Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[connolly]

It's quite amazing that we've had an entire week of PR media dynamite....And yet his holiness has not yet uttered a single word....One can only imagine the hushed tones & silence of the media journos, straining on tenterhooks, hanging off his every word at his next press-conference.

You can hardly imagine the voluminous pontifications of every journo thereafter, rushing to their PC's, in order to interpret & extrapolate for us - the blind, huddled, footy masses - the true message of the anointed one.

Cue Media Nirvana....With another 1,000 page roll of Adam Goodes Thread, sending Big Footy share-holders into one ginormous orgasm....Surely, this must be a certified legendary thread.

This is called the Barbara Striesand effect in PR. The arse clowns that tried to bully and intimidate Goodes have actually created a counter-reaction of enormous sympathy and support for him and his anti-racist cause. Newman , Jones, Warne and Bolt look like the grubs they are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

 

[Procrastinator35]

What's a passive dance look like anyway? Couldn't be too celebratory.

Here's your A1 typical WASP-like dance.

 

[connolly]

If anybody saw Walters celebration. Thats how you celebrate indigenous culture. Not by throwing a spear at the 2,000 carlton fans at the SCG when youve kicked a regulation goal after being 50 points up.


I dont think Goodes deserves to be booed every possesion every week, but as a Carlton fan i'll always boo him at least a couple of times a game for that dickhead move.

He threw a spear? And where do u intend to actually perform this demonstration of complete idiocy. Your mob wont be in the finals and he retires this year. I wouldn't advise you coming up to Sydney to perform this act of heroism. Or at Pattersons if he plays there or ever again.

 

[Bluelegs]

If anybody saw Walters celebration. Thats how you celebrate indigenous culture. Not by throwing a spear at the 2,000 carlton fans at the SCG when youve kicked a regulation goal after being 50 points up.


I dont think Goodes deserves to be booed every possesion every week, but as a Carlton fan i'll always boo him at least a couple of times a game for that dickhead move.

I agree, I have enough trouble dodging the invisible bullets from pistol finger celebrations to worry about dodging invisible spears as well.

Christ, Ziebell isn't even looking at where he's pointing those things! Could be hitting anyone

 

[Docker Alyssa]

You quite clearly said that there was a right way to celebrate indigenous culture.

No no.

There's a clear difference between "dictating" what he should do (which no one is suggesting) that you went on to claim in a following post, and critisising what he does do. Your views are so black and white. It's either we praise him without nuance or we are treading on his heritage. It's nonsense.

No one had any control over or told Michael Walters how to behave, not the public, media or anyone on a messageboard. He simply chose to behave all on his own in a way that has a really good positive look about it, a fantastic example for kids and all Australians about self-pride; which Pearce then followed suit with in his goal celebration -- when compared to Goodes, and even Jetta at last weekend.

Goodes, as always in his career as a footballer on field and a personality off it, has the right to do anything he wants as we the viewing public and those consuming the product reserve right to have a negative opinion such as he's a bit of a tool in how he goes about it.

It's alright though, keep thinking its "wrong" to judge a person on the merits of their cumulative behaviour, or worse claiming racism from the judgment. Water off a ducks back to be subject to a hysterical viewpoint.

 

[DrEvil_]

No no.

There's a clear difference between "dictating" what he should do (which no one is suggesting) that you went on to claim in a following post, and critisising what he does do. Your views are so black and white. It's either we praise him without nuance or we are treading on his heritage. It's nonsense.

No one had any control over or told Michael Walters how to behave, not the public, media or anyone on a messageboard. He simply chose to behave all on his own in a way that has a really good positive look about it, a fantastic example for kids and all Australians about self-pride; which Pearce then followed suit with in his goal celebration -- when compared to Goodes, and even Jetta at last weekend.

Goodes, as always in his career as a footballer on field and a personality off it, has the right to do anything he wants as we the viewing public and those consuming the product reserve right to have a negative opinion such as he's a bit of a tool in how he goes about it.

It's alright though, keep thinking its "wrong" to judge a person on the merits of their cumulative behaviour, or worse claiming racism from the judgment. Water off a ducks back to be subject to a hysterical viewpoint.

Back from the game already?

 

[madfx]

Seriously what is it with this recent dance in football shit anyway? Another Americanisation type thing like they do in Gridiron when they score a touchdown?

Score a goal? Punch the air in triumph, share the love with a hug. Then get back into it.

Want to dance? Perhaps Aussie Rules is not really your thing Twinkle Toes. Put on the spangly spandex and go on Dancing with the Stars, join a Dance Academy and waltz, tango, foxtrot, Charleston, Disco, Lambada, Modern or Salsa your little heart out.

