List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Drafted

• Bo Allan - Pick 16
• Jobe Shanahan - Pick 30
• Tom Gross - Pick 46
• Lucca Grego - Pick 48
• Hamish Davis - Pick 65
• Malakai Champion - Cat B

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Trade and draft period

In: F1, F2, F3, Baker, Owies, Graham, Allan, Shanahan, Gross, Grego, Davis, Champion
Out: 3, 63, F3, F4, Barrass, Darling

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Reid, Lindsay, and TT are midfielders. TT had others in front of him so had to settle for HB. Allan is a halfback who has moved to the midfield. He plays like a midfielder to me.

The problem is they're not the top tier. There's 700 odd players in the AFL. The best 700 aged between 19-33. That's the best players out of 15 age groups. In every draft, 70 kids out of one age group try to cut it in the big pool of 15 age groups. Only a small amount will make it. We know that there is a skew towards the top players in each draft making it.

So whether the kids around pick 12 are HBF's or don't make it, it's the same thing. They're not the top talent and have a lesser chance of cutting it in the big pool.

Zero chance Lindsay is playing midfield in first 2 years. He will begin at HB and move to the midfield over time would be the hope. Otherwise he could easily also be the next Liam Duggan who isnt a needle mover but is a okay investment still. Thing is I think we need midfield rotations now, not in 2 years time

FOS/Draper would be in that midfield in Round 1 2025. Lindsay wont im afraid and that is the difference and issue we have

 

[Dark Sharks]

Put Warner next to Reid in a midfield and opposition will be really worried. We can support them with a bunch of grunt mids willing to do the blocking and two way running (have already started with Graham and Baker). Hopefully one of our other draftees steps into midfield rotations as well to add some class (Hewett/Hough/R1 2024).

I'd happily trade for him unless the top 10 pick we're giving up is a sure thing like Reid.

Firstly, he's partnered up with Heeney and Gulden already, both have accomplished more, and more consistently than Harley Reid. If he can't get off the leash consistently enough with those 2 around, he's definitely not doing it with just Harley. His support staff around him other than those 2 is also greater than ours as well.

Despite all that, he's still often a passenger that drifts in and out of games. Certainly not a superstar of the comp and not worth a king's ransom.

Secondly, it's not going to be just a small price. We'll overpay, to add a player to a team that isn't even competitive, let alone contending. Why? He isn't too good to pass up, not by a long stretch.

Lastly, what Happens if we lose Reid? We're left with 3rd string Chad as the flog leading our midfield of inexperienced players, having given up vital draft capital to get him over. Sound familiar?

 

[Obeanie1]

Surely if the 2nd and 3rd best KPP’s are on the board (guys who are considered in or around the top 10) we shop the pick.

It is an even group around there for smalls, we could shift back 4/5 spots and almost certainly get the player we wanted.

Obviously assuming that only Tauru goes prior to our pick as a tall, which I consider unlikely, but if so then we should split.


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Spot on.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Zero chance Lindsay is playing midfield in first 2 years. He will begin at HB and move to the midfield over time would be the hope. Otherwise he could easily also be the next Liam Duggan who isnt a needle mover but is a okay investment still. Thing is I think we need midfield rotations now, not in 2 years time

FOS/Draper would be in that midfield in Round 1 2025. Lindsay wont im afraid and that is the difference and issue we have

Me: He's not the top tier so the chance of him being a gun is not very high
You: He's going to start of HB so he's not as good as the others

We're basically saying the same thing.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Firstly, he's partnered up with Heeney and Gulden already, both have accomplished more, and more consistently than Harley Reid. If he can't get off the leash consistently enough with those 2 around, he's definitely not doing it with just Harley. His support staff around him other than those 2 is also greater than ours as well.

Despite all that, he's still often a passenger that drifts in and out of games. Certainly not a superstar of the comp and not worth a king's ransom.

Secondly, it's not going to be just a small price. We'll overpay, to add a player to a team that isn't even competitive, let alone contending. Why? He isn't too good to pass up, not by a long stretch.

Lastly, what Happens if we lose Reid? We're left with 3rd string Chad as the flog leading our midfield of inexperienced players, having given up vital draft capital to get him over. Sound familiar?

All true but I dont trust our drafting to do better then Warner so really we should just run with it. No doubt in my mind if Warner comes here, he becomes a lesser player for the reasons you said. Even forget Heeney/Gulden you also got Rowbottom whose a absolute beast when it comes to blocking for his teammates. Its a different gravy in Sydney compared to us who have 3 players running after the same football like seagulls on a chip.

Warner to me is the too good to pass up, especially when you look at what we have done recently otherwise. It doesnt mean he is going to come here and win a Brownlow or I guess even be worth the price we pay. Its just the safer choice

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Thats just a fairytale. If KPPS are all thats left we simply reach for Taj Hotton and eat the loss.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I want to trade our pick to North for their F1. If they make an offer, I hope we'd take it.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Me: He's not the top tier so the chance of him being a gun is not very high
You: He's going to start of HB so he's not as good as the others

We're basically saying the same thing.

Same result but 2 different reasons why and I think my reason why is a bit more worrying. Even if he does succeeed out of his skin, the result is lesser because its a HBF and not a midfielder he will excel at.

Its up in the air what impact he has in 2025. All I know is if he does have a impact, its not in the area of the field we need it to be

 

[Obeanie1]

Firstly, he's partnered up with Heeney and Gulden already, both have accomplished more, and more consistently than Harley Reid. If he can't get off the leash consistently enough with those 2 around, he's definitely not doing it with just Harley. His support staff around him other than those 2 is also greater than ours as well.

