Yep, Newborough.
Can't recall at what point he went back, but think all 3 games he managed at AFL level were up forward.
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Can't recall at what point he went back, but think all 3 games he managed at AFL level were up forward.
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If not for Norff...that's where CCJ would have ended up...
Those 4 all went late because despite elite talent and traits they all had significant questions marks which is why they went so late (or not at all in Stacks case). And I think it was great drafting by us, as apart from Bolton we were in premiership mode, so we could take our time and develop them.
But the question marks reduce closer to the top, and while they’re are plenty of busts the best talents/most influential players of the last 20 years are top 5 picks or f/s
Riewoldt - 1
Hodge - 1
Judd - 3
buddy - 5
GAJ - F/S
Dusty - 3
Goodes - 43 (in 97 so I think still a bit in the dark ages of drafting)
The next closest is probably Fyfe and he was 20, an incredible pick. Cotchin, Pendlebury, Selwood, Mitchell, Rance, Scarlett and Bartel are just a level below.
Most of the time in most sports the best are very good from a young age. Having a top 5 pick is just about increasing your odds of landing an all time great.
Just wanted to pick a couple you may have missed
J.Riewoldt
A.Rance
D.Grimes
E.Betts
D.Zorko
L.Neal
Some players just mature at different times and some players just dont fit the physical mould the recruiters believe will make it D.Swan perfect example
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what a cracking draft 2001 was (*denotes a Brownlow):
Pick 71 - Brian Lake 251 games
Pick 60 - Adam Schneider 228 games
*Pick 58 - Dane Swan 258 games
Pick 46 - Jarrad Waite 244 games
**Pick 40 - Garry Ablett Jnr 357 games
Pick 37 - Leigh Montagna 287 games
*Pick 36 - Sam Mitchell 329 games
Pick 32 - Campbell Brown 205 games
Pick 24 - Steve Johnson 293 games
Pick 17 - James Kelly 313 games
Pick 13 - Nick DalSanto 322 games
Pick 12 - Brent Reilly 203 games
*Pick 8 - Jimmy Bartel 305 games
Pick 7 - David Hale 237 games
**Pick 3 - Chris Judd 279 games
Pick 2 - Luke Ball 223 games
Pick 1 - Luke Hodge 346 games
Another 12 were in the 100 to 200 game category as well. And while a couple of those in 200+ category are not exactly household names, great service all the same - oh and one Goal Umpire - DRod)!
The following year, 2002 produced just 10 players 200+ No Brownlows and One Field Umpire (Leigh Fisher)
Pick 71 - Brian Lake 251 games
Pick 60 - Adam Schneider 228 games
*Pick 58 - Dane Swan 258 games
Pick 46 - Jarrad Waite 244 games
**Pick 40 - Garry Ablett Jnr 357 games
Pick 37 - Leigh Montagna 287 games
*Pick 36 - Sam Mitchell 329 games
Pick 32 - Campbell Brown 205 games
Pick 24 - Steve Johnson 293 games
Pick 17 - James Kelly 313 games
Pick 13 - Nick DalSanto 322 games
Pick 12 - Brent Reilly 203 games
*Pick 8 - Jimmy Bartel 305 games
Pick 7 - David Hale 237 games
**Pick 3 - Chris Judd 279 games
Pick 2 - Luke Ball 223 games
Pick 1 - Luke Hodge 346 games
Another 12 were in the 100 to 200 game category as well. And while a couple of those in 200+ category are not exactly household names, great service all the same - oh and one Goal Umpire - DRod)!
The following year, 2002 produced just 10 players 200+ No Brownlows and One Field Umpire (Leigh Fisher)
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tigs2010
Pick 1...
Who the hell is Brent Reilly? LOL
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tigs2010
Pick 1...
Never heard of him. Must have been 200 underwhelming gamesHad a lazy 12 seasons with the Crows
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Nothing like the 200 played in your head I'm guessingNever heard of him. Must have been 200 underwhelming games
. As a kid I lived in fantasy land too - I always received a handball from Kevin Bartlett to kick the winning goal!
