY inadequate in this state, often you find you are guessing from the speed of other traffic what the limit is
 
Originally posted by billy big ears
It is true NSW recorded more deaths than Victoria over Christmas (25 compared with 17), but that needn't mean we are bad drivers, either. In the reassuring words of the pro-free market Centre for Independent Studies: "Victoria has always enjoyed slightly safer roads per kilometre travelled compared with NSW."

From my experience living in NSW a couple of years ago that could be attributed to the **** quality of NSW roads. The freeways (and not-so-free-ways) are all good roads, but most of the other arterial roads in Sydney (and in the surrounding areas) were of a noticeably lower standard than their WA equivalents. The roads in Vic all seemed better as well although I'm not sure I've driven around Vic enough to make a real judgement.
 

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Is there a reason why car makers continue to make more powerful engines?

If the maximum speed limit is 100km, shouldn't car engines be made to have a maximum speed limit of 100 too?
 
Originally posted by Iverson
Is there a reason why car makers continue to make more powerful engines?

If the maximum speed limit is 100km, shouldn't car engines be made to have a maximum speed limit of 100 too?

A limit is impractical as speed cannot be limited, only RPM, and large amounts of RPM are needed in lower gears. I'm no mechanic but that's about the jist of it.
 
From memory a lot of the decrease in the road toll in Victoria is the number of pedestrians that are killed, I recall hearing that there are still a similar number of pedestrian accidents but due to the lower speed limit, that deaths are being avoided.

I got booked doing 63 in a 60 zone a few years back and I copped it, I tell you I haven't sped since. I don't tolerate people who whinge about speeding and the low tolerance. The speed limit is the speed limit, not 10% over the limit, if there would be a 10% tolerance then the limit should be 66.

I admit it is somewhat hard sometimes not to go over the limit, expecially on Citylink where the limit is 80, but it is the limit and people who go over the limit should face the consequences.

The "Wipe off 5" campaign has also had a big effect in Victoria, I believe. Where the limit is 70, drive at 65, then you are assured of not getting booked and 5kph less is hardly noticable.

Just my $0.02 worth
 
Originally posted by Dry Rot
There are speed limiters in trucks. Would be simple to also do for modern cars, if there was political will to do so.
No, for three reasons:

1) If the speed limit is 60 kmh, 50kmh, or even 40kmh in a school zone, having a limit of 100 will hardly help.
2) Would be dangerous because sometimes you need to speed up to avoid an accident, ie The 100km limit would mainly come into play on country roads and motorways. People will always overtake people regardless and if they overtake on the other side of the road and oncoming traffis is close, they won't have the option of speeding up to avoid an accident.
3) People would rort it just like many truck drivers do

Limiting cars to 100khm is just a bad idea.
 
Speed does NOT kill. Stopping quickly does.

When our state government spends as much money on driver education as they do on speed cameras, I'll believe they give a stuff about the road toll.
 

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