Universal Love Welcome to Richmond Adem Yze

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

Game plan is dire as they come.

1. Kick in short
2. Long kick down the line
3 ???
4. Profit

Best case we get a boundary throw in on the wing. More likely case is an intercept mark or opposition sharks it at ground level.

Most boring football to watch. Rather get pumped by 90 points every game and show some dash and dare than this absolute tripe.

It’s nothing like what was described during the pre season, turns out it’s just a more horrible Melbourne brand of football with lesser skilled players and even more dreadful big men



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[Meteoric Rise]

100% this combined with a preoccupation with utilising the boundary line, being as conservative as possible, and a reluctance to handball. The only plan 'b' I've seen is that we do like to switch the play from one side to another after winning a turnover on the half-back line.

I 100% respect that Adem has a lot of challenges (i.e. transitioning a post-dynasty list, an unbelievable amount of injuries, and being a first-year coach), but the game plan is awful and outdated. I honestly am not judging Adem on wins and losses, and I fully support giving him a lot more time, but I am not encouraged by the way we are playing. I’m truly hoping that this is just phase one out of a larger tactical plan that will be employed in later years.

Any game plan the team could have employed this year would have looked terrible with all the instability. You see it all the time, our player gets a mark 80m from goal, looks up, delivers to position x, but the receiving player has run to position y. That is just time playing together needed to fix that.

 

[Nostradumbass]

we shouldve got buckely

gets sucked off by the umps and media

Going to port

 

[db26]

Very simple he said it yesterday in his press conference to many skills and turnovers is killing us from a certain group of players. Can't execute the basics of footy game plan suffers.

 

[El Duderino]

When he came in he made some big moves:
Baker, our best defensive BP went to midfield.
Bolton our quickest midfielder went forward.
An aging Dusty went from predominantly forward to midfield.
Why?! We had already tried and tested this. I was hoping he would just try this for a few weeks before he realized the error of his ways and then put them back in their best positions. But no, he continues to persist with this dumb shit.

 

[Groupie_]

When he came in he made some big moves:
Baker, our best defensive BP went to midfield.
Bolton our quickest midfielder went forward.
An aging Dusty went from predominantly forward to midfield.
Why?! We had already tried and tested this. I was hoping he would just try this for a few weeks before he realized the error of his ways and then put them back in their best positions. But no, he continues to persist with this dumb shit.

cos hes got no clue

 

[Groupie_]

why did caracella not ever wanna be a senior coach ?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

why did caracella not ever wanna be a senior coach ?

Go look at where the druggie reserves are on the vfl ladder and you have your answer.

 

[Groupie_]

Go look at where the druggie reserves are on the vfl ladder and you have your answer.

shite club

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

we shouldve got buckely

gets sucked off by the umps and media

Wasnt a premiership player


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[Groupie_]

Wasnt a premiership player


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yze is is he

 

[A Tiger 4 lyf]

yze is is he

No


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[Cleansweep17]

When he came in he made some big moves:
Baker, our best defensive BP went to midfield.
Bolton our quickest midfielder went forward.
An aging Dusty went from predominantly forward to midfield.
Why?! We had already tried and tested this. I was hoping he would just try this for a few weeks before he realized the error of his ways and then put them back in their best positions. But no, he continues to persist with this dumb shit.

I like Dusty mid personally he’s statistically out best inside 50 kick. He seems invisible when he’s permanently forward.

But yeah the rest is dumb.

 

[Tiges1229]

cos hes got no clue

Give him next year without injuries but I don’t hold high hopes though , the camel idea was ****ing stupid to . I wanted figjam but everyone was hysterical because he was affiliated at one time with Copywood

 

[sante]

At the end of the day, the same people complaining about Yze were the same people complaining about a 3 time premiership coach.

 

[Tiger71]

We have no gameplan.

We have no system to move the ball

We have no system in how/where to kick inside 50

We have no system to force turnover

We have no defensive system


What has hurt us as much as the injuries is that the support coaches like Rutten and Teague had contracts that we decided not to pay out, so essentially Adem moves into Hardwicks bed and had no ability to make his own bed with his own coaches.

This off season will be huge. If we dont allow Adem to higher his own coaches to instruct the list his way completely we will be ****ed.

The good, it is fixable and all Adem needs to show me next year, with a full preseason with his coaches is his method and if it stacks up. if it does not, I will be happy to allow him time to readjust to see if he is a senior coach.

Alot of the blame for this mess, outside of injury should be on the admin of the club that allowed this scenario to happen. Allowed the off season from hell to be done, that broke half our list, allowed Rutten and Teague to be allowed to much of a say in how things should be done and Adem being to polite to push back and do it his way.

