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-Sub-10 win seasons:


Hawthorn in the AFL era have 8, 7, 7, 5, 9, 9, 5, 4, 8, 8 and 7 win seasons (11 total).

Geelong have 9, 9, 7 and 8 win seasons (4 total)


-Top 4 finishes:


Hawthorn in the AFL era have 10.

Geelong have 20.


Hawthorn have been more successful due to the extra flag. But they've also obviously had better picks along the way. They're the slingshot team. Geelong the ever-presents. Both models can work.


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