Traded Tim Kelly [traded with #57 and future 3rd to West Coast for #14, #24, #33 and future 1st]

[Lore]

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After a ridiculously drawn out period of speculation, Tim Kelly has finally come out of contract and again requested a trade to West Coast.

Club Statement: Tim Kelly

Tim Kelly has asked that the club trade him to Western Australia.

geelongcats.com.au

Previous editions of this thread linked below

2018: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tim-kelly-exploring-trade-options-home-to-west-coast.1193932/

2019, Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/tim-kelly-requested-a-trade-to-west-coast.1214892/

 

[Two Planks]

Just like Tim Kelly, we have moved.

 

[Wojcinski]

Oh this is news to me

 

[Suma Magic]

Kelly was contracted last year and you offered 25, 30 and 40

Those picks were after trades. We turned 20 and 22 into 28, 31, 35 and 24 this year. We had to give up 51 this year as part of that.

So from our perspective we could have had:

Tim Kelly and pick 51 (2020)

or

28, 31, 35, 24 (2020), 33 (2020)

 

[The 747]

Getting in early

Gee posters - top 10 pick

WCE posters - 14 and 22

Freo posters - eh maybe

Gee posters - send him to the draft

WCE posters - but last year we offered four elephants

Gee posters - only three elephants offered. Fact.

WCE posters - but Dangerfield

Gee posters - not the same

WCE poster - he's not that good

Gee posters - he's like Wayne Carey but a mid

Normal WCE posters - two firsts, maybe a second with something coming back

Normal Gee posters - OK done

 

[The Falcon Strike]

What did this thread have to trade to the old thread for it's services?

Anything more than 10 likes, a notification and a link in the OP is overs IMO

 

[Suma Magic]

Getting in early

Gee posters - top 10 pick

WCE posters - 14 and 22

Freo posters - eh maybe

Gee posters - send him to the draft

WCE posters - but last year we offered four elephants

Gee posters - only three elephants offered. Fact.

WCE posters - but Dangerfield

Gee posters - not the same

WCE poster - he's not that good

Gee posters - he's like Wayne Carey but a mid

Normal WCE posters - two firsts, maybe a second with something coming back

Normal Gee posters - OK done

Haha loves the elephants reference.

It was definitely 4...

 

[Forward Press]

Posting on first page in what is sure to be another epic thread.

Cannot recall this much discussion over a player over the past few years.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Getting in early

Gee posters - top 10 pick

Normal WCE posters - two firsts, maybe a second with something coming back

Normal Gee posters - OK done

Quality bantz

But genuine question - you pose "top 10 pick" as appropriate for Kelly

That's less than what you post as "normal WC posters".

I'm sure we could generate a pick in the top 10 with two firsts and have change left over

Say we have pick 14 and pick 18 (next years first)

That equates to somewhere between pick 3 and 4.

So if we said pick "7" as the top 10 which is what Freo could offer. Picks 14 and Picks 18 would then need Pick 36 back to equalise

Ie Our first this year and first next year for Geelong's second next year

Most WC supporters would be ok with that.

For mine the obvious and cleanest position is simply the two firsts - I wouldn't have said that last year - but he has delivered a high quality season.

 

[The 747]

Haha loves the elephants reference.

It was definitely 4...

Disingenuous, you offered Indian elephants, we asked for African elephants.

 

[catman2006]

Disingenuous, you offered Indian elephants, we asked for African elephants.

Best analogy of the day

 

[The 747]

Quality bantz

But genuine question - you pose "top 10 pick" as appropriate for Kelly

That's less than what you post as "normal WC posters".

I'm sure we could generate a pick in the top 10 with two firsts and have change left over

Say we have pick 14 and pick 18 (next years first)

That equates to somewhere between pick 3 and 4.

So if we said pick "7" as the top 10 which is what Freo could offer. Picks 14 and Picks 18 would then need Pick 36 back to equalise

Ie Our first this year and first next year for Geelong's second next year

Most WC supporters would be ok with that.

