Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today.... part 2

[Chief]

Reminder: This isn't the Israel/Hamas thread. Go to the Israel/Hamas thread if you want to talk about that. Thanks.

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

Part I: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack.1371828/page-47#post-81443295 Thread Rules: Alright. I recognise that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have...

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Thread rules update:

From this point if you're going to make a connection between Islam and the crime rate, you need to demonstrate causation in your post. If you do not, I'm going to infract you for the inherent racism in the position you're taking.

 

[10571z]

You'll argue for pages that we need to stop immigration from Middle Eastern countries, because of their religion.
Then you'll use misinformation about CSE in the UK to support your anti-immigration position.

Then when it's repeatedly shown to you that Muslims, Asians etc are a minority when it comes to CSE in the UK in comparison to 'white' people. You move on to "arrests per 1000"...

You don't care about the victims. You don't care about CSE. You're purely trying to use this as a weapon against races that you believe are subhuman.

There is no foundation for your beliefs or positions.
It's all held up by other pieces of misinformation. One lie supports the next lie that supports the next life until eventually it supports the initial lie.

Where have a I used misinformation about CSE?

 

[CM86]

The image in the blue circle is how you form a foundational argument. It's the only way you should have a position on something.

You don't have any foundation for your position, it's just a cycle of misinformation.

 

[CM86]

Um, no I’m not presenting that at all. If I was doing it as a total it would look a lot better for them compared to total per thousand.

The top of the graphic literally says “per thousand”

My graph was the number of arrests…

 

[10571z]

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oh sorry did you want me to stipulate per thousand apologies. I thought that was pretty obvious

 

[CM86]

oh sorry did you want me to stipulate per thousand apologies. I thought that was pretty obvious

Ignorance and apathy. It's literally all that you and people like you have, in order to maintain your positions.

 

[sr36]

Because they posted it in response to disproving my graph which was of a seperate issue View attachment 2199595

My graph was the number of arrests…

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Would you prefer this one.

Statistics on Ethnicity and the Criminal Justice System, 2022 (HTML)

www.gov.uk

The category "Asian" in the UK means Indian subcontinent - so includes those dastardly Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Afghans and the more acceptable Indians and Sri Lankans. The only category that Asians over-represented in is being stopped and searched by the police ... they're under-represented in arrests, convictions, etc ..

Now, your data is looking at foreign nationals committing crimes in the UK - not ethnicity - not British Muslims or British Indians. If your data is true, combined with the ethnicity data, doesn't it suggest that permanent migration into a culture alters things enormously and thus suggest your carry on about the great threat of permananet muslim migration is nothing to worry about in terms of crime?

 

[peetoo]

I should have been clearer. I meant current levels of migrants. Not current immigration levels. With the current