Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[HoopsAhoy]

That's the point when Pridham needed Kirk Lazarus as his media advisor.

 

[Coolangatta]

The irreversible damage drugs cause in the body aren't a soft science like psychology.

Yeah, I edited my post, forgot to mention I have a major in addiction studies, Mr. Armchair Expert. Also, spoken like a person who's never studied psychology.

 

[Mr Magic]

Oh
Sigh.....

Do you really think after this week we need MORE illuminating on why people find him divisive?

It was a comparison on how well Betts does the same thing and has a unifying influence and in comparison to Wilson's diatribe yesterday, it's showing clearly that its not the cause that has "divided " people.

Headline kind of helps if you're unsure

Eddie Betts and Adam Goodes have the same mission but are tackling it different ways, writes Dwayne Russell

I think though the Crows are closer to reality and have a better understanding of the indigenous plight and more care for their issues. They are more likely to speak for the heart, be direct and transparent


Remember the Swans focus on Sydney property prices which are distant to indigenous issues and guys like Packer surely have more care for the Asian dollar and his casino revenue than the sustainability of the indigenous in this country. Swans and their stakeholders are more likely to pay lip service, a greek referendum, so with smoke and mirrors the indigenous look as though they are cared for with the odd casino job, or a politicians job for a sole indigenous person as a beacon for BS,but ultimately the Narungga people and the interests of the Sydney elite are very different. Donald Trump looks to have done more for indigenous in USA recently than the Sydney elite have ever done for the indigenous in vast regions of Australia including the Narungga people where Goodes has links to, so largely the indigenous people in substance are thrown under a bus by the elite, while at the same time blowing wind up Goodes's but so they can claim they are nice. One can see why the Sydney elite care about the image of their indigenous icons because largely they share no concern for the indigenous at all in Australia IMO and, if anything, work to create the inequality that causes mainstream indigenous to be disaffected when the rubber hits the road away from the Alice and Wonderland rhetoric from the Sydney productions.

The difference most likely is Adelaide care enough about the indigenous to tell them the truth so they can actually help themselves make better decisions for their people to get ahead in life!

 

[threesixpio]

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Did I write that?

 

[DERIBERATE]

Yeah, I edited my post, forgot to mention I have a major in addiction studies, Mr. Armchair Expert. Also, spoken like a person who's never studied psychology.

Spoken like a psychology student there - more time spent validating itself as a science than developing the science.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Psych student (4th year) with a major in addiction studies. I think the war on drugs is a joke and I am furious we aren't seriously looking at the Portuguese harm reduction model that decriminalises personal drug use. They treat addiction as a public health issue and not a criminal one. There is substantial evidence - the British Journal of Criminology, among them, to show how effective the model has been (a 50% drop in addiction rates). I think fixing the way our country deals with drug users would go a long way to helping fight the systemic racism Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders are faced with, because right now, bigots with power are having a field day and I'm disgusted that people are making excuses for them.

Bigots with power?

 

[subaru]

I think though the Crows are closer to reality and have a better understanding of the indigenous plight and more care for their issues. They are more likely to speak for the heart, be direct and transparent


Remember the Swans focus on Sydney property prices which are distant to indigenous issues and guys like Packer surely have more care for the Asian dollar and his casino revenue than the sustainability of the indigenous in this country. Swans and their stakeholders are more likely to pay lip service, offer smoke and mirrors, a greek referendum, so with smoke and mirrors the indigenous look as though they are cared for with the odd casino job, or a politicians job for a sole indigenous person as a beacon for BS,but ultimately the Narungga people and the interests of the Sydney elite are very different. Donald Trump looks to have done more for indigenous in USA recently than the Sydney elite have ever done for the indigenous in vast regions of Australia including the Narungga people where Goodes has links to, so largely the indigenous people in substance are thrown under a bus by the elite, while at the same time blowing wind up Goodes's but so they can claim they are nice.

I do know after this year we know what is important.
Perspective on this issue is lost.
Gone.
Completely vanished in amongst the accusations and counter accusations.

 

[peppy la pew]

I would like to see some aboriginal leaders maybe speak at the Geelong game before the bounce .....

And do a welcome to country ...if you do t know what a welcome to country is google it

It basically welcomes us into indigenous lands and thanks them for allowing us to be here .....remember people they were here for 40,000 years before we arrived

We need to accurate the general population on what aboriginal culture is about .....I take groups of white kids into lower socio economic areas with many aboriginal kids about ...we bets ken footys and basketballs out and wWay we go ....cook some bush tucker afterwards and we eat and yarn

It's part of the job I do and it has effects ......

So when that white kid plays footy in the local team he might know those kids and vice versa

And lastly this is the point isn't ....do we want our kids growing up booing people at footy games .....I lie how Nathan Buckley put it

There is enough social negativity already with drug smuggling crime and family violence ......can't we just go to the footy and be happy? How hard is it

People go to the footy to watch footy

If they want to be educated there are many places to go to, keep the politics separate from sport

 

[DrEvil_]

The guy on the left looks like Gillon.

 

[Coolangatta]

Spoken like a psychology student there - more time spent validating itself as a science than developing the science.

Have you ever even read a peer-reviewed journal article in psychology? I doubt you could understand more than five words in one.

Bigots with power?

Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison et al.

 

[Monkey King]

It was a comparison on how well Betts does the same thing and has a unifying influence and in comparison to Wilson's diatribe yesterday, it's showing clearly that its not the cause that has "divided " people.

I don't think Russell makes a fair comparison tbh. Betts is doing his thing for Indigenous kids and Goodes does that too as I understand it. The things that Goodes does that draws attention for being divisive is something Betts doesn't do, which tackle the broader issue of racism in society. Not a great article IMO.