 

[Armchair Critic]

I get the being intimidated by the goal celebration argument, when the Brisbane Roar players started paddling the kayak straight at me during their celebration I was shit scared they were going to knock me out and I was going to drown, I couldn't imagine how scary an imaginary spear coming at me would be.

 

[connolly]

You're joking, right?

Football is theatre. People yell insults all the time at opposition footballers. You can't blame a kid for joining in. They learn that behaviour from everyone at the ground.

As for the "racism" of her remark, I disagree that a 12yo or 13yo would use the word in a racist way.

In the past, when people describes aboriginals as apes, it was racist because they were inferring the aboriginals were less evolved and less intelligent than white people. They weren't just saying they resembled apes. It was a cultural prejudice about their behaviour. They were thought of as savages - primitive, no clothes, no houses, sitting in the dirt, banging rocks together, grunting, screeching, swinging in the trees like primates.

A young kid is not thinking along these lines about Adam Goodes and his mother's indigenous background. She's not stereotyping Goodes in this way because her own racist family refer to the aboriginal family living across the road as "apes". It's bullshit. That was Goodesy's assumption in his "face of racism" speech and everyone applauded him.

When a hairy 100kg, muscly, simian footballer charges over the boundary line towards the fence, it is not racist for a young kid in the front row to be impressed by their physical appearance and think of them as ape-like. Goodes's race wasn't the issue. She thought he looked like an ape. That's not racist. That's a kid being a kid and blurting what adults might think but don't say.

It makes me laugh the way white people actually stereotype all black people as resembling apes and that's why it's racist to use the word. That's actually a subconscious form of racism from well-meaning, well-educated white folks. There are as many white people who look like apes as there are black people. There are many black people who don't look much like apes at all.

Fact: we're all descended from apes. Some of us look more like apes than others. Jason Dunstall, Darren Jarman, Dane Swan, Travis Cloke and Adam Goodes bear closer physical resemblance to our ape ancestors than Chad Wingard, Michael O'Loughlin, Paddy Ryder and Sam Mitchell.

But nobody can ever speak freely and forthright about this shit because they're all so paranoid about being tarred and feathered by the lunatic, fascist SJW crowd that have hi-jacked the debate. Sadly, the only people who do so are the right-wing conservative f**ks like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt, which only further divides the discussion.

I don't know with 100% certainty about the 13yo girl's motivations, but it's what I personally choose to believe based on probabilities, her own apology/explanation/denial of racism and me being prepared to give a young kid the benefit of the doubt. It astounds me that 50% of the population choose to do otherwise. Talk about morons. Living proof of Darwinism...

She wrote to Adam and admitted what she said was racist. And apologised. A young person growing up. And have you read Darwin? Darwin compared Australian aboriginals to apes. He was a racist. I think you are probably too dumb to being making a sly point. So I will give u the benefit of the doubt. You are just dumb.

 

[Bluelegs]

I get the being intimidated by the goal celebration bit, when the Brisbane Roar players started paddling the kayak straight at me during their celebration I was shit scared they were going to knock me out and I was going to drown, I couldn't imagine how scary an imaginary spear coming at me would be.

I can't believe ASADA didn't enquire into the invisible drugs Sam Mitchell was injecting into his arm with an invisible syringe. What a disgrace.

 

[jc12]

Goodes was getting booed well before the dance, what flog like behaviour did he display before them? I'm still yet to find someone when can give me a compelling argument why he was targeted. I've heard people say he was divisive but all I can find are Instances where he stood up against racism.

reason ppl say they boo goodes: hes dirty , hes a shit bloke
real reason ppl boo goodes: because he stood up against racism and ppl are uncomfortable with him speaking the hard truth

 

[Procrastinator35]

Adam Goodes told 'get back in his box'

Senator Nova Peris has stood up for Adam Goodes during a speech to Indigenous leaders.
Australia's first Indigenous female parliamentarian, Nova Peris, has shed tears during a speech to Indigenous leaders in Arnhem Land, declaring the Adam Goodes booing saga has revealed Australia "has a problem with the truth of Aboriginal people".

"My grandfather had chains around his goddamn neck," she said.

"That is the truth of this country. "When [Goodes] spoke out the world said, 'get back in your box, mate'."

Senator Peris has previously said Goodes was booed because he speaks out for Indigenous people.

Aside from Goodes, the controversial policy of the 2007 Intervention occupied a high-powered political panel at the Garma Festival - a major forum for the discussion of Indigenous Affairs.

Senator Peris explicitly linked the Goodes saga to the Intervention - which saw a suite of laws governing things such as welfare provision and land tenure brought in to address allegations of rampant sexual abuse of children in communities.

These allegations are highly disputed.

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Senator Peris said the Intervention had changed the face of Aboriginal people, demonising Aboriginal men and "painted us with one bloody brush stroke".

"That's what happened and we still haven't recovered from it," she said.