I guess selling bricks was more important.


Just my random thoughts

 

[shaky]

100% this combined with a preoccupation with utilising the boundary line, being as conservative as possible, and a reluctance to handball. The only plan 'b' I've seen is that we do like to switch the play from one side to another after winning a turnover on the half-back line.

I 100% respect that Adem has a lot of challenges (i.e. transitioning a post-dynasty list, an unbelievable amount of injuries, and being a first-year coach), but the game plan is awful and outdated. I honestly am not judging Adem on wins and losses, and I fully support giving him a lot more time, but I am not encouraged by the way we are playing. I’m truly hoping that this is just phase one out of a larger tactical plan that will be employed in later years.

But is it the game plan?
I'm not sure, but I can understand with the lack of continuity and the players confidence shot that they may be going into their shell a bit, not taking the game on and sticking to the game plan.
Yze is also learning about the team and may change things, but that never easy mid season and would be particularly hard to do with a young group of players (and a few dumb senior players!!)
We need to just relax a bit, this season is what it is. Get some new young talent in, see what other list changes are made and see what Yze does next year with another preseason and hopefully a better run of injuries

 

[TigerImposter]

We have no gameplan.

We have no system to move the ball

We have no system in how/where to kick inside 50

We have no system to force turnover

We have no defensive system


What has hurt us as much as the injuries is that the support coaches like Rutten and Teague had contracts that we decided not to pay out, so essentially Adem moves into Hardwicks bed and had no ability to make his own bed with his own coaches.

This off season will be huge. If we dont allow Adem to higher his own coaches to instruct the list his way completely we will be ****ed.

The good, it is fixable and all Adem needs to show me next year, with a full preseason with his coaches is his method and if it stacks up. if it does not, I will be happy to allow him time to readjust to see if he is a senior coach.

Alot of the blame for this mess, outside of injury should be on the admin of the club that allowed this scenario to happen. Allowed the off season from hell to be done, that broke half our list, allowed Rutten and Teague to be allowed to much of a say in how things should be done and Adem being to polite to push back and do it his way.

I guess selling bricks was more important.


Just my random thoughts

Well said and it’s great that people can see some of the issues that have crept into club. I mentioned from day one that he needed a clean sheet of assistants and got laughed at as usual. I really think Yze as you say has been controlled by Teague and Rutten and not been able to naturally evolve as a coach, but until they are gone we still maybe wrong.

 

[tiger_tough]

are rutten and teague out of contract this year

 

[RJK Tiger]

If Dimma is sacked in 2020, he has his contract still to complete doesn't he?

He could of gone down the path of unfair dismissal as well so industrially that opens a can of worms for the club.

I'd be stunned if in his contract there wasn't a clause around professional behaviour, standards etc. You cannot pay a guy $1m a year to lead a bunch of elite young men & have him sleeping with the younger marketing girl on work trips while he is still taking his wife out to company banquets a few months earlier. And if we had to buy him out then we should have been able to negotiation a favourable outcome considering the circumstances. Doubt he would have wanted a messy break up in both his work & private life being played out in the media for all to pick through.

If he took the club for unfair dismissal than whatever - proves more he needed to go. Not how a strong leader takes accountability for their own actions.

 

[RJK Tiger]

are rutten and teague out of contract this year

I dunno, but they will certainly be out of a job

 

[RJK Tiger]

Just read this page full of posts and the general tenor of those posts is overly harsh at best, for the following reasons:

1. Any coach coming to a faltering club that has been on one track for years and given the imprimatur to invoke change cannot be fairly judged on their first half season, longer if they don't get a chance to field a stable team in that time.

2. Yze has walked into a perfect storm for a coach. Off field changes galore at the club, unfair umpiring, unprecedented injury & stability issues. That is basically all he has known.

3. If we are looking to judge him based on what has happened so far then judge him on the team's performance in matches before the fair chance to compete was removed.....

Rd 0 Give him a mulligan for his first game in charge interstate away v a coach who knows us inside out with no Lynch, no Martin. Lost by 5.9 to the Suns.

Rd 1 We were probably beating Carlton until injuries took their toll late and we lost by 5 points with a -7 free kick differential that appeared to involve some significant bias towards Carlton. Carlton are currently 2nd Premiership favourite.

Rd 2 Beaten by 5.0 by Port at the MCG but a punishing 10 free kick deficit and key midfielder Hopper missing v a Port team not miles off full strength.

Rd 3 Beat current hot Premiership favourite by 0.5 as Lynch in particular came back to his best. Martin and Hopper missed. 2 savage injuries late to Lynch Balta and Baker gets suspended.

