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Live Event Toby Greene fronts the tribunal - Suspension appeal
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Here is Toby Greenes track record in total prior to the incidents and charges of the last two weeks (not including his civil charges) - courtesy of an AFL article:
Total: 16 charges
Suspensions: Six matches
Fines: $18,850
2012: Made ineligible for the NAB AFL Rising Star after he was suspended for one match for an ugly bump on Brisbane veteran Jed Adcock.
2012: Fined $1200 for his role in a melee during Greater Western Sydney's clash with Melbourne.
2013: Cops a $1950 fine for making reckless contact with an umpire in a game against Gold Coast.
2014: Was fortunate to walk away with a one-match suspension for striking Adelaide midfielder Richard Douglas, with the offence classified as a level-three sanction.
2014: Fined another $1200 for engaging in a melee, this time against the Western Bulldogs.
2015: Hit with a $1500 fine for spitting in the direction of Richmond midfielder Anthony Miles.
2015: Another year, another $1500 fine for engaging in a melee, this time against Fremantle.
2016: Fined $1000 for misconduct, having pushed Port Adelaide youngster Brendon Ah Chee into a fence.
2017: Hit with a $1000 misconduct fine in the pre-season, having given Sam Wright a slap to the face late in the game.
2017: Fined $1000 for striking Port Adelaide midfielder Dan Houston, with the charge graded as low impact to the head.
2017: Hit with a two-match striking suspension after clipping Western Bulldogs midfielder Caleb Daniel with an extremely late spoil attempt.
2017: Forced to serve another two-match suspension after striking Richmond defender Alex Rance to the jaw with a jumper-punch.
2017: Controversially offered a $1500 misconduct fine for his 'Jackie Chan' kick to the face of Western Bulldogs forward Luke Dahlhaus.
2018: Fined $2500 for misconduct, having appeared to drop his knee into Sydney midfielder Isaac Heeney during their elimination final.
2018: Fined another $2500 for misconduct the very next week during a semi-final against Collingwood, where he was involved in a back-and-forth with midfielder Taylor Adams.
2019: Slapped with a $2000 fine for striking, having handed Melbourne midfielder Clayton Oliver a tummy tap in an off-the-ball incident.
"Bearing in mind the Serious Misconduct against Marcus Bontempelli was actually three offenses rolled into one charge.
Greene was involved in a series of offences involving Marcus Bontempelli. He is understood to have made contact with his fingers to the region around Bontempelli’s eyes, dug his forearm into his head and also appears at one stage to pull the hair of the Western Bulldogs midfielder" (also repeatedly pushed his head into the ground but this wasn't mentioned).
"Greene was charged for the totality of the incidents, not one single offence."
Yet the AFL, through its own prosecutor only called for a fine (albeit substantial - but effictively the AFL as admistrators of GWS are paying for their own fine) and not a suspension (which can be applied to a charge of Serious Misconduct) with a track record like this?
Difficult to understand how a suspension wasn't called for - a serial offender
Shouldn't have been allowed to play against Brisbane.
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I can see it all now, Hawkins will get off with a slap on the wrist and Greene will be suspended.
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The Tobester getting rested might not be too bad for GWS. The timing for it might be a little unconventional but the team can’t afford to take the focus off winning the Prelim without him. They succeed, he comes back to the GF and all this will be past them.
What's he being suspended for then? A cumulative record of priors? He may well be a complete grub, but that's not what should be adjudicated here - he should be judged on the action.
No way is what he did last night even close to what he did to Bontempelli. It makes no sense that he gets a week now yet only cops a fine for what he did against the Dogs.
Oh hang on, they're playing Collingwood this week. jog on then.....all makes sense now.
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This has been done. Over and over.
It’s not a conspiracy. It’s Greene leaving the mro no wiggle room to let him off because he keeps doing the same dumb shit over and over. People already questioned why he got a huge fine instead of a suspension. They couldn’t give another huge fine for the same shit the next week.
Hope Toby is free to play
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The clowns in this thread defending him are spewing out the cliche remarks
- hes a victim of trial by media
- you would have him on your team
- If (player that isnt dirty) did it , no one would say anything , but because its greene they do
- Footys a contact sport
Want to know the simplest way to not have to worry about suspensions ? Dont put your fingers near another players eyes deliberately and we wouldn't even be discussing this. Eye gouging is such a dog act. Especially the way he looks around and lies in the pack and knows what he is doing, dirty grub
- hes a victim of trial by media
- you would have him on your team
- If (player that isnt dirty) did it , no one would say anything , but because its greene they do
- Footys a contact sport
Want to know the simplest way to not have to worry about suspensions ? Dont put your fingers near another players eyes deliberately and we wouldn't even be discussing this. Eye gouging is such a dog act. Especially the way he looks around and lies in the pack and knows what he is doing, dirty grub
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Dumb? my fur coat he is! did you se him speaking after game ? fooking hell
Interesting re your private area example.
