List Mgmt. Trade: Allen Christensen traded to Brisbane in exchange for National Draft selection no. 21

[iameviljez]

I see pick 5 as equivalent to the fifth best player going around. Its not?

It's equivalent to the fifth best subjective prospect in the draft. Kindof in the same way that Tambling wasn't the fourth best player in the Franklin/Roughead draft, but he certainly went at pick 4.

 

[JUBJUB]

mate if he leaves, I leave

Ninty has just outed himself as Trav Varcoe

 

[Vdubs]

If we could get Mc Stay, that would be a great outcome; I wanted him this time last year, and he has impressed this season.
Bundy for McStay= win/win

 

[STP18]

Yeah, I remember saying in 2011 (before Menzel's first knee reco) that the 2009 draft could eventually rival the 2001 draft for Geelong.

Yeah I had the same thoughts. Amazing how quickly things can change in footy.

 

[meto]

WTF are you on about you moronic peanut ?
I was replying to a comment daz made.

I hope he stays just to PISS YOU OFF !!!
Me,I couldn't give a shit if he stays or goes.

Oh yeah so you say!!....well why post dork brain!

 

[The rabbi]

Gee the '09 draft which looked like setting us up perfectly for the future has gone to crap through no fault of the clubs.

Vardy, Menzel, Cowan all plagued by injury, Christensen leaving. Someone put Duncan in cotton wool ASAP.

Isn't Duncan supposed to be the trade bait to acquire Dangerfield's services on this forum?

 

[Ninty]

How much $$ have you wasted on your 08-14 medals on Trav?

got to go to a private training session and got invited to a bnf.. so zero.

 

[STP18]

Isn't Duncan supposed to be the trade bait to acquire Dangerfield's services on this forum?

The way everything is panning out you're probably right. Vale the draft class of '09.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Surely the academy and f/s picks count, in that they are players new to the system?

I would assume so. F/S definitely would and I don't really see why academy players would be treated any differently.

 

[Teriyakicat]

Breathe breathe breathe

gee, it's been a long time since I've had kids, NSFB. I think I've forgotten how!!

This is how I'm feeling atm...

Just got home- am off to make another coffee and go back and read some of the pages i've skipped ...

Was about to post about how the 2009 drafted kids seem to be falling apart- but have been beaten to it. Lost Mumford, picked up Drum, players breaking down...

Better wrap Duncan up in cotton wool and make him Vice Captain next season, I think, and throw a shitload of money at him!!!

 

[Decimate]

got to go to a private training session and got invited to a bnf.. so zero.

A waste because of the player you paid for I mean. Would be different if it was someone like Selwood obviously.

 

[Decimate]

Blicavs 600k 10 year contract

 

[MajorPayne]

If we could get Mc Stay, that would be a great outcome; I wanted him this time last year, and he has impressed this season.
Bundy for McStay= win/win

I wish Bundy would McStay and we would win a McPremiership

 

[Partridge]

Blicavs 600k 10 year contract

What's that, what he wants or what he's been offered?

If he's been offered that he's gone (and he should be too).

 

[Decimate]

What's that, what he wants or what he's been offered?

If he's been offered that he's gone (and he should be too).

What we should offer
Basically what Whoretorn offered Frawley with an extra 6 years

 

[domin8tors]

so I thought that I'd sneak a peek at the Geelong board ( Collingwood Supporter ) and see if it was just us eating our own or if it's every club..
Firstly congrats on the 3 flags you guys are a great club. I find it entertaining how a few players want to leave and the skies falling down,, we should sack the coach and so on. I think that fans in general are too hysterical and given that 18 teams are all after the same prize our expectations are extremely high when we miss out only on the finals.

 

[Pivo]

No no, obviously you should do what people do here, which is take the fifth best player with the benefit of hindsight and treat pick 5 as being worth the equivalent of that player.

Funny you bring that up.

Earlier in the day I made a statement that probably was/is considered outlandish (even I added the rider that the targeted player's club would baulk at the suggestion of a swap).

However, using Footywire to do a side by side between Christensen and David Swallow for the ages of 20, 21 and 22 makes for interesting reading.

At 20
Christensen (19 games/67% time on ground) - 8.1 kicks / 7.9 handballs / 3.1 marks / 1 goal / 3.7 tackles / 72.5% effective disposals / 2.8 clearances

Swallow (12 games/69.4% time on ground) - 10.8 kicks / 8 handballs / 2.6 marks / 0.7 goals / 3.6 tackles / 63.8% effective disposals / 3.1 clearances

At 21
Christensen (17 games/75.8% time on ground) - 9.8 kicks / 9.6 handballs / 2.8 marks / 0.5 goals / 3.7 tackles / 66.5% effective disposals / 2.8 clearances

Swallow (18 games/81.1% time on ground) - 10.8 kicks / 8.4 handballs / 2.6 marks / 0.2 goals / 3.4 tackles / 70.5% effective disposal / 2.3 clearances

At 22
Christensen (21 games/78.8% time on ground) - 10.1 kicks / 11 handballs / 3.2 marks / 1.1 goals / 4 tackles / 71.1% effective disposal / 3 clearances

Swallow (22 games/77.4% time on ground) - 13 kicks / 10.3 handballs / 3 marks / 0.7 goals / 5.4 tackles / 66.1% effective disposal / 5 clearances

The two appear to be tracking reasonably similarly at each age milestone yet most people would scoff at the suggestion that Christensen and Swallow are on equal footing (at least stat wise).