Despite all that, he's still often a passenger that drifts in and out of games. Certainly not a superstar of the comp and not worth a king's ransom.

Secondly, it's not going to be just a small price. We'll overpay, to add a player to a team that isn't even competitive, let alone contending. Why? He isn't too good to pass up, not by a long stretch.

Lastly, what Happens if we lose Reid? We're left with 3rd string Chad as the flog leading our midfield of inexperienced players, having given up vital draft capital to get him over. Sound familiar?

Heeney and Gulden arent gun inside mids. They are much more outside with Heeney playing more on ball this year.

Gulden is much more outside.

You put Harley, Warner and Kelly on ball who gets tagged?

Hewett potentially gets off the leash.

And what happens if Harley goes? We get a blend of quality picks and players back. That is what would happen.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I want to trade our pick to North for their F1. If they make an offer, I hope we'd take it.

If we want Chad Warner that move just makes zero sense. All we are doing is getting a nice gift for Sydney

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Heeney and Gulden arent gun inside mids. They are much more outside with Heeney playing more on ball this year.

Gulden is much more outside.

You put Harley, Warner and Kelly on ball who gets tagged?

Hewett potentially gets off the leach.

And what happens if Harley goes? We get a blend of quality picks and players back. That is what would happen.

Good lord, no one is tagging Kelly mate.

If Reid is a gun inside midfielder we are just wasting him away. I want Reid to be the next Heeney, not the next James Rowbottom.

The scenario we have here is we dont have a James Rowbotton, nor do we have a player even close it. Not having that player will make Warner lesser for sure

 

[juice568]

What would it cost us for north's pick 2?

 

[WCEConnor23]

That’s what I think is inventing a good result that just isn’t. Lindsay is a massive downgrade on a guy like FOS. Lindsay will at best be a HBF for first few years when what we are desperate for is a midfielder. If the plan is for Baker to play HB, Duggan at HB, then we just have Lindsay as a third option in a role that which has 2 30 plus year olds running around in its midfield

The one of those 3 who could rescue this shit show is Reid but he ain’t sliding that far. Even dumber is post Lindsay we now want to target Luke Trainor because we didn’t bother going a mature backup in the rookie draft. Add Champion in as a small forward when we traded in a highly paid overrated small forward and you basically got the most unbalanced trade period of all time. At best we get 1 midfielder out of this…. It’s laughable

How's he a massive downgrade? he had a better year than FOS.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

If we want Chad Warner that move just makes zero sense. All we are doing is getting a nice gift for Sydney

We just have to man up and offer what is fair and be prepared to walk away.

Let's say we come 17th. North 14th. Hawks 10th.

2, 5, 9. I'm offering 9 and a 2nd rounder and will budge to 5 and a second round.

Lets say Hawks finish 4th.

2, 5, 15. I'm not budging past 5 and 15.

We don't have to give them everything we have.

 

[Obeanie1]

So noticed that this years AA u18 CHB Clancy Dennis from WA isnt getting a lot of love in phantom drafts both media and non media.

A likely pick in the 40s or even 50s?

Surely we do something late here? Its just a no brainer isnt it?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

What would it cost us for north's pick 2?

We don't have anything they want.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Good lord, no one is tagging Kelly mate.

If Reid is a gun inside midfielder we are just wasting him away. I want Reid to be the next Heeney, not the next James Rowbottom.

The scenario we have here is we dont have a James Rowbotton, nor do we have a player even close it. Not having that player will make Warner lesser for sure

Hutch says hello

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Hutch says hello

He's unproven. All club's supporters love to think a fringe player will end up top-tier. It's possible, but there's no point counting chickens until they hatch.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Although TT might have more upside I don’t like the ambiguity of him being a back that ‘could be a mid’ a la Ginbey’s position currently (who btw I think will eventually earn a spot in the middle - when he is the biggest player in the comp) …. so I’m actually hoping for a Lindsay, Reid or Allan.

My feeling is that there will likely be a gun ready made mid available at our first pick and that’s where we should head

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How's he a massive downgrade? he had a better year than FOS.

I don’t believe my opinion is grander than every other club in the AFL. If he is going top 3 he is the better player until Lindsay shows otherwise

 

[squashface]

Although TT might have more upside I don’t like the ambiguity of him being a back that ‘could be a mid’ a la Ginbey’s position currently (who btw I think will eventually earn a spot in the middle - when he is the biggest player in the comp) …. so I’m actually hoping for a Lindsay, Reid or Allan.

My feeling is that there will likely be a gun ready made mid available at our first pick and that’s where we should head

 

[juice568]

We don't have anything they want

At pick 12 they could grab a tall. We could trade 12 and the hawks f1. I don't think we want to trade up though.

 

[Lazzas]

Although TT might have more upside I don’t like the ambiguity of him being a back that ‘could be a mid’ a la Ginbey’s position currently (who btw I think will eventually earn a spot in the middle - when he is the biggest player in the comp) …. so I’m actually hoping for a Lindsay, Reid or Allan.

My feeling is that there will likely be a gun ready made mid available at our first pick and that’s where we should head

TT is nothing like Ginbey, he sees ball gets ball, has played mid and forward. Any four of those player's will be gone.

 

[Knifey Spoony]

Can't wait to draft Murphy Reid just for the social media team to drop this meme

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Ginbey has been told he’s a back after 30 odd games in the middle. Could see history repeating if we get TT. Like both but right now I’d like a more pure mid