Where was Birchalls suspension when he grabbed Hodge?
As I said if he clawed at the eyes he deserves a week. From the footage available I dont see a claw. I look forward to seeing the evidence that ex Collingwood player Christian (how convenient) has used
Yes they can.
That’s the point. Priors are irrelevant on the new grading system. Carryover points etc were dispensed with a few years ago. This incident needs to be viewed as though it was commited by someone who has no priors. It wouldn’t even have been looked at in that case.
There is no way this stands up in the tribunal hearing if they review the facts of this case in isolation.
Firstly, it wasn't the same shit.
Secondly, it doesn't matter. I was all for giving him weeks from what he did last week, but last night's incident was nowhere near as bad. A shitload of priors doesn't make a fineable incident (at worst seemingly) a suspendable one.
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Yeah it really is a dog act. Not sure how it’s relevant though.
You have a short memory.
Last years finals - more Toby Greene.
Dog act on Heeney - gets off with a fine, ends up at the Tribunal the following week after re-offending when playing Collingwood
2018: Fined $2500 for misconduct, having appeared to drop his knee into Sydney midfielder Isaac Heeney during their elimination final.
2018: Fined another $2500 for misconduct the very next week during a semi-final against Collingwood, where he was involved in a back-and-forth with midfielder Taylor Adams.
Yes you should be judged on your action. He was - he plead guilty.
But when sentencing the penalty applicable should always take into account the record and character of the offender.
Last years finals, should have been suspended for his dog act of dropping his knees into Heeney too.
Played Collingwood the next week on that occasion and got fined for misconduct for engaging in rough conduct against Adams (who is actually a mate of Greenes!). Adams got fined as well for getting in a scuffle with Greene.
FFS This guy even has a previous history of re-offending a week after receiving a fine from the Tribunal. Taking the piss.
Says he's sorry, pleads guilty, gets a fine and then goes out the next week and continue to commit dog acts.
Three offences were rolled up into one charge of "serious misconduct" for the actions of Greene on Bontempelli.
Fines and/or suspension are penalties that can be issued if you are found guilty "serious misconduct"
The tribunal didn't even consider giving Greene a suspension for the three offences that were rolled into one charge as the AFL prosecutor only recommended a fine of $7500 and not suspension. The AFL actually at one stage tried to reduce the fine to $5000.
When the guilty plea was entered the Tribunal dd not even review the footage, just accepted the guilty plea and applied the original $7500 penalty requested and recommended by the AFL prosecutor.
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what do you think he was doing ? cleaning the sleep away from neales eyes? what logic reason is there for having his hands near his eyes
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Remiss not to review the footage. Convenient plea deal obviously.
At no stage did you even come close to explaining why any of that is relevant.
You won't get any argument from me that he's a grub. But he could have mowed down 20 people in a machine gun rampage last week, it shouldn't impact the MRP assessment of the incident last night.
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Cmon mayn! You’re not one to making calls. North’s drafting hasn’t been great itself.
Oh look, Greene repeated his performance from one week to the next. Not only a grub but incredibly stupid. Will the AFL follow through this week for his serious misconduct?
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Under the MRP guidelines, there isn't a difference. It's about conduct, impact and contact. That determines the sentence. Nowhere does prior record come into it.
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Are people so dense that they don't understand how bad eye gouging is? It's not like belting someone in the stomach - it is an incredibly violent, malicious act with the potential for permanent serious injury.
The problem is that the AFL essentially ticked off on Greene doing it to Bont and now Toby has rewarded them by doing it again the very next week. They are playing a very dangerous game here if they let him off again.
The problem is that the AFL essentially ticked off on Greene doing it to Bont and now Toby has rewarded them by doing it again the very next week. They are playing a very dangerous game here if they let him off again.
Except there’s zero proof he eye gauged Neale. There barely looks like contact apart from a brush let alone fully going in and eye gauging the bloke. I get you don’t like him and don’t want him facing your team after being best on on the weekend, but maybe look at it objectively.
Zero proof on the video that he did more than touch his face with zero force. Unless you have access to other footage...?
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