I'll assume some of that disbelief is due to the fact Swallow was a #1 draft selection while Christensen was taken in at 40.

Looking at the stats, I can see why Christensen was rated in some quarters during his draft year as a possible first round selection.

Now, even though I proposed it I can't see any way Gold Coast would entertain a swap of that nature but it might also serve as a pointer to Christensen's possible value considering he is keeping pace with a highly rated, former #1 selection.

 

[caitsith01]

I see pick 5 as equivalent to the fifth best player going around. Its not?

In my opinion - absolutely not. It would only be that if you had a time machine and could travel forward five years to see how the potential draftees turned out.

 

[OzeSparky]

so I thought that I'd sneak a peek at the Geelong board ( Collingwood Supporter ) and see if it was just us eating our own or if it's every club..
Firstly congrats on the 3 flags you guys are a great club. I find it entertaining how a few players want to leave and the skies falling down,, we should sack the coach and so on. I think that fans in general are too hysterical and given that 18 teams are all after the same prize our expectations are extremely high when we miss out only on the finals.

So True, but the sky is falling!

 

[caitsith01]

Funny you bring that up.

Earlier in the day I made a statement that probably was/is considered outlandish (even I added the rider that the targeted player's club would baulk at the suggestion of a swap).

However, using Footywire to do a side by side between Christensen and David Swallow for the ages of 20, 21 and 22 makes for interesting reading.

At 20
Christensen (19 games/67% time on ground) - 8.1 kicks / 7.9 handballs / 3.1 marks / 1 goal / 3.7 tackles / 72.5% effective disposals / 2.8 clearances

Swallow (12 games/69.4% time on ground) - 10.8 kicks / 8 handballs / 2.6 marks / 0.7 goals / 3.6 tackles / 63.8% effective disposals / 3.1 clearances

At 21
Christensen (17 games/75.8% time on ground) - 9.8 kicks / 9.6 handballs / 2.8 marks / 0.5 goals / 3.7 tackles / 66.5% effective disposals / 2.8 clearances

Swallow (18 games/81.1% time on ground) - 10.8 kicks / 8.4 handballs / 2.6 marks / 0.2 goals / 3.4 tackles / 70.5% effective disposal / 2.3 clearances

At 22
Christensen (21 games/78.8% time on ground) - 10.1 kicks / 11 handballs / 3.2 marks / 1.1 goals / 4 tackles / 71.1% effective disposal / 3 clearances

Swallow (22 games/77.4% time on ground) - 13 kicks / 10.3 handballs / 3 marks / 0.7 goals / 5.4 tackles / 66.1% effective disposal / 5 clearances

The two appear to be tracking reasonably similarly at each age milestone yet most people would scoff at the suggestion that Christensen and Swallow are on equal footing (at least stat wise).

I'll assume some of that disbelief is due to the fact Swallow was a #1 draft selection while Christensen was taken in at 40.

Looking at the stats, I can see why Christensen was rated in some quarters during his draft year as a possible first round selection.

Now, even though I proposed it I can't see any way Gold Coast would entertain a swap of that nature but it might also serve as a pointer to Christensen's possible value considering he is keeping pace with a highly rated, former #1 selection.

Excellent post, thanks.

As I posted earlier, people massively over rate what a draft pick is worth.

 

[Ninty]

A waste because of the player you paid for I mean. Would be different if it was someone like Selwood obviously.

meh. he can do what he pleases for all I care.. I will always remember this

 

[Teriyakicat]

ooohhh..thats right, the missus got me a flake showbag when she was in perth on friday....see you later, im off to try and trade for some diabetes!

hahaha- thank you, rooie! Laughter is the best medicine!! Chocolate is 2nd best!

 

[Partridge]

What we should offer
Basically what Whoretorn offered Frawley with an extra 6 years

Ah I see. No we shouldn't.

 

[fpm84]

I've been offline for a few hours.

Do we know with any certainty whether Christensen is contracted for 2015 or not?

 

[manboob]

Looking at the stats, I can see why Christensen was rated in some quarters during his draft year as a possible first round selection.

Now, even though I proposed it I can't see any way Gold Coast would entertain a swap of that nature but it might also serve as a pointer to Christensen's possible value considering he is keeping pace with a highly rated, former #1 selection.

I think all 3 clubs concerned know the gravity of Christensen's decision and that's why they are all like: "Right let's just sit back and work this through in due course".