TakingThePies
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List Mgmt. Trade and F/A 2020 Cont’d
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I'm not expecting this trade to eventuate but if you're looking for an example of how we try and improve our draft hand in a different strategy to selling the farm for one player at pick 2 then read on.
Collingwood retain: Pick 16
Collingwood gain: Pick 10, Pick 20, Pick 29, 2021 3rd round selection (all GWS)
Collingwood lose: Pick 14, 2021 1st round selection, 2021 2nd round selection (as we have two we are able to trade one!)
Whether we'd need to exchange future selections beyond round 1 to get a deal done or whether we could exchange pick 16 for 13/15 in the process of this deal are the finer details that can only be haggled over by the list managers. What I will say is that I hate seeing embarrassingly one sided trade suggestions and something of value would need to be on offer for GWS to entertain sliding back their earliest pick and I'm not convinced that our future 1st on it's own would be accepted for an end of 1st round and mid 2nd round selection.
My first point of thinking with any trade scenario is ending up with a pick that should see it falling prior to a bid on Reef eventuating and one that is also low enough to still be in the mix for that next best key position player after the likes of McDonald, Thilthorpe and Grainger-Barras are gone.
Someone like Reid or Cox.
After that it's about extracting value knowing a bid for Reef is expected to eventuate around the 15 to 25 range.
If it comes after pick 10 but prior to 16 then with our discount it should still see a situation where we have 1 selection remaining that falls at the very end of the 1st round. If it comes after pick 16 but prior to pick 20 then we'd still be left with a second round selection which in itself may have improved slightly from 29 owing to other clubs using picks to match bids before us. In all scenarios Reef is paid for and no points deficit will be carried over.
Hine was on radio earlier in the year and he appeared quite positive about the quality of the top 30 prospects available so having a selection remaining in the 2nd round and after the expected bid for Reef might appeal to him.
Collingwood retain: Pick 16
Collingwood gain: Pick 10, Pick 20, Pick 29, 2021 3rd round selection (all GWS)
Collingwood lose: Pick 14, 2021 1st round selection, 2021 2nd round selection (as we have two we are able to trade one!)
Whether we'd need to exchange future selections beyond round 1 to get a deal done or whether we could exchange pick 16 for 13/15 in the process of this deal are the finer details that can only be haggled over by the list managers. What I will say is that I hate seeing embarrassingly one sided trade suggestions and something of value would need to be on offer for GWS to entertain sliding back their earliest pick and I'm not convinced that our future 1st on it's own would be accepted for an end of 1st round and mid 2nd round selection.
My first point of thinking with any trade scenario is ending up with a pick that should see it falling prior to a bid on Reef eventuating and one that is also low enough to still be in the mix for that next best key position player after the likes of McDonald, Thilthorpe and Grainger-Barras are gone.
Someone like Reid or Cox.
After that it's about extracting value knowing a bid for Reef is expected to eventuate around the 15 to 25 range.
If it comes after pick 10 but prior to 16 then with our discount it should still see a situation where we have 1 selection remaining that falls at the very end of the 1st round. If it comes after pick 16 but prior to pick 20 then we'd still be left with a second round selection which in itself may have improved slightly from 29 owing to other clubs using picks to match bids before us. In all scenarios Reef is paid for and no points deficit will be carried over.
Hine was on radio earlier in the year and he appeared quite positive about the quality of the top 30 prospects available so having a selection remaining in the 2nd round and after the expected bid for Reef might appeal to him.
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Maybe we go in a few short and see what emerges later on, given the AFL is hinting at potentially multiple opportunities to add additional players?
Could very well be the best year ever to go with that strategy, considering all U18 draftees hailing from Victoria are coming in off a missed season in 2020?
Based on his answer to the direct question on SEN the other day Bertrand has no interest in being on the board and supports those charged with making the decisions.
grayza2018
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Regarding DFAs, I heard on Triple M Adelaide during the trade period via Mark Ricciuto that the Pies were keen on Jordan Gallucci. Haven't seen one mention in Vic press and if mentioned here I've missed it.
No idea of likelihood but speaking hypothetically he might be a cheap Stepho replacement in that forward role? Coming off a nasty injury though, Achilles rupture
No idea of likelihood but speaking hypothetically he might be a cheap Stepho replacement in that forward role? Coming off a nasty injury though, Achilles rupture
sr36
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Can't say I've watched him closely enough, but he does some electric things. What's the issue with him?
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if we are talking about Galluci then I agree. apparently he has been injured a fair bit since he got recruited so maybe he might just needs an injury free run at it, from I've seen of him I always thought he was average but he has great burst of speed
Jen2310
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Thilthrope was the #1 Tall other than JUH prior to his injury this year and Logan's rise. I think Riley fills more of a need for Crows. Not only if he a key forward, but he can ruck, so can help out ROB. Plus a local, which they have missed out on the ladt few years.
grayza2018
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I think that particular comment was about Matty Parker, could easily apply to Gallucci though!
grayza2018
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What's the story with Matt Kennedy at Carlton? He's delisted, but Carlton have committed a rookie draft pick to him? Or has that rule changed?
If available in the national draft I'd be interested, a definite upgrade on Wills for an inside mid role, and age is on his side too
If available in the national draft I'd be interested, a definite upgrade on Wills for an inside mid role, and age is on his side too
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Teams can still take him before Carlton does
TakingThePies
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He just doesn't, he kicks a couple of goals but thats it for the year, I watched him vs us in 2019 when we were 1/2 best team in the comp, he was on the bench more than he was on the ground and he wasn't injured.
Were better off taking a chance on a younger indigenous kid in the draft.
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Why was he called 'Nuts'?
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Yeah some of them got delisted really quickly...
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I would totally be getting into his agent's ear if I were other clubs, potentially including ours. He's better than being rookie-listed depth for the Scum and given some actual opportunity for a decent side could turn out to be good as a mature-aged recruit.
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Dont quote me, but i recall reading somewhere once it was due to the size of his head?
I don't mind Parker, he has a lot of X Factor about him. 2019 was his first season in the AFL and he averaged basically a goal a game as well as three tackles which I reckon you'd take from a first year forward. Would've been nice to see him improve or show something more this year, but I guess if he'd done that we wouldn't discussing him on here as a DFA.
I don't foresee him being the "solution" to our forward line issues, but I do think he'd provide something more than JT would i50.
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I would have been fine with us taking a chance on Sydney Stack, or at least asking Richmond the question if they were on the fence re: giving him the flick.
Alas that opportunity appears to have passed and in hindsight we probably don't have the support network within the club anyway, given that we don't have any other indigenous players on the list to help him settle in at our club (only bringing this up as he's been a little wayward again this year as we all are probably aware).
Kid has talent and work ethic (as evidenced by his rapid rise in 2019) when he gets the bit above the shoulders right though and would be well worth a punt.
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Pretty sure we decided it was Keane.
Yeah achilles are not the injury you want at any stage of your career. Not sure we can afford to nurse a bloke through a full season with list sizes now.
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Correct, his family called him that due to his large melon as a child.
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Very keen on him.
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Got a bit of toe and uses it well. Could think of a few players on the list now that this bloke would be well ahead of
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