 

[romeohwho]

I think though the Crows are closer to reality and have a better understanding of the indigenous plight and more care for their issues. They are more likely to speak for the heart, be direct and transparent


Remember the Swans focus on Sydney property prices which are distant to indigenous issues and guys like Packer surely have more care for the Asian dollar and his casino revenue than the sustainability of the indigenous in this country. Swans and their stakeholders are more likely to pay lip service, a greek referendum, so with smoke and mirrors the indigenous look as though they are cared for with the odd casino job, or a politicians job for a sole indigenous person as a beacon for BS,but ultimately the Narungga people and the interests of the Sydney elite are very different. Donald Trump looks to have done more for indigenous in USA recently than the Sydney elite have ever done for the indigenous in vast regions of Australia including the Narungga people where Goodes has links to, so largely the indigenous people in substance are thrown under a bus by the elite, while at the same time blowing wind up Goodes's but so they can claim they are nice.

 

[SSwans2011]

They were ?
More rewriting of history !

Indeed they were. History speaks for itself.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/collingwood-v-sydney-live-chat-in-op-rd-9-2013.1007911/page-22

Where have I rewritten history?

 

[Fireballs]

Goodes is a flog.

 

[HoopsAhoy]

Yeah, I edited my post, forgot to mention I have a major in addiction studies, Mr. Armchair Expert. Also, spoken like a person who's never studied psychology.

I studied a couple years of Psych at Uni and some of the biggest whack jobs I ever encountered were Psych academics. Later on while working in Uni admin at another Uni I had dealings with more Psych academics - and let's just say it seems a field of academic endeavor prone to recruiting more than its share of eccentrics or lost people on a journey of self-discovery.

That's been my experience. I don't say you are like them, nor do I say it to denigrate your earlier comments which I wholeheartedly agree with.

 

[subaru]

Indeed they were. History speaks for itself.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/collingwood-v-sydney-live-chat-in-op-rd-9-2013.1007911/page-22

Where have I rewritten history?

Everyone ...EVERYONE ?
And then you quote a internet forum post ...
EVERYONE ?????

To add to this, funnily enough, everyone was in support of Goodes' actions on the night of the Collingwood vs Sydney game. In fact, everyone was labeling him a champion, so the whole 13 year old girl excuse is rubbish, as they were either in support of it initially anyway, or they couldn't tell she was that young either.

Seriously.....

 

[SSwans2011]

Everyone ...EVERYONE ?
And then you quote a internet forum post ...
EVERYONE ?????




Seriously.....

Lol. The point is the same. Please provide an example of people who were not in support of Goodes.

 

[subaru]

I don't think Russell makes a fair comparison tbh. Betts is doing his thing for Indigenous kids and Goodes does that too as I understand it. The things that Goodes does that draws attention for being divisive is something Betts doesn't do, which tackle the broader issue of racism in society. Not a great article IMO.

To which you are entitled
Appreciate your civil response

I think it highlights however, that the "way" you do something is as important as the "what" you do.

 

[Coolangatta]

I studied a couple years of Psych at Uni and some of the biggest whack jobs I ever encountered were Psych academics. Later on while working in Uni admin at another Uni I had dealings with more Psych academics - and let's just say it seems a field of academic endeavor prone to recruiting more than its share of eccentrics or lost people on a journey of self-discovery.

That's been my experience. I don't say you are like them, nor do I say it to denigrate your earlier comments which I wholeheartedly agree with.

Haha fair enough mate. I've encountered a few students and teachers who I think are ****knuckles myself.

 

[hardon]

i'm starting to appreciate the silently poetic contributions of bernard. notice the statement he makes regarding the two white men arguing with each other about what is best for the black man, while the black man is practically voiceless over the self-righteous and pious screaming of the white menz.

Bernard, you are like a silent yoda with your power-packed messages wrapped up in outwardly simple memes.

 

[subaru]

Lol. The point is the same. Please provide an example of people who were not in support of Goodes.

You'll be at the soccer soon

Everyone....

 

[Procrastinator35]

So does anyone else suspect that this PR 'stunt' is a litmus test for the grooming of one Mr Goodes to become our first labor aboriginal PM?....Because personally, that's where I see the under-currents of this one heading....Lets just say he couldn't do a worst job than most of em. And he'll finally have the platform he is so obviously being groomed for.

I might even vote for him, just to get him away from the sporting field & into a more suitable environment....Adam Goodes....Aussie PM 2020....You heard it here first folks.

 

[masai]

No one should be taking the high ground on this matter, errors have been made on all sides. None is squeaky clean.

All sides can look back and see things they would have done differently if they had their time again.

 

[BFVirgin]

More strawman. I've actually acknowledged the history of ape being used to vilify, but I do question the long history of the term being used to verbally vilify Indigenous Australians. I've heard a long list of words used to deride Indigenous people before, but I've never heard that one. Hence I question it.

Faaark me! You are kidding right? I made a statement about footballers in general, to which you replied "the difference is calling an indigenous person an 'ape' has a long history". And now you claim you didn't differentiate. Get a grip!

You've never heard that calling an indigenous person an ape is offensive? Wow.
Certainly you have the right to question what you're not aware of. I hope you become aware.

You're right, I made it clear when I differentiated in one post. You made an incorrect assumption from a later post. You're mixing two up here.

 

[Chief]

No one should be taking the high ground on this matter, errors have been made on all sides. None is squeaky clean.

All sides can look back and see things they would have done differently if they had their time again.

Although, in his SBS interview with Stan Grant talking about pointing out the source of the "ape" jeer, Goodes said he probably wouldn't hesitate to do the same thing again.