As well as the Labor Party Senator, the panel included Liberal Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister Alan Tudge and Labor MP Warren Snowdon, who said he had privately never supported the Intervention and had argued in the party room against Labor backing the Coalition policy.

"I suppose I'm revealing something," Mr Sowden said on the panel.

"I'm a member of the Labor party and the decision was made to support it - as a trooper and part of the team I did. Nevertheless I was extremely critical of every element of it," he said.

"There were potentially some good outcomes but at its core the Intervention was wrong."

"People thought the army was going to take them away."

 

[Brown Bottle]

You're joking, right?

Football is theatre. People yell insults all the time at opposition footballers. You can't blame a kid for joining in. They learn that behaviour from everyone at the ground.

As for the "racism" of her remark, I disagree that a 12yo or 13yo would use the word in a racist way.

In the past, when people describes aboriginals as apes, it was racist because they were inferring the aboriginals were less evolved and less intelligent than white people. They weren't just saying they resembled apes. It was a cultural prejudice about their behaviour. They were thought of as savages - primitive, no clothes, no houses, sitting in the dirt, banging rocks together, grunting, screeching, swinging in the trees like primates.

A young kid is not thinking along these lines about Adam Goodes and his mother's indigenous background. She's not stereotyping Goodes in this way because her own racist family refer to the aboriginal family living across the road as "apes". It's bullshit. That was Goodesy's assumption in his "face of racism" speech and everyone applauded him.

When a hairy 100kg, muscly, simian footballer charges over the boundary line towards the fence, it is not racist for a young kid in the front row to be impressed by their physical appearance and think of them as ape-like. Goodes's race wasn't the issue. She thought he looked like an ape. That's not racist. That's a kid being a kid and blurting what adults might think but don't say.

It makes me laugh the way white people actually stereotype all black people as resembling apes and that's why it's racist to use the word. That's actually a subconscious form of racism from well-meaning, well-educated white folks. There are as many white people who look like apes as there are black people. There are many black people who don't look much like apes at all.

Fact: we're all descended from apes. Some of us look more like apes than others. Jason Dunstall, Darren Jarman, Dane Swan, Travis Cloke and Adam Goodes bear closer physical resemblance to our ape ancestors than Chad Wingard, Michael O'Loughlin, Paddy Ryder and Sam Mitchell.

But nobody can ever speak freely and forthright about this shit because they're all so paranoid about being tarred and feathered by the lunatic, fascist SJW crowd that have hi-jacked the debate. Sadly, the only people who do so are the right-wing conservative f**ks like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt, which only further divides the discussion.

I don't know with 100% certainty about the 13yo girl's motivations, but it's what I personally choose to believe based on probabilities, her own apology/explanation/denial of racism and me being prepared to give a young kid the benefit of the doubt. It astounds me that 50% of the population choose to do otherwise. Talk about morons. Living proof of Darwinism...

Nice rant.

Of course I'm not joking. I agree insofar as she most likely did not intend the insult in the fashion that it was interpreted. She learned a tough lesson and I'm certain everyone including Adam Goodes wishes it hadn't been in such a public fashion. But it was and that isn't going to change.

Simple fact is that once you choose to insult someone you have no control over how they interpret your insult or choose to respond to it. That's why I go to the Footy, cheer for my team and occasionally acknowledge great play from the opposition. I don't feel compelled to insult people.

 

[HoopsAhoy]

It's kind of like "running with scissors" and "it's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye".

 

[Kummerspeck]

No no.

There's a clear difference between "dictating" what he should do (which no one is suggesting) that you went on to claim in a following post, and critisising what he does do.

But the poster wasn't just criticising what he did. You can criticise Goodes' behaviour without treading on Goodes' heritage, but the poster I quoted went out of his way to say there was a right way to celebrate indigenous culture. Surely given all your posts in the thread you'd be opposed to someone telling another person the "right" way to do things, or attributing meaning or intent to their actions?

 

[JimmyWhitesmith]

Not personal experience no. It is a reality though and I see more racism there than I do in something like this.

Agreed, It sure is a reality. Some of these 'Sweat Shops' however, look after their employees with food, acommodation, flexible working hours and personal interest free loans etc. Some of these factories / 'Sweat Shops' are places of pride for both employer and employee and the myth perpetuated and presented in the main as a description isn't always accurate. Cheers.

 

[Back One Out]

She wrote to Adam and admitted what she said was racist. And apologised. A young person growing up. And have you read Darwin? Darwin compared Australian aboriginals to apes. He was a racist. I think you are probably too dumb to being making a sly point. So I will give u the benefit of the doubt. You are just dumb.

False!

She apologised to Goodes for the insult, but she denied that it was meant in any racist way.

Don't lie about this.

