Tambling.

[Old M8]

I was a big supporter of Bling. He never asked to be taken at pick 4. He was judged, by many, as the second best player underage player for that year. Drafting 18 year old's will ALWAYS be a gamble. You don't know that they can't take their game to the next level. What they do in the under 18's may be the best they can produce. There was only ever going to be one player we would take at pick 4 that year. Roughhead, or Tambling. Franklin was at no point in the picture. Hawthorn took Roughead when they were expected to take Tambling, and we took Tambling when we were supposed to take Roughhead. Franklin had an awful under 18 carnival from accounts and was lucky to be taken at pick 5 if it wasn't for Clarksons recruiting methods at the time. It paid off.

People VERY quickly forget other draft bungles.
2003- Geelong-Pick 7- Kane Tenace

2003- St Kilda- Pick 8- Raph Clarke.

2005-Hawthorn Pick 6- Beau Dowler
Next pick, pick 7: Paddy Ryder.

2006- Essendon, Pick 2- Scott Gumbleton.

2006- Hawthorn-Pick 6: Mitch Thorpe.
Next pick, pick 7: Joel Selwood.
In that draft the were told by some to take the guy that went at pick 13. Jack Riewoldt.

2007- Pick 6- Essendon: David Myers.

2007-Pick 3- West Coast: Chris Masten.
(I know a couple of these guys are still playing, but Tambling was getting criticised for being taken early and having little impact, and these players haven't done alot, yet.)

They delisted Thorpe after 2 years, and got ZILCH for him.

We traded Bling and got a first round pick and pick 50! Yet we get CRUCIFIED!

Yes we may have had our fair share of drafting stuff ups, but every team does.

There will be more top 10 picks that go on to do nothing. You can do to stop that.

I just don't quite understand why we are mauled for taking Tambling when we got something back for him, and other teams also make mistakes but get nothing back.

It must just be fun getting a reaction out of Richmond supporters, like my reaction here!

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

You make a point, we did get two solid picks from Tambling. While Hawthorn got nothing from Thorpe.

But 'Bling was an awesome under 18 prospect and I believe our development of him along with his own personal issues prevented him from reaching his full potential.

 

[criticize]

a bit unfair to list gumbelton as he has been ruined by injuries and not had a chance to develop. compared to the others you listed

 

[Shere Khan]

I just don't quite understand why we are mauled for taking Tambling

So you thought you'd start another thread just so the mauling can continue ? Smart move.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Richmond should be applauded for getting 2 picks for Tambling, in all honesty. I'm still not sure what Adelaide were thinking.

Thorp's ego was a major downfall. He also had some injuries that he struggled to overcome. He was a super talented KP youngster. Everyone knew that pre-draft.

Similarly, Tambling and others haven't been able to step up to the elite level, whether that be due to mental or physical concerns. They won't be the last highly rated kids to do so either.

Sean Rusling

Mitchell Thorp

Daniel O'keefe

Tom Hislop

Albert Proud

Clayton Collard

Danny Myers

Darren Pfieffer

Ryan Cook

Cleve Hughes

John Meeson

Adam Thompson

Chris Egan

Adam Pattison

Ryan Willits

Matt Little

Brad Howard

There are all first and second round picks that have either been discarded or are touted to be before the list deadlines of this year.

And that's not all of them either.

People need to realise that recruiting is not an exact science, and not every player that is rated highly or drafted in the first and second rounds will ultimately make it.

 

[jko'neal]

Our bad picks will forever be topic of conversation until we break out of our crap cycle for a long period. Fact is all sides have had bad picks over the years but playing finals and winning Premierships have covered up for their poor draft choices.

 

[Kram]

Fact is all sides have had bad picks over the years but playing finals and winning Premierships have covered up for their poor draft choices.

Yep, that's about it.

 

[Jesse Custer]

I know, thats why I said "I know a couple of these guys are still playing, but Tambling was getting criticised for being taken early and having little impact, and these players haven't done alot, yet."

Gumbleton has talent, no doubt, as well as Myers. But they haven't done a whole lot yet. Tambling was being slaughtered by people even though he was playing football. Just not to the standard Franklin was.

But how was anyone supposed to know Franklin would turn out to be a monster? Or Gumbleton having trouble getting on the ground? Or Tambling being a complete flop? No one can see the future.

 

[THE_GUN]

I was another that was hopeing that tambling would eventually breakout & it never happened even with all the support he recieved at richmond and many would be suprised but the club didnt leave a stone unturned to accomadate his needs & wishes.

Atleast we have to thank him for asking for a trade & secuering us a 1st & 3rd round pick which at least compensates the club for their investment.