Later, in Rd 13 we got a game against Adelaide where they had significant outs in Walker, Milera, Rankine, Murray, Crouch, Thilthorpe and probably some others, so they were vulnerable and Richmond cashed that under Yze, comfortably, despite our own travails.

Those are the only realistic chances Yze has had to compete on any sort of level terms with the opponent, and with fair umpiring he comes out of that 3-2 v a strong group of opponents, including beating both the flag favourite and second favourite.

The coach cannot control unfair umpiring or injuries. The former has cost him by my calculations on average around 9 points per game on the scoreboard, and the latter has decimated any chance he had of fielding near full strength teams or even stable teams well below full strength. The most troubled areas by injuries have been our midfield and forward line. But let's just have a look at who has played forward for us outside our best 7 forwards:

Best 7 forwards:

Balta Lynch Lefau(who had never played with any of his team-mates to any real extent before this season)
Martin Bolton Graham Rioli Jnr

Who else has played there:

12 matches Campbell - 19yo in first real season. No previous experience playing with the team.

11 games Mansell - is probably the only player of all these who has had time to settle into his role, and consequently is very close to being in the best 7 forwards if he is not already.

9 games Sonsie - Very limited experience both in the team and forward line. We suspect he will be more a mid than a forward as he settles into his career.

5 matches Koschitzke - for reasons that could not be pinned on Yze, he has not been good enough. He had no previous experience playing in our team.

5 matches Cumberland - played out of necessity, sub 20 gamer with very limited experience playing with most of the other forwards he has played with. Every chance of being delisted.

3 matches - Ryan, limited experience in the team & even less in the role.

3 matches(2 mainly in the forward line) - 31yo Naismith, no previous experience in this team

2 matches Green - 19yo debutante no previous experience in this team

1 Match Coulthard - not near his best handful of games prior experience in the team's forward line but none with the players he actually played with.

1 Clarke - Another who was played when not near his best due to necessity, limited AFL experience, almost none with the forward line he actually played with.

Dusty, Lynch have clearly played games way below their best for physical reasons, out of necessity. Others to be tried forward: Baker, Pickett. 19 players have played matches in our forward line. There were years we would have got this deep into the season that figure would be closer to about 10 players.

So on average there have been at least 4 forwards there each week who would and should not be playing there in a near full strength team, and even the players who have played have not been able to get continuity with each other due to injuries. This is in a sport that relies on teamwork as much as any sport does. So familiarity with team-mates around you is hugely beneficial.

That is just the forward line, the midfield is at least as ugly, and even more important to the team's fortunes.

It has got so comically bad the club would simply be saying to Yze let's make the best of this, blood youngsters, learn for the future and make sure we get a very high draft pick.

No supporter can even begin to make fair judgements of Yze at this point. In fact if you go by the small sample of games where he had any realistic chance of competing, he comes out of that very decently.

It appears we may have a new nomination for the Noble Prize for Literature.

**** dude, that shit was even too long for me

 

[RJK Tiger]

But still blame the coaching staff is pathetic. Not even the best coaches would have as much better. End of the season changes will happen to the playing group, fitness and medical staff. As I noted you wanted Dimma sacked as well like for like

Perhaps.

But by default of your own words, you are saying that he is not one of the "Best Coaches".

Don't we want "Elite" coaches? I don't think anyone is stating to sack him. I'm certainly not. I would ride his contract (still don't know the length of ?), UNLESS one of these fabled "Best Coaches" became available. If one did come available and he was still tracking the same we see right now? I would likely make the brutal call and move on from him to get the guy we want

 

[Lacustrus]

I'd be stunned if in his contract there wasn't a clause around professional behaviour, standards etc. You cannot pay a guy $1m a year to lead a bunch of elite young men & have him sleeping with the younger marketing girl on work trips while he is still taking his wife out to company banquets a few months earlier. And if we had to buy him out then we should have been able to negotiation a favourable outcome considering the circumstances. Doubt he would have wanted a messy break up in both his work & private life being played out in the media for all to pick through.

If he took the club for unfair dismissal than whatever - proves more he needed to go. Not how a strong leader takes accountability for their own actions.

Oh god, here goes the puritan amongst us again…

 

[RJK Tiger]

Oh god, here goes the puritan amongst us again…

Whatever, rather be that than a shit bloke. And Dimma was that.

Its life mate, get over it. Sometimes the best blowjobs you ever get come from the biggest bitch in the room. When those cases happen, just lay back and enjoy the ride - but don't fool yourself into marrying her for life.