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The Case for Tasmania
Background
Some form of football was played in Tasmania in the 1850s, some people believe that this was actually a form of rugby rather than Australian football due to mentions of cross bards and offside rules.
Australian football was first documented in Tasmania in 1866. The Tasmanian Football league, centred on Hobart began in 1879 and the Northern Tasmanian Football Association began in 1886. A third league, the North West Football Union would not begin until 1910.
The First statewide premiership was awarded in 1909 with the Tasmanian State Premiership. These matches were discontinued in 1978. The State premiership would next be contested under a different format in 1980 - the WInfield State Cup, However Northern leagues refused to participate again after percieved favoritism towards the Hobart league.
In 1986 and 1987, A statewide league was proposed when 5 northern league clubs left tol join the TFL Statwide League. The NTFA and NWFU merger to form the NTFL.
The formation of the state league seems to have been the catalyst for teams to begin to lose money with increase travel costs being a large factor. Teams relegated themselves back to local competitions and other clubs folded entirely. The league collapsed after the 2000 Grand Final.
With the TFL disbanded, the Tasmanian Devils were formed in 2001 and bega playing in the VFL the next year. They were aligned with North Melbourne.The Devils played in both ends of the Apple Isle and had a reasonable following before they were disbanded in 2008 to make way for the re introduction of the TFL.
The game presently has the second highest participation rate of any Australian Football state in the country, behind only the Northern Terriotry.
The VFL/AFL in Tasmania
Many exhibition matches were played in Tasmania over the years, and it became something of a panacea for the problems of several Victorian clubs including Fitzroy (91-92, 4 games), St Kilda (03-06, 3 games). Hawthorn have the longest lived presence in Tasmania begining in 2003 and now not expected to end before 2017, in a deal worth 17 million over 5 years. North melbourne began playing at Bellerive in 2012.
For many years Tasmanian football talent left the Apple Isle for the brighter lights of Melbourne. More than 300 Tasmanians have played VFL/AFL over the years including Darrel Baldock, Royce Hart, Laurie Nash, Peter Hudson and Ian Stewart.
Players of a more recent vintage include Garry Lyon, Brendon Gale, Alistair Lynch, Matthew Richardson, Grant Birchall, Brad Green, Jack Riewoldt and David Neitz.
The 1994-1997 Bid
Between 1996 and 1998 a bid was prepared that involved the construction of a 30,000-capacity stadium in the Hobart showgrounds in Glenorchy, at the cost of $34 million. The stadium would have been the team's only home ground, but the appeal was unsuccessful and the stadium was not built. The bid ultimately failed when Port Adelaide and Fremantle were granted entry instead.
The 2008 Bid
With the announcement of teams for Gold Coast and Western Sydney, Tasmania again launched a bid for the AFL with the full backing of the Tasmanian Government. The Tasmanian Bid had reportedly secured 20,000 potential members and a $4 million major sponsorship from Mars before Gold COast and Western Sydney had even got off the ground. Andrew Demetriou, AFL CEO, is reported to have told the Tasmanian premier "not now, not ever", and recently told Foxfooty that it will not happen while he is CEO but may happen while he is alive. [See Video]
The bid had the support of then Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd.
The Arguments against a Tasmanian Team
Opponents of the Tasmanian Bid have assumed
Saul Eslake, a Tasmanian born, respected Economist says the lack of corporate support argument is a just plain wrong
Eslake went on to query the isolation of the state in regard to its sponsors.
When all was said and done, he came to the conclusion that
In addition Mars Snackfoods General Manager Peter West, who signed a deal to sponsor the proposed team worth $4 million, said
The Tasmania Divided argument
Scott Wade, head of AFL Tasmania says the football divide was a big reason an AFL team didnt go earlier.
Saul Eslake believes that a Tasmanian AFL side would prove to be a great unifier.
The Popular Support Argument
Generally based around the size of the population, and its decline or growth, it argues that there isnt enough people to sustain a team.
A survey conducted in 2008 by the State Government found that
In 2012, Hawthorn had 8,500 Tasmanian Members, and in 2012 North Melbourne were reportedly at 2,000 in January.