After 9-10 rounds of tambling at adelaide, I have come to the opinion that what you see with bling is what you get ............... Average player with too man psycological issues that has been lucky

Very lucky in fact to get 8-10 years of afl football, I hope he can get to play 90-95 games for the crows

He has already played over 100 for the tigers and i understand he has a son ..................... Hope the son becomes the bling we were after

 

[Old M8]

But how was anyone supposed to know Franklin would turn out to be a monster? Or Gumbleton having trouble getting on the ground? Or Tambling being a complete flop? No one can see the future.

Thats exactly what i'm saying. I'm not criticising the draft picks, i'm saying that its impossible to know how these players will turn out. They may have already peaked at 18 and that is the best they can produce. Or being unfortunately injury prone. At the time these picks are the right selection. If Essendon had passed on Gumbleton he would almost certainly have been chosen at pick 3, and the same with Tambling. If he wasn't picked at pick 4 I could almost guarantee Hawthorn would have taken him pick 5. They were expected to take him at pick 2 anyway.

Thats why teams basically shouldn't be canned for their draft selections, these things are IMPOSSIBLE to know. At the time any team would do the same.

 

[ize_]

So you thought you'd start another thread just so the mauling can continue ? Smart move.

Exactly. The sooner people stop labeling him as a pick 4 the sooner others will forget about it. It's ancient history now - he's not a pick 4 standard, he never will be, the draft's a gamble, Richmond lost it in this instance. He is a solid contributor to Adelaide's best 22 and would probably be the same in most 22s, but not all. That's all there is to it.

 

[the distributer]

Richmond should be applauded for getting 2 picks for Tambling, in all honesty. I'm still not sure what Adelaide were thinking.

Agreed, couldn't believe my ears when i heard it, if the bloke wasn't a high draft pick he wouldv'e been delisted years ago IMO.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

2006- Essendon, Pick 2- Scott Gumbleton.

Perennially injured. Can't compare. Coaching staff still have high hopes.

2007- Pick 6- Essendon: David Myers.

Going along beautifully this year after struggling with injury for the past few.

Averaging 19 disposals and beating his opponent every week. Would be one of the first picked if playing for the Tiges.

 

[GordonGecko]

I was a big supporter of Bling. He never asked to be taken at pick 4. He was judged, by many, as the second best player underage player for that year. Drafting 18 year old's will ALWAYS be a gamble. You don't know that they can't take their game to the next level. What they do in the under 18's may be the best they can produce. There was only ever going to be one player we would take at pick 4 that year. Roughhead, or Tambling. Franklin was at no point in the picture. Hawthorn took Roughead when they were expected to take Tambling, and we took Tambling when we were supposed to take Roughhead. Franklin had an awful under 18 carnival from accounts and was lucky to be taken at pick 5 if it wasn't for Clarksons recruiting methods at the time. It paid off.

People VERY quickly forget other draft bungles.
2003- Geelong-Pick 7- Kane Tenace

2003- St Kilda- Pick 8- Raph Clarke.

2005-Hawthorn Pick 6- Beau Dowler
Next pick, pick 7: Paddy Ryder.

2006- Essendon, Pick 2- Scott Gumbleton.

2006- Hawthorn-Pick 6: Mitch Thorpe.
Next pick, pick 7: Joel Selwood.
In that draft the were told by some to take the guy that went at pick 13. Jack Riewoldt.

2007- Pick 6- Essendon: David Myers.

2007-Pick 3- West Coast: Chris Masten.
(I know a couple of these guys are still playing, but Tambling was getting criticised for being taken early and having little impact, and these players haven't done alot, yet.)

They delisted Thorpe after 2 years, and got ZILCH for him.

We traded Bling and got a first round pick and pick 50! Yet we get CRUCIFIED!

Yes we may have had our fair share of drafting stuff ups, but every team does.

There will be more top 10 picks that go on to do nothing. You can do to stop that.

I just don't quite understand why we are mauled for taking Tambling when we got something back for him, and other teams also make mistakes but get nothing back.

It must just be fun getting a reaction out of Richmond supporters, like my reaction here!

It's more to do with the fact that Buddy has been the Best Forward in the game, impacting the league in a Carey like manner.

It was amplified by a smug and reckless Wallace who boasted about having the two best kids in the draft, how wrong he was.

It was also pretty stupid to pick two flankers when two KPP options, with some quality were available.

Pretty much somes Richmond up over last 25 years.

Poor.

Finally things look to be changing.

Adelaide are the new Richmond.