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I counted 5 Norm Smiff medalists as well in that list
tigs2010
Pick 1...
Pretty impressive. I thought 2009 was going well with 3.
you forgot to add David Rodan @ 33 ...
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Paying massive overs imo. 3 picks for one 18 year old kid untried in senior footy? That’s madness imo. Need to have some faith in our List Management team
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Skinner is too slow. Knees.
And we traded our first pick for a 27-year-old Stafford (could have had James Kelly, Stevie J, LRT or Brown), used 33 on Rodan (Mitchell, Montagna) traded our third for a 31-year-old Hudson (Swan, Schneider, Medhurst) and used fourth-round picks on Houlihan and redrafting Hyde when Lake was on the board. Completed the draft with Marty McGrath at 77 and Aaron James at 83.
Geniuses running the club at the time.
Incredible.
And we traded our first pick for a 27-year-old Stafford (could have had James Kelly, Stevie J, LRT or Brown), used 33 on Rodan (Mitchell, Montagna) traded our third for a 31-year-old Hudson (Swan, Schneider, Medhurst) and used fourth-round picks on Houlihan and redrafting Hyde when Lake was on the board. Completed the draft with Marty McGrath at 77 and Aaron James at 83.
Geniuses running the club at the time.
Think it's 9 or not at all for Goater. West Coast or Bummers will swoop.
I want him too, but that's well overs.
Could do 26, 27, 28 to Essendon for 11 and 51. WC might opt for local talent.
Just means they push one of the other top 15 picks to us.
Sinn, Johnson, Draper, Wanganeen, Andrew, Sonsie....
All could be better than Goater.
WC not interested in JVR?
Give up three consecutive picks in the second round for a mid first and a third? Hmm, I wouldn’t do that ever. Not given the commentary around the evenness of picks up to 30. Just my opinion
And who on earth would want to give them any assistance whatsoever!!! Let them suffer
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Well, what we think matters little and the List Management team will, and always will, be the ones making the decision. If they decide to go that way it won’t get an argument from me, and likewise if they happen to do the opposite.
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It would be impossible do it worse. Maybe they should have hired some people that actually watched footy.Incredible.
And we traded our first pick for a 27-year-old Stafford (could have had James Kelly, Stevie J, LRT or Brown), used 33 on Rodan (Mitchell, Montagna) traded our third for a 31-year-old Hudson (Swan, Schneider, Medhurst) and used fourth-round picks on Houlihan and redrafting Hyde when Lake was on the board. Completed the draft with Marty McGrath at 77 and Aaron James at 83.
Geniuses running the club at the time.
It’s hard to imagination a club ever getting it so wrong.
You could have gone into draft day thinking of destroying the club, deliberately making bad picks, and likely would have still done better.
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Yes…loads of players were going to be bonafide superstars …. but due to injury, confidence or mis-reading their ability it never eventuated. The main top-4 picks in my memory who were ‘guaranteed’ superstars (there are some very good players here, but not worth 2-3 x premium picks) that didn’t pan out:
Gibbs
Kreuzer
Scully
Boyd
I’d even be a little concerned about Rowell. Rowell was touted as the next Joel Selwood, and after 3 x BOG’s in his first 4 games they were counting how many Brownlows he’d win. Then 2 x serious injuries and he really struggled in his 10-games back… he looked slow.
I’m not saying he won’t get back to being a gun … fingers crossed he does. But it goes to show no matter how ‘safe’ a bet some players seem to be prior to the draft to be a locked and loaded star, lots of things can happen to upset those predictions.
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That depends how badly we want another 1st round pick to target someone like Goater who will likely go between our 1st and 2nd picks. Got nothing to do with helping them.
Do we want the most picks in the top 30 or do we want the most picks in the 1st round.
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Given how keen we were for pick 27 I would guess that means we see the top 30 as a gold mine. If we can get that deal for a player we reckon is A grade then go for it. But otherwise we look like going the portfolio of choice route. Pick a heap of quality and develop them hoping for 1 or 2 A graders.
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