I think you are elevated to Hall of Fame or Legend status based on either playing or coaching, but not both. Only two Legends for coaching are McHale and Norm Smith.
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Pretty sure it doesn't work that way. You're elevated on one or the other.
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Agreed, but he still hasn't been included in the Hall of Fame at all, let alone being upgraded to Legend.
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Dunstall has done plenty off of the football field in football administration as well. Without him, Hawthorn would be vastly different.
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Blight and Ebert would round out the best three players ever from SA (Robran being the other)
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Don't forget most Premierships as Captain.
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Sheedy's playing career falls a long way short of being HOF standard.
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Personally I think it's outrageous that Paul Bagshaw has never been inducted.
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Ricciuto should have legend status.
Because... Crows.
Because... Crows.
Actually your avatar should be there, how can Mr Football not be a Legend?
My nominations for Port Adelaide:
Legend:
Russell Ebert
Fos Williams
Hall of Fame player:
Sampson Hosking
Harold Oliver
Angelo Congear
Hall of Fame administrator:
Charles Hayter
Legend:
Russell Ebert
Fos Williams
Hall of Fame player:
Sampson Hosking
Harold Oliver
Angelo Congear
Hall of Fame administrator:
Charles Hayter
We should prioritise those potential legends to be who are still with us.
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How Bernie Naylor from WA isnt in the Hall of Fame is beyond me. been in the WA hall of fame since 2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Naylor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Naylor
- South Fremantle premiership side 1947–48, 1950, 1952–54
- Leading goalkicker (WANFL) 1946–48, 1952–54
- Most goals in a single WA(N)FL game: 23 (vs Subiaco, 1953)
- Most goals in a single WA(N)FL season: 167 (1953)
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Mr. Football is a Legend. Just not this one.
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The whole premise of the thread is flawed. The HoF is an AFL group for players from within that comp. Unless a player had an impact in the VFL/AFL the idea they should be included is ridiculous.
This is not an argument that the VFL was better than the SANFL or WAFL, I'm ont trying to open that can of worms. It's simply a matter of the AFL being a competition, not the custodian of the sport. The AFL should remember that and concentrate on running their standiums and TV rights negotiations. They already think they're bigger than the game, and it's surprising that the SANFL and WAFL would have a bar of this question.
This is not an argument that the VFL was better than the SANFL or WAFL, I'm ont trying to open that can of worms. It's simply a matter of the AFL being a competition, not the custodian of the sport. The AFL should remember that and concentrate on running their standiums and TV rights negotiations. They already think they're bigger than the game, and it's surprising that the SANFL and WAFL would have a bar of this question.
We should rename the competition the VFL then...and kick out all the interstate sides too?
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Your comment has no logical link to mine. The "interstate" teams play in the AFL and of course will be considered for any award in that competition. Players or teams who did not play in the AFL, or in it's older name the VFL, should not be recognised.
The AFL is not the game, however much they might like to think they are. They're simply a league, just like the SANFL or WAFL or the old VFA. There are great players and great clubs that played outside what is now the AFL, and there's no great injustice in that.They have no right to co-opt the history of other leagues and teams that are not their own.
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You can try to wish it away all you like, but the facts are that presently the AFL does run the game. And as such the premise of the thread is valid until that situation changes.
AFL took over custodianship of the game with a deal with the Australian National Football Council.
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The West Australian Football Commission, among others, might have something to say about that. They are "the caretaker of football throughout the State and is responsible for the overall development of the game" in WA, and other bodies have that responsibility in other states.
http://www.wafootball.com.au/
You can buy into the AFL's self-promotion all you like, but they're simply a league. They're the most successful league, but have no standing as a peak body and are not even the oldest competition.
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This is not quite right. The ANFC agreed that the Laws of the Game Committee fall under the auspices of the AFL. This was for consistency and to cut red tape, but in no way handed the AFL custodianship of the game, and did not hand the hostory of other leagues to the AFL.
I'm sorry to go on, I sound like a pedant, but it's aggravating to watch the AFL swallow the history and prestige of truly great clubs and competitons that were at times stronger than the AFL. Clubs like Williamstown, Sturt or Perth have heritage equal or better than most AFL clubs. I'm surprised the SANFL and WAFL are so spineless to try and have their players misleadingly inserted into another comp's honour board.
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They absolutely have standing as a peak body.
The AFL directly control and fund every other state competition in the country - besides the WAFL and SANFL, who rely on AFL funds from matches and teams to survive.. They fund Auskick and facilities developments nationally - including WA and SA. They fund other indigenous programs across the country. They host and fund national under 16s and 18s championships, the national under 18 and 16s international tours.
Tuck was a far better player than you are giving him credit for. He was the best ruck rover in the VFL from 1976-80. He then played CHF in the period between Martello and Brereton before playing as a vital swing man in various roles till the end of his career. He was sublimely skilled on both sides of his body, a thumping and accurate kick and had elite level speed and stamina. He finished in the top three in the clubs best and fairest on 11 occasions, beaten to the prize by the likes of Matthews, Knights,Dunstall,Platten,Wallace,Brereton and Ayres, all of whom are in the AFL hall of fame. Had he played at Fitzroy like Kevin Murray or South Adelaide like Barrie Robran there is no doubt he would have more than a few best and fairests on his mantelpiece. His absence as a legend of the game is ridiculous and hopefully will be corrected well before he leaves us.