 

[criticize]

Going along beautifully this year after struggling with injury for the past few.

Averaging 19 disposals and beating his opponent every week. Would be one of the first picked if playing for the Tiges.

Myers? your having a laugh.

 

[MightyTiger]

It's more to do with the fact that Buddy has been the Best Forward in the game, impacting the league in a Carey like manner.

It was amplified by a smug and reckless Wallace who boasted about having the two best kids in the draft, how wrong he was.

It was also pretty stupid to pick two flankers when two KPP options, with some quality were available.

Pretty much somes Richmond up over last 25 years.

Poor.

Finally things look to be changing.

Adelaide are the new Richmond.

It was stupid but you could understand what the club was trying to do at the time, we still had Richardson in the side who was still in his prime and we had also drafted Schulz in 2002, we also recruited Cleve Hughes in 2005 with Pick 24, although he was then delisted a few years after it's not like the club totally ignored the fact that we needed a few more KPFs, it's just that we still had a Champion Forward in Richardson in his prime and wanted to build around that.

Hindsight's a lovely thing, if we had of Drafted Franklin instead of Tambling we most likely would of ended up another mid-table club who pushes to play Finals but not good enough to win a Flag, instead we ended up getting rid of Wallace and some other cancers that were at the club at the time, have cleaned out the majority of the dead wood and have gained some decent picks that went on to be

Jack Riewoldt
Trent Cotchin
Tyrone Vickery
Dustin Martin
Reece Conca
Jake Batchelor

Our good run with drafting really only began in 06, with our 09 drafting of Martin, Griffiths, Astbury and a few others and 2010 of Conca, Batchelor, Helbig, MacDonald and Derickx all looking like good pick ups.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

the reason richmond copped it was because of wallace, and in turn their supporters all saying what a mistake hawthorn made by not selecting tambling, and how richmond got "the best 2 players in the draft"


had wallace and richmond supporters shut their trap, nothing would be made of it (remember, the dogs picked griffen and williams at 3 and 6)

the difference is, they didnt run to the streets firing off flares in triumph of a battle that hadnt begun.


you mention other drafts, once again, the teams you mention didnt go around boasting about how awesome they were in getting those players....

 

[PloughWallace]

Your facts are wrong. Richard Tambling was a great player for our great club.

 

[jackess]

I think Sydney is starting to catch up to Richmond in struggling to use first round picks well.

2005 - Trading for Ted Richards
2006 - D O'Keefe
2007 - Veszpremi
2008 - Johnston
2009 - Jetta (Rohan will probably be good)

 

[overtheline]

Just another dud Richmond have disposed of.
Polo, Pattison, Meyer all recent departures who have failed to prove the club wrong.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Going along beautifully this year after struggling with injury for the past few.

Averaging 19 disposals and beating his opponent every week. Would be one of the first picked if playing for the Tiges.

Battler who lacks pace. Gets off very lightly in reviews of early picks.

Pleased with what we managed to wring from the Crows for Richie. They possibly envisioned him, in his best form, as a replacement for McLeod. May yet click but the odds are against it.

 

[slimdusty4]

the reason richmond copped it was because of wallace, and in turn their supporters all saying what a mistake hawthorn made by not selecting tambling, and how richmond got "the best 2 players in the draft"

AT THE TIME THEY WERE THE TWO BEST OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
from my knowledge, tambling was heavily touted as favourite to go at #1, so richmond let people think that because they all wanted deledio, in doing so richmond dummied every one, took deledio, and because the dogs and hawks had agreed on other players, tambling was let slide to pick#4. it was a coup and if it had come off we would be praising them to this very day....

but it didnt.

But how was anyone supposed to know Franklin would turn out to be a monster? Or Gumbleton having trouble getting on the ground? Or Tambling being a complete flop? No one can see the future.

this is the point mate! (everybody gets on our back), nobody was to know what was going to happen, but at the time, tambling was the best 17 year old talent in the land, (barr lara bingle).

we made a profit for him, and we still cop it...

letting kepler go to freo is starting to look like a mistake, as is houlip) to richmond...

then again, so is rodan to port

 

[mellowyellow]

Just another dud Richmond have disposed of.

And yet this dud ends up on your list and we are compensated well for it...

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

Adelaide are the new Richmond.

Excuse me?

 

[slimdusty4]

Just another dud Richmond have disposed of.
wrong
And yet this dud ends up on your list and we are compensated well for it...

hahah.
if i were an adelaide supporter i would not be jumping on this and bagging richmond very quickly.

not only are their draft choices (recently) undesireable, they are the ones who paid handsomely for the "dud"