For mine the obvious and cleanest position is simply the two firsts - I wouldn't have said that last year - but he has delivered a high quality season.

I don't think a top 10 pick is appropriate, I think two firsts are the go. If we want to try to turn those picks into a top 10 pick, that is up to us. Asking WCE to turn them into a top 10 pick is just making things difficult.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Quality bantz

But genuine question - you pose "top 10 pick" as appropriate for Kelly

That's less than what you post as "normal WC posters".

I'm sure we could generate a pick in the top 10 with two firsts and have change left over

Say we have pick 14 and pick 18 (next years first)

That equates to somewhere between pick 3 and 4.

So if we said pick "7" as the top 10 which is what Freo could offer. Picks 14 and Picks 18 would then need Pick 36 back to equalise

Ie Our first this year and first next year for Geelong's second next year

Most WC supporters would be ok with that.

For mine the obvious and cleanest position is simply the two firsts - I wouldn't have said that last year - but he has delivered a high quality season.

The points argument never holds water because we are after A grade players not points.

 

[BartBart]

Disingenuous, you offered Indian elephants, we asked for African elephants.

Although Indian elephants are better than the plastic ones Geelong fans reckon we offered.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Can someone explain to me how this isn't the same as the Dangerfield situation? Legit question.

 

[Sttew]

Can someone explain to me how this isn't the same as the Dangerfield situation? Legit question.

Simple! Kelly is uncontracted but NOT a free agent. Dangerfield was a restricted free agent

 

[SloppyJoe]

I hope for the sake of Tim, his family and the BF servers this trade gets done quick.

 

[Seeds]

Quality bantz

But genuine question - you pose "top 10 pick" as appropriate for Kelly

That's less than what you post as "normal WC posters".

I'm sure we could generate a pick in the top 10 with two firsts and have change left over

Say we have pick 14 and pick 18 (next years first)

That equates to somewhere between pick 3 and 4.

So if we said pick "7" as the top 10 which is what Freo could offer. Picks 14 and Picks 18 would then need Pick 36 back to equalise

Ie Our first this year and first next year for Geelong's second next year

Most WC supporters would be ok with that.

For mine the obvious and cleanest position is simply the two firsts - I wouldn't have said that last year - but he has delivered a high quality season.

Our picks in the teens over the last decade include cameron thurlow, billie smedts, darcy lang. you can see why we think kelly is worth more than two of those.

 

[gandaal]

Simple! Kelly is uncontracted but NOT a free agent. Dangerfield was a restricted free agent

But that was irrelevant because Adelaide matched the bid. He became an uncontracted player rather than a free agent as soon as that occurred.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I hope for the sake of Tim, his family and the BF servers this trade gets done quick.

If it gets done it will be on the last day. Bookmark it.

 

[marty36]

Deal will clearly be one of these two

West Coast this years first 14 and this years second 24 = Kelly

Geelong this years first 14 and next years first predicted 16 = Kelly

Not much really between them

 

[pantskyle]

But that was irrelevant because Adelaide matched the bid. He became an uncontracted player rather than a free agent as soon as that occurred.

Sort of, they said they would match it, no paperwork was lodged. But essentially yes, he became an uncontracted player.

 

[Two Planks]

Say we have pick 14 and pick 18 (next years first)

That equates to somewhere between pick 3 and 4.

Melbourne and Adelaide have both said their picks are up for grabs. Go and ask them if they would swap 3 or 4 for 14 and a future 1st.

I think I know the answer.

 

[The 747]

Can someone explain to me how this isn't the same as the Dangerfield situation? Legit question.

In short because of the RFA, Adelaide stood to gain pick 14 as compo - so we just had to offer more than pick 14 not full trade value. No serious Geelong poster thinks we paid fair value for Dangerfield.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Simple! Kelly is uncontracted but NOT a free agent. Dangerfield was a restricted free agent

Cheers. Wasn't sure if Danger had qualified or not, for some reason I was thinking a player had to be there for 10 years to qualify.