The Andrew Demetriou Roadblock Argument
Many believe that the AFL CEO, Andrew Demetriou was/is the major stumbling block to a Tasmanian team. The Age quoted Paula Wriedt (former Tasmanian Minister for Economics and Tourism) as saying that
The Captive Market argument
Australian football has been a major part of the Tasmanian sporting landscape sine the late 19th century and it seems unlikely that this will be challenged soon. There is however a lack of a national league side in any competition for Tasmania in any Australian major sport at the moment.
Rugby League have recently played a trial at North Hobart Oval, paid for by the Australian Football Club there, and there is apparently an Aleague bid by Tasmania United.
The Relocation Argument
Some believe Tasmania is being held to have somewhere for an established Victorian team to relocate. This was denied by Andrew Demetriou following the rejection of the Tasmanian bid who said that he planned on 10 clubs being in Victoria for the foreseeable future.
Bid Assessment
"The amount of work and research is comprehensive and first-class. We were incredibly impressed by the level of detail in the submission," Demetriou said. The AFL however reaffirmed its commitment to establishing teams in Queensland and New South Wales.
Bartlett said Tasmania already had 60 per cent of corporate sponsorship required for an AFL club, would easily meet the required target of 25,000 members and projected stadium revenues would put them in the top four performing stadia in the league.
"The commitment Andrew's given me today is he'll take the business case we've provided very seriously," Bartlett said.
Andrew Demetriou appeared to give Tasmania assurances it was the next cab off the rank for a license.
The Senate Inquiry
Unsatisfied with the AFL response, Tasmanian senator Kerry O'brien convinced the Senates Regional Affairs Committee to undertake an enquiry into the AFL, supported by Family First Senator Steven Fielding.
The inquiry's draft terms of reference included an investigation into "whether the AFL commissioners' obligations to current supporters of the game override their desire to promote larger television audiences for it".
The inquiry was opposed by the Liberal Party, with Pat Farmer saying it was a waste of time since the Senate had no power to make the AFL do anything with its expansion policy.
AFL CEO, Andrew Demetriou and Chairman Mike Fitzpatrick both declined to appear before the enquiry, but Chief Operations Manager Gillon Mclachlan did, confirming the league saw Sydney and Gold Coast as greater priorities for expansion, and wasnt sure a Tasmanian team could ever happen. He added information such as future population growth, size and scope of the local business community, current and future, community participation in the game and other code and the significance of the regions as media markets, determined that priority.
Further issues and notes from the inquiry can be found here.
Today
It should be noted that the Tasmanian Government is directly sponsoring Hawthorn to the tune of $17.6 million over 5 years (following on from a $16 million deal in the previous 5 years), and the Government owned TTlines is sponsoring North Melbourne for another 1.5 million over 3 years. The AFL Bid team was able to secure another $4 million sponsorship from Mars pending AFL entry. (That sponsorship later went to Carlton). Thrown in the 10,000 Tassie Hawks and 8,000 targetted North Tassie memberships, and you've got an excellent begining that would dwarf both of the AFL's new sides on the Gold Coast and New South Wales.
In addition, the Tasmanian Government would own and operate Aurora Stadium, which with upgrades would make it one of the best in the league and guarantee a decent return for the club based there. The Federal Government has also committed 15 million to the upgrade of Bellerive Oval, giving the state two reasonable stadiums to play footy at.
References
The Case for Tasmania
Background
Some form of football was played in Tasmania in the 1850s, some people believe that this was actually a form of rugby rather than Australian football due to mentions of cross bards and offside rules.
Australian football was first documented in Tasmania in 1866. The Tasmanian Football league, centred on Hobart began in 1879 and the Northern Tasmanian Football Association began in 1886. A third league, the North West Football Union would not begin until 1910.
The First statewide premiership was awarded in 1909 with the Tasmanian State Premiership. These matches were discontinued in 1978. The State premiership would next be contested under a different format in 1980 - the WInfield State Cup, However Northern leagues refused to participate again after percieved favoritism towards the Hobart league.
In 1986 and 1987, A statewide league was proposed when 5 northern league clubs left tol join the TFL Statwide League. The NTFA and NWFU merger to form the NTFL.
