Why hasn't an AFL team tried doing Rugby Line-outs?

[Pegasaur]

If it was legal we would have seen it from the Ross Lyon/Paul Roos rugby crew by now

Nice one Brah.

 

[NinjaBear]

How high could we get with 18 players?

 

[The Dodger]

Because were NOT turning into bloody netball...........................................

WTF? Did they get away with that?
As surely that puts a stop to anyone ever scoring again in Netball again?

 

[KissKiss]

WTF? Did they get away with that?
As surely that puts a stop to anyone ever scoring again in Netball again?

Nope still within the rules. Just most players aren't good/strong enough to do it with the right timing. The whole 3 feet thing makes it tough to pull off too.

Although I think as soon as they get a female tall enough (Manute Bol?) netball will be broken as there is no goal tending rules

 

[calaisking]

If it was legal we would have seen it from the Ross Lyon/Paul Roos rugby crew by now

We may inject it to our game plan next week

 

[FrancisX]

WTF is going on in that game? Looks like such a mess

Oh the good old days when evreything was perfect blah blah blah

 

[Julie_L]

Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you will) but I believe it's also illegal in Rugby Union to LIFT a player.

The player jumps and is then held up by his shorts by other players. Maybe AFL shorts are too stretchy for this, as the Rugby Union shorts always were only cotton.

 

[keepzitreal]

always thought a great idea to see would be all the players get in a circle (like they do when they sing the song), only really tight, one guy in the middle with the ball. Run the whole field from a kickout.

Other option would be have players do the same thing and kick to the guy in the middle in the forward line. Probably illegal shepherd though.

Other one is, rather than bounce it, why not handball to yourself?

 

[KissKiss]

always thought a great idea to see would be all the players get in a circle (like they do when they sing the song), only really tight, one guy in the middle with the ball. Run the whole field from a kickout.

Other option would be have players do the same thing and kick to the guy in the middle in the forward line. Probably illegal shepherd though.

Other one is, rather than bounce it, why not handball to yourself?

I really would like to see them try this. Are there any rules that stop you?

 

[estibador]

always thought a great idea to see would be all the players get in a circle (like they do when they sing the song), only really tight, one guy in the middle with the ball. Run the whole field from a kickout.

That would be a pretty slow moving group. More like walking the ball up the field.

 

[KissKiss]

Even then it would still be effective

 

[hcd199]

always thought a great idea to see would be all the players get in a circle (like they do when they sing the song), only really tight, one guy in the middle with the ball. Run the whole field from a kickout.

Other option would be have players do the same thing and kick to the guy in the middle in the forward line. Probably illegal shepherd though.

Other one is, rather than bounce it, why not handball to yourself?

I'm fairly sure if you handball to yourself on the full (i.e., without the ball bouncing on the ground), then you're deemed to have been in continuous possession of the ball, so it can't substitute for a bounce (or a cheap way to get out of prior opportunity in a tackle, or anything else like that). Logistics of the circle tactic are hard to fathom (given that players can follow their man through the mark/protected area, how does the opportunity arise to form the circle without the opposition getting near?), but I can't think of a rule that would prohibit it specifically (the circle would need to be less than 5m in radius, though, so that all shepherding was legitimate).

 

[Modified Dog]

Because were NOT turning into bloody netball...........................................

@ 10:50, Bill Burr and American radio show hosts watch & discuss the netball…

(It's not champagne comedy or anything, but I thought it was funny to hear some Yanks laughing and bagging the shit out of netball. Don't judge Bill Burr by this clip. He is one of the funniest comedians I've ever heard. Check out some of his full stand-up routines)

 

[Chunderboy]

always thought a great idea to see would be all the players get in a circle (like they do when they sing the song), only really tight, one guy in the middle with the ball. Run the whole field from a kickout.

Other option would be have players do the same thing and kick to the guy in the middle in the forward line. Probably illegal shepherd though.

Other one is, rather than bounce it, why not handball to yourself?

Nic Nat handballed to himself when he kicked "point of the year" and wasn't pulled up for it, so it may be allowed. Or the umpire was caught up in the moment.

You couldn't do it as an alternative to bouncing I don't think. But maybe to pass a player, or just if stuck surrounded by opponents handball it straight up and jam the poor bloke game to catch it.

