Review The joke, the fools and the jester vs Suns

[Cap]

Blighty didn’t have a dozen assistant coaches and he went okay.


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Yeah but either did his competition.

Apples and oranges.

 

[Tyls83]

FOR ONCE there were several up-and-coming SA stars and we got none of them. Sums up the AFC since September 2017.

Four South Australians in our team this week, surely that’s a record low.

 

[Scorpus]

That wasnt your point. You said it was elite from Greenwood. Thats what I disputed.

I understand this bigfooty is full of twisted points to meet peoples agendas, call Roo what you like, but my point is Hugh is not sounding Elite! He sounds bitter, and even after tonight I wouldnt offer him a 4 year deal. Enjoy tonight Hugh, but you arent playing rd 1 2021.

For the record, I dont believe Roo had a cheap pot shot, it wasnt anything that we haven't said ourselves here.

You are normally someone I agree with alot, even if I dont post often, but I think you are biased on this call.

It is elite from Greenwood. He took Roo's comments on the chin, waited until he could smash the Crows on field, and then returned serve via Twitter with some clever jabs.

It's a beautiful play of the situation that makes Roo look stupid

 

[ABAB]

It is totally unacceptable for a person in his position to be making those statements

What??? As a media expert football commentator, that's his bloody job and what he is hired to do and he didn't use any information that wasn't already made public.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Didn't Hugh tweet and tag Roo?

After Roo's comments on the radio during the week.

 

[Scorpus]

What??? As a media expert football commentator, that's his bloody job and what he is hired to do.

He can't just switch off one role and switch on the other. He is both at the same time. For our director of football to publicly criticize past players is bringing the club into disrepute, embarrassing himself and the club in the process, and creating a hostile environment to attract players

 

[Murray2503]

There are 7 players in the 22 worth being excited about

Fogarty, Jones, McHenry, McAsey, Doedee, O'Brien, Hamill

Two senior guys playing ok; Talia, Brown.

The rest are either on the wane (Lynch, Sloane, Walker), inexplicably fallen off a cliff (Smith, Laird, Crouch, Crouch, Seedsman) or are mid-range plodders (Kelly, Murphy, Keays, Crocker, Atkins).

Is 7 + 2 enough given that we're so far off the contending clubs? If we're this far off the pace you may as well play a few more.

My players I feel confident about from our squad are:
Doedee, Fogarty, Jones, Hamill, ROB, Gollant, Worrell, Sholl, Stengle, McAdam, McAsey, Schoenberg. That's a good start. 2 good trade/drafts and we can move forward quickly.

 

[Cap]

There are 7 players in the 22 worth being excited about

Fogarty, Jones, McHenry, McAsey, Doedee, O'Brien, Hamill

Two senior guys playing ok; Talia, Brown.

The rest are either on the wane (Lynch, Sloane, Walker), inexplicably fallen off a cliff (Smith, Laird, Crouch, Crouch, Seedsman) or are mid-range plodders (Kelly, Murphy, Keays, Crocker, Atkins).

Is 7 + 2 enough given that we're so far off the contending clubs? If we're this far off the pace you may as well play a few more.

Going by Nick's press conference there are more to come.

I think Keays and Crocker have a bit to offer and fill a gap left by the failures that are Galluci and Knight and most likely Murphy.

I still have faith that the 2x Crouches will be fine when we have better around them.

What are your thoughts on O'Brien? I've been impressed but listening to AA they seem less so.

 

[ABAB]

He can't just switch off one role and switch on the other. He is both at the same time. For our director of football to publicly criticize past players is bringing the club into disrepute, embarrassing himself and the club in the process, and creating a hostile environment to attract players

Like I said, he didn't use any internal information that wasn't already made public. If he did, then I will agree with you but he didn't and clearly a lot of people don't understand which has caused this "perception", hence, why Eddie doesn't call Collingwood game.

 

[ABAB]

Going by Nick's press conference there are more to come.

I think Keays and Crocker have a bit to offer and fill a gap left by the failures that are Galluci and Knight and most likely Murphy.

I still have faith that the 2x Crouches will be fine when we have better around them.

What are your thoughts on O'Brien? I've been impressed but listening to AA they seem less so.

Wilts come in with a tactic to smash into him and unbalance him to take him out of the initial ruck contest, RoB should have gotten free for those ruck infringement early on but he did adjusted to his tactic and was good.