The formation of the state league seems to have been the catalyst for teams to begin to lose money with increase travel costs being a large factor. Teams relegated themselves back to local competitions and other clubs folded entirely. The league collapsed after the 2000 Grand Final.
With the TFL disbanded, the Tasmanian Devils were formed in 2001 and bega playing in the VFL the next year. They were aligned with North Melbourne.The Devils played in both ends of the Apple Isle and had a reasonable following before they were disbanded in 2008 to make way for the re introduction of the TFL.
The game presently has the second highest participation rate of any Australian Football state in the country, behind only the Northern Terriotry.
The VFL/AFL in Tasmania
Many exhibition matches were played in Tasmania over the years, and it became something of a panacea for the problems of several Victorian clubs including Fitzroy (91-92, 4 games), St Kilda (03-06, 3 games). Hawthorn have the longest lived presence in Tasmania begining in 2003 and now not expected to end before 2017, in a deal worth 17 million over 5 years. North melbourne began playing at Bellerive in 2012.
For many years Tasmanian football talent left the Apple Isle for the brighter lights of Melbourne. More than 300 Tasmanians have played VFL/AFL over the years including Darrel Baldock, Royce Hart, Laurie Nash, Peter Hudson and Ian Stewart.
Players of a more recent vintage include Garry Lyon, Brendon Gale, Alistair Lynch, Matthew Richardson, Grant Birchall, Brad Green, Jack Riewoldt and David Neitz.
The 1994-1997 Bid
Between 1996 and 1998 a bid was prepared that involved the construction of a 30,000-capacity stadium in the Hobart showgrounds in Glenorchy, at the cost of $34 million. The stadium would have been the team's only home ground, but the appeal was unsuccessful and the stadium was not built. The bid ultimately failed when Port Adelaide and Fremantle were granted entry instead.
The 2008 Bid
With the announcement of teams for Gold Coast and Western Sydney, Tasmania again launched a bid for the AFL with the full backing of the Tasmanian Government. The Tasmanian Bid had reportedly secured 20,000 potential members and a $4 million major sponsorship from Mars before Gold COast and Western Sydney had even got off the ground. Andrew Demetriou, AFL CEO, is reported to have told the Tasmanian premier "not now, not ever", and recently told Foxfooty that it will not happen while he is CEO but may happen while he is alive. [See Video]
The bid had the support of then Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd.
Opponents of the Tasmanian Bid have assumed
- a lack of corporate support would be a major stumbling block
- the long running divide between the North and South of Tasmanian football is a key reason why any AFL team would fail.
- Some cite a percieved lack of popular support and others believe there are forces at AFL House that will never allow a Tasmanian team.
- its a captive market - already an Australian Football territory
- its being held for victorian club relocation
Saul Eslake, a Tasmanian born, respected Economist says the lack of corporate support argument is a just plain wrong
Scott Wade, head of AFL Tasmania says the football divide was a big reason an AFL team didnt go earlier.
The Popular Support Argument
Generally based around the size of the population, and its decline or growth, it argues that there isnt enough people to sustain a team.
A survey conducted in 2008 by the State Government found that
- 48% of Tasmanians support a Tasmanian bid
- 23% of Tasmanians would consider becoming members
- 41% of Tasmanians would consider attending games
In 2012, Hawthorn had 8,500 Tasmanian Members, and in 2012 North Melbourne were reportedly at 2,000 in January.
The Andrew Demetriou Roadblock Argument
Many believe that the AFL CEO, Andrew Demetriou was/is the major stumbling block to a Tasmanian team. The Age quoted Paula Wriedt (former Tasmanian Minister for Economics and Tourism) as saying that
The Captive Market argument
Australian football has been a major part of the Tasmanian sporting landscape sine the late 19th century and it seems unlikely that this will be challenged soon. There is however a lack of a national league side in any competition for Tasmania in any Australian major sport at the moment.
Rugby League have recently played a trial at North Hobart Oval, paid for by the Australian Football Club there, and there is apparently an Aleague bid by Tasmania United.