I'm not dumb either. I'm an intelligent guy and a deep thinker. I've thought deeply about this. I'm flexible, too. I happily admit when I'm wrong. I consider all points of view. I just think I'm right about this and people like you are wrong.

You're tied to this idea that if Goodes thinks it's racist, then it must be racist. I'm not denying his feelings or his right to be offended by something. I just think racism is something which a person perpetrates on another. Not something which is solely perceived by the victim.

If a person boos Goodes for non-racist reasons, it doesn't become racism because Goodes perceives it as such. That might be a reason for the booer to stop, but it doesn't make their booing racist. And if a young kid says "ape" and they honestly weren't being racist, then it doesn't become racism purely because the recipient of the name-calling has been called an ape 1000 times before and they perceive it as racism.

I would think differently about this if she had called Goodes a "black ape" or a "coon". I think the word "ape" is a generic insult which kids are more likely to use about big people than adults who learn different nuances of that word as they get older.

 

[DrEvil_]

reason ppl say they boo goodes: hes dirty , hes a shit bloke
reason I say ppl boo goodes: because he stood up against racism and ppl are uncomfortable with him speaking the hard truth

EFA.

 

[Mr Lizard]

She wrote to Adam and admitted what she said was racist. And apologised. A young person growing up. And have you read Darwin? Darwin compared Australian aboriginals to apes. He was a racist. I think you are probably too dumb to being making a sly point. So I will give u the benefit of the doubt. You are just dumb.

Darwin was a racist? Please, tell us more.

 

[jc12]

False!

She apologised to Goodes for the insult, but she denied that it was meant in any racist way.

Don't lie about this.

I'm not dumb either. I'm an intelligent guy and a deep thinker. I'm flexible, too. I happily admit when I'm wrong. I consider all points of view.
I just think I'm right about this and people like you are wrong.

You're tied to this idea that if Goodes thinks it's racist, then it must be racist. I'm not denying his feelings or his right to be offended by something. I just think racism is something which a person perpetrates on another. Not something which is solely perceived by the victim. So if a young kid says "ape" and they honestly weren't being racist, then it doesn't become racism purely because the recipient of the name-calling has been called an ape 1000 times before and they perceive it as racism.

I would think differently about this if she had called him a "black ape" or a "coon". I think the word "ape" is a generic insult which kids are more likely to use about big people than adults who learn different nuances of that word as they get older.

lol ape is not really a common insult among kids

 

[Back One Out]

lol ape is not really a common insult among kids

I didn't say it was a common insult amongst kids!!!!

I said it might be an insult which springs to mind of a young kid sitting in the front row at the MCG when a huge hairy 100kg simian footballer comes sprinting over the boundary towards them

 

[HoopsAhoy]

View attachment 158609 Here's your A1 typical WASP-like dance.

HAHAHAHAHA

I was just thinking of the old stereotype stuff "White Men can't Jump", "White men got no rhythm for dancing".

Go The Vlad!!!!!!!

 

[PatrickBateman]

Yeah I'd have you in the not very bright camp. Sorry if I don't nail your intelligence down to your salary. That bit actually makes you come off as a bit of a prick. The reasons why the booing started, and why it has been perpetuated with such force are plainly obvious.

It's not about conforming to the mainstream, it's, at the very least, about having a shred of empathy.

Well, I don't think you actually have your own opinion on this topic at all. And yes, yes you are conforming to the mainstream.

Again, your thinking here is just simplistic. I agree that the sheep have gathered, the booing has stepped up to a genuine level of bullying. But the solution is NOT to blanket shame and brand anyone who doesn't like the guy for any reason a 'racist'. It's ignorant and prejudice in fact! The AFL is in self protection mode, they're a business.. Keep that in mind.

So I ask you. What has this drama done for the Indiginous people of Australia? It seems that most Australians still not only enjoy but love Indiginous sportsmen and women (even those politically motivated), yet dislike Adam Goodes? Yet booing of Goodes definitely racially motivated?

Goodes and his disciples need to understand that an element of responsibility here is on his shoulders. The sooner he makes it clear that there's better ways of addressing such issues (not shaming / provoking others to prove a point), the better for everyone. This does not legitimise racism of course, nothing can. But at the end of the day, minorities will suffer at the hands of uneducated bigots forever, because they'll always exist. The way to rise above them, the best way you can disrespect them? IGNORE THEM!

 

[FootyGeek]

Looking forward to the dance of the celebration of culture of the last section of society where it is openly publicly acceptable to ridicule: the bogan. Hopefully Dustin Martin will lead the way.

 

[Footy Is The Win]

Here's an interesting experiment for you all to try:

Write down your opinions as honestly as you can, then switch the nouns; Now ask yourself 'does this sound fair'?

If you can honestly answer Yes, then you believe in equality.