 

[NTRabbit]

Both Crouches won yellow jackets during your “I was right all along”. Think you should give up while you are behind.

The club has had no objectivity at all in many years, and that has clearly included overvaluing the wrong players for the wrong reasons, and undervaluing others just as badly. We all wanted fresh voices in the club from top to bottom, and that was for more than just financial reasons.

 

[Tarasque36]

Actually I forgot Laird, worst on ground.

I honestly believe it was his team mates that made Laird look good through their pressure when he was all Australian. The guy is such an unaccountable defender it's embarrassing.

When he's made to earn it, he's woeful.

Also when was the last time we saw MCrouch dive on a ball or tackle? At least Brad actually put some effort in. If anything, those roles should be reversed as Matt has no speed whatsoever, why the F$#% is he playing as what looks like an outside midfielder?

In the press conference Nick's talked about how bad the midfield was and referenced everything except the actual answer... The players.

Perhaps the reason it is woeful is because this group of midfielders are plain crap.

Crouches, Sloane, seedsman, Keays, Atkins, give me a f#$&+$# break!

Only when it got desperate did they throw the youngsters in.

I'll try and leave on a positive.

Doedee, Hamill and Fogarty were the only positives for me.

Just play the damn kids already.

How is Laird worse than Brown? Compare back pocket to back pocket. At least one is trying to be involved.
Brown can't find a target even if he has time. Doesn't try to run, and still gets goals kicked on him.
Don't take this as saying Laird was good, just saying Brown has to do more compared to Laird who is at least trying to make something happen.
PS - One is a rookie pick (limitations) and one was a mini-draft pre-selection. Hmmmm

 

[ABAB]

The club has had no objectivity at all in many years, and that has clearly included overvaluing the wrong players for the wrong reasons, and undervaluing others just as badly. We all wanted fresh voices in the club from top to bottom, and that was for more than just financial reasons.

M.Crouch was an AA that year and B.Crouch was close to the 40 AA squad last year so the industry also "overvalue" them...?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Going by Nick's press conference there are more to come.

I think Keays and Crocker have a bit to offer and fill a gap left by the failures that are Galluci and Knight and most likely Murphy.

I still have faith that the 2x Crouches will be fine when we have better around them.

What are your thoughts on O'Brien? I've been impressed but listening to AA they seem less so.

O'Brien looks excellent to me

Gets involved everywhere, goes in hard, cares. Tap work only average at this stage. Needs to negate better.

 

[Scorpus]

Full player review

Doedee - Best on ground for the Crows. Looked to have regained his composure and positioning, used the ball well, battled hard against an onslaught of inside 50s. Game high intercepts too.

Laird - You'll have to bring up a map to point out where his 25 disposals ended up because I couldn't tell you. He is the master of either dinky handballs to flat footed players in defence, getting in between players that could otherwise handball to each other for unnecessary "link play" or kicking it to the moon out of defence

M. Crouch - The worst form of his entire career including his junior days. Looks to have lost all ability to win clearances and contested ball. Is attempting to play an outside midfielder role from within the inside midfield

B. Crouch - There was one goal Gold Coast kicked where outside 50, a GC player handballed to a free team mate with Brad Crouch just jogging insipidly behind, applying zero pressure. This free team mate delivered a lace out pass inside 50 for a goal. If Brad Crouch was even paying the slightest attention or putting in any effort whatsoever, it wouldn't have been a goal. Sums up him as a player.

Seedsman - Mind boggling how much time he spent in the midfield. Ended the day with ONE score involvement and ONE clearance. He is not good enough to play that role and there are questions whether he is good enough for AFL in general

Sloane - Well off the pace and not good enough to play the role he used to play any more. Used to be a gut running midfielder that wouldn't let players stream away from him. Not any more.

Smith - Another garbage game from Smith. At least he touched the ball a few times, but aside from kicking it long (to no one) a few times, he lacks any sort of line breaking ability. Baffling how he ended up with a team high meters gained

O'Brien - Easily won the hitout count but I thought he was monstered by Witts in most key duels. Had a couple of nice marks but that's about it.

Brown - Another player that's a shadow of their former self. Not easy playing defence for us but looks to have lost his glove like ability to blanket the opposition's small forward.