The Relocation Argument
Some believe Tasmania is being held to have somewhere for an established Victorian team to relocate. This was denied by Andrew Demetriou following the rejection of the Tasmanian bid who said that he planned on 10 clubs being in Victoria for the foreseeable future.
Bid Assessment
"The amount of work and research is comprehensive and first-class. We were incredibly impressed by the level of detail in the submission," Demetriou said. The AFL however reaffirmed its commitment to establishing teams in Queensland and New South Wales.
Bartlett said Tasmania already had 60 per cent of corporate sponsorship required for an AFL club, would easily meet the required target of 25,000 members and projected stadium revenues would put them in the top four performing stadia in the league.
"The commitment Andrew's given me today is he'll take the business case we've provided very seriously," Bartlett said.
Andrew Demetriou appeared to give Tasmania assurances it was the next cab off the rank for a license.
The Senate Inquiry
Unsatisfied with the AFL response, Tasmanian senator Kerry O'brien convinced the Senates Regional Affairs Committee to undertake an enquiry into the AFL, supported by Family First Senator Steven Fielding.
The inquiry's draft terms of reference included an investigation into "whether the AFL commissioners' obligations to current supporters of the game override their desire to promote larger television audiences for it".
The inquiry was opposed by the Liberal Party, with Pat Farmer saying it was a waste of time since the Senate had no power to make the AFL do anything with its expansion policy.
AFL CEO, Andrew Demetriou and Chairman Mike Fitzpatrick both declined to appear before the enquiry, but Chief Operations Manager Gillon Mclachlan did, confirming the league saw Sydney and Gold Coast as greater priorities for expansion, and wasnt sure a Tasmanian team could ever happen. He added information such as future population growth, size and scope of the local business community, current and future, community participation in the game and other code and the significance of the regions as media markets, determined that priority.
Further issues and notes from the inquiry can be found here.
Today
It should be noted that the Tasmanian Government is directly sponsoring Hawthorn to the tune of $17.6 million over 5 years (following on from a $16 million deal in the previous 5 years), and the Government owned TTlines is sponsoring North Melbourne for another 1.5 million over 3 years. The AFL Bid team was able to secure another $4 million sponsorship from Mars pending AFL entry. (That sponsorship later went to Carlton). Thrown in the 10,000 Tassie Hawks and 8,000 targetted North Tassie memberships, and you've got an excellent begining that would dwarf both of the AFL's new sides on the Gold Coast and New South Wales.
In addition, the Tasmanian Government would own and operate Aurora Stadium, which with upgrades would make it one of the best in the league and guarantee a decent return for the club based there. The Federal Government has also committed 15 million to the upgrade of Bellerive Oval, giving the state two reasonable stadiums to play footy at.
References
- Australian football in Tasmania - Wikipedia
- Tasmania AFL Bid - Wikipedia
- Tasmanias AFL Bid just aint apples - The Age, 2011
- "Rude" AFL Supremo block Tassie Bid - The Age, 2012
- Wilkie join South AFL bid - The Mercury, 2010
- Rudd gets behind Tasmanian AFL Bid - The ABC, 2009
- Tasmania to keep Hawthorn for another 5 years - Sportspromedia, 2010
- TT-Lines AFL Sponsorship faces scrutiny - The Advocate, 2011
- Tasmanian AFL bid secures major sponsor - Heraldsun, 2008
- Survey adds strength to Tasmanian bid - The Advocate, 2008
- Hawthorn played its third game at Aurora Stadium - Events Tasmania, 2012
- 1,000 new Tassie Members - Tassie Kangaroos, 2012
- Tasmanias AFL quest more than Saul searching - The Age, 2009
- Does Tasmania have a case for the Aleague - The Roar, 2010
- Storm and Broncos to hit Tasmania - NRL.com, 2012
- Tasmania presents case for AFL - perthnow, 2008
- Tasmania still holding out for hope - The Age, 2009
- AFL set to snub Tasmania license - Heraldsun, 2008
- Tassie ups Ante on Demetriou with Senate Investigation - Heraldsun, 2009
- Tasmanian AFL team not a priority - ABC, 2009
- AFL: No Tassie Plan - The Mercury, 2009
- Senate Inquiry information - Parliament Website, 2009