Another thing I'm surprised we don't see more of, is players punching the ball into an opponents foot as it goes out. Picture this, you're chasing a ball before it goes out of bounds, and you realise you don't want to pick it up because you have a player hot on your heels, so just tap it back onto his foot and hope it goes out on the full. Even if you have enough time to take possession but not really do much with it, handball at his feet and have him kick it out.

 

[melbournemartin]

A Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player or a Team where
the field Umpire is of the opinion that:
(c) a Player has lifted a Player or climbed on the shoulders
of a Player from the same Team. This Free Kick shall
be taken by a Player from the opposing Team where
the infringement occurred or where the football is at
the time of the infringement, whichever is the greater
penalty against the offending Team;

 

[melbournemartin]

Why aren't obese people hired by NHL clubs as goalies? Nobody would be able to score on them.

 

[beert]

Mike Pyke addresses this in a blog on the Swans site. It is illegal because it is dangerous in the AFL context. In union, players are not allowed to cross the line-out, so there is less danger to the man in the air.

The rule in rugby *used* to be that you couldn't lift, only support the player, but this was a farce so they changed it to unrestricted lifting (about 20 years back, I think).

 

[Andrew Mc]

Mike Pyke addresses this in a blog on the Swans site. It is illegal because it is dangerous in the AFL context. In union, players are not allowed to cross the line-out, so there is less danger to the man in the air.

The rule in rugby *used* to be that you couldn't lift, only support the player, but this was a farce so they changed it to unrestricted lifting (about 20 years back, I think).

Not quite unrestricted, but I get what you mean:

"Lifting and supporting. Players may assist a team-mate in jumping for the ball by lifting and supporting that player providing that the lifting and/or supporting players do not support the jumping team-mate below the shorts from behind or below the thighs from the front."

Also, it can only be done in a lineout, and only after the ball has been thrown.

As you say though, the players that are lifted are protected, as you can't tackle someone in the air.

 

[Carlo]

If it weren't for this, imagine all those shots for goal after quarter sirens and the opposition just stack their players on top of each other in the goal square.

The siren has gone can they pay the free kick??

 

[Niximus]

A Free Kick shall be awarded against a Player or a Team where
the field Umpire is of the opinion that:
(c) a Player has lifted a Player or climbed on the shoulders
of a Player from the same Team. This Free Kick shall
be taken by a Player from the opposing Team where
the infringement occurred or where the football is at
the time of the infringement, whichever is the greater
penalty against the offending Team;

Have never seen this one paid despite many occasions where a player has taken a grab over a pack where the guy at the back happens to be a team mate.

e.g.

 

[hcd199]

The siren has gone can they pay the free kick??

Because there's still a shot being had, play is still in progress, so yes, free kicks still apply (otherwise players could, for instance, freely cross the mark after the siren).

 

[KissKiss]

Because there's still a shot being had, play is still in progress, so yes, free kicks still apply (otherwise players could, for instance, freely cross the mark after the siren).

So it would be a 50 and move it into the goal square. But after that they could still stack up as their couldnt be any further punishment could there?

 

[hcd199]

So it would be a 50 and move it into the goal square. But after that they could still stack up as their couldnt be any further punishment could there?

Would be no different to any other in-game situation - my guess is that the umpire would direct them to climb down, warn them that they face report if they don't, &c.: the same sort of process they go through if a player refuses to leave the field whilst actively bleeding, which can eventually culminate in forfeiture of the match if the players continually refuse to obey the umpire's directions.

 

[Stefan_Carey]

So it would be a 50 and move it into the goal square. But after that they could still stack up as their couldnt be any further punishment could there?

This is a very fair point but after the free kick was moved into the square how much time do you reckon the player kicking the goal will give the opposition defence to set up a pyramid? I guess you could have a 9 people manning the initial mark and 9 setting up on the goal square for when the 50 is called.

 

[KissKiss]

Would be no different to any other in-game situation - my guess is that the umpire would direct them to climb down, warn them that they face report if they don't, &c.: the same sort of process they go through if a player refuses to leave the field whilst actively bleeding, which can eventually culminate in forfeiture of the match if the players continually refuse to obey the umpire's directions.

Ah I wasnt really sure what they could do. Without a send off rule I wasn't really sure what they could do once someone was reported