Keays - Signs aren't looking good for Keays. I'm struggling to see where his best role is. He's not good enough at winning the ball to play inside midfield, he's not quick enough or elite in disposal enough to play outside, and he's not a good enough player in general to play up forward. Can't see him making it

Fogarty - As our only good forward, he gets the entire attention of the opposition defence, and it's not working that well. Uncharacteristic dropped chest mark. Would love to see him play a bit more around the ball when we are struggling to get it inside 50, and I don't mean playing in the ruck

Crocker - Jury is out on whether he will make it given we can't get it anywhere near the forward line. Thought he was pretty average but has good intensity

McAsey - Monstered early by Ben King but I thought he worked his way into the game nicely. Will be much better after a stretch of a few games to get up to speed with AFL level, but I would rather him play as a 3rd defender not given the 2nd tall role for now.

Walker - Cooked. Looks glacially slow, can't mark, just bangs it on the boot hoping for a miracle half the time and applies zero defensive pressure. Has to be dropped

Talia - Our good senior player

Hamill - Very promising debut. Wasn't afraid to take the game on and disposal was neat. Didn't get much of it but that will come with time

Kelly - A highly courageous player but is not well suited to our current setup and ends up in no mans land. Extremely limited and once again holds us up offensively, went at negative meters gained today

Lynch - Horrible. Used to be a player you could rely on to make space and gut run to provide options for team mates. That was his one strong attribute and could often outwork players inside 50 to snag a few goals. All of that ability has evaporated so what we're left with is a bog average third tall with poor skills

Murphy - Outbodied by a first year small defender on multiple occasions. Tries hard but isn't good enough for the level

Jones - We refused to give him any genuine inside midfield time so we are reaping what we sow, just like with Gallucci

McHenry - Hard to criticize a second game player. Has the tenacity, just needs to find a bit more composure. Didn't get near it playing forward.

Atkins - His injury had absolutely no impact on his positive output for the team and our overall chances of success. Sums up his career.

 

[Tarasque36]

It is elite from Greenwood. He took Roo's comments on the chin, waited until he could smash the Crows on field, and then returned serve via Twitter with some clever jabs.

It's a beautiful play of the situation that makes Roo look stupid

Nah I think it makes him look bitter.
Should we reply to Hugh and ask him to tweet again in a couple of years when he is still getting a game?
It was mentioned, not worth a 4 year deal, respond when you are elite in 2-3-4 years time and worth it, bitter player.

 

[NTRabbit]

M.Crouch was an AA that year and B.Crouch was close to the 40 AA squad last year so the industry also "overvalue" them...?

Yes, they did, and history has proven that. Players elevated by team mates and system - actual stars shine regardless of either, and have the potential to carry teams with them.

 

[Tarasque36]

After Roo's comments on the radio during the week.

I thought he stated what was obvious!
After the past years of constant whinging on here about the club not communicating - here is a detailed response (which frankly is basic info anyone knows) and you all jump on it. Its biased direction. You are playing the man not the ball.
Greenwood did what he always does on the field. Almost enough, but not much influence. But he wants to talk it up like he was a star??

 

[craig crowing]

Yup, we only have ourselves to blame too.

Rozee is up to 24 games, Smith 26, Walsh 25 etc. Jones? 11.

Given him the full year last year (and there was no reason not too) and maybe, just maybe he'd be performing at a similar level.

Hell I am sick of that crap . Yes we have been slow to promote kids .
But you have to earn a position and simply Jones has been given games on promise and hasn't delivered yet .
I still think Jones still can be good player for us but hasn't grabbed his chance yet .
You will have posters going off the head about kids not getting chance if correctly McHenry gets dropped after looking like a u- 14 playing in AFL and I am not just talking about size. Look what Hamill did today where he showed he can compete at this level.

 

[Tarasque36]

Thank god we didn’t lock in a quality player for four years otherwise we wouldn’t have been able to show off the quality recruiting and list management that was on display today.


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Quality for 4 years? Haha...yeah he has shown that over the years....

Not that I am pleased with the return in the trade for him though.

 

[Tarasque36]

Wilts come in with a tactic to smash into him and unbalance him to take him out of the initial ruck contest, RoB should have gotten free for those ruck infringement early on but he did adjusted to his tactic and was good.

I actually thought there was a fair amount of mongrel in ROB a few years ago, but it seems it has disappeared.
I'd love to see, and think we need, a real angry ROB who wants to demolish opponents.
Not sure if its the Clarke/Jacobs influence, but get angry ROB. Crash on in!

 

[SugarShane]

Anyone else lol at Lynch getting pissy at Tex’s delivery inside 50 while under extreme pressure?

The king of shit delivery and turnovers that couldn’t find a target even if he worked at Westfield and he’s got the audacity to sook about delivery.

 

[Murray2503]

Like I said, he didn't use any internal information that wasn't already made public. If he did, then I will agree with you but he didn't and clearly a lot of people don't understand which has caused this "perception", hence, why Eddie doesn't call Collingwood game.

While i agree the info was out in the media what these players were getting offered plus or minus 50k the problem I have that he is playing the victim card and blaming the player, agents, afl, other clubs etc. He is looking backwards instead of looking forward. How bout being a self aware individual and looking at your list management? Is he capable of self evaluation or does he think he's perfect and it's everyone else's fault? I have news for him. He has indeed ****ed up our list management along with Burton, Reid, Pyke, Fagan. Taking no responsibility and playing the victim card is embarrassing. Players leave for a variety of reasons. They leave for more opportunity, poor relationships with other players, partner reasons, family reasons, post career opportunity reasons, poor club culture reasons, coach and assistant dislike, and most importantly: List management reasons. How has the money been spread? Where has our cap gone? On your clique set mates and players you allowed to get the better of you. Who are the players we moved on proactively other than last year? Would like to know why he can't take any responsibility? Does he feel any guilt for his part in the state of our list and club?

 

[ams4crows]

Four South Australians in our team this week, surely that’s a record low.

This is a major problem and part of the reasons there seems to be a lack of pride in the Jumper.

Fogarty, Brown, Laird and Smith they are the SA players.

would there be other interstate clubs with more SA players than us in their best 22 this week?

 

[mattymac]

We already know.

Kurt Tippett. 2 first and 2 second round draft picks in 2012 and 2013. We also got nothing for Tippett. A KPF who could kick a goal, take a contested mark and was serviceable in the ruck. Offered a contract in excess of $800K. Surely he was worth at least a first and second round draft pick in the 2012 draft.

6 players who'd be 26-27 now. We also lost Bernie Vince to get back into the draft. Matt Crouch could potentially have been taken with our second round pick in 2013.

4 coaches, 5 if you include Camporeale and 6 if you include Bickley, since Neil Craig left mid 2011. Less than 8 years.

The deaths of both Dean Bailey and Phil Walsh. The 12 sanction given to Bailey for Melbourne tanking. Which incidentally was a sanction that should've been given to Cameron Schwab. Unfortunately, Schwab was the signatory to Melbournes poker machines and the AFL was panicking that if Schwab was sanctioned, Melbourne may have their licences revoked. Melbourne was barely financial at the time and the AFL had been tipping bucket loads of cash into the club at the time.

Brett Burton, which resulted in the loss of Poulos and Bode. Burton elevated to GM of Football only to introduce the club to KangaTech lite, resulting in plethora of soft tissue injuries. Also introducing Collective Minds and the cluster fu** that caused and the resulting fall out.

A current coaching panel with a rookie coach and a group bereft of experience and seemingly talent. That's without taking into account assistants like Teague, Francou or Tate Kaesler. Ben Hart, the only coach with a degree of experience is currently suspended for the CoVid breach.

David Noble head hunted by the AFL to assist with the rebuild of Brisbane.

In fact the only place that's there's been any stability in that time period is on the board.

The club desperately needs some stability in senior roles in the football department. A new coaching panel, probably with the exception of Nicks. A decent development coach/s considering the volume of youth we already have and will be drafting over the next couple of years.

A new training and administration base.

All of that without taking into consideration the players we've developed and lost over the last 5 years. Our list would look a lot different if we added players lost through the Tippett sanctions, and include Cameron, Dangerfield, Lever, McGovern. It's doubtful either Greenwood or Keath would've been drafted. A couple of players the club spent 4 years developing only to let them go for SFA.

There's probably plenty more.

Surely with covid there have been a ton of quality football people forced out of clubs that have had to make hard decisions on staff.

So surely we can capitalise on that and fill some holes in our football dept with better qualified people.

Did I read somewhere that Matt Rendell is available?

But we'd need a board thinking about something other than self-preservation to capitalise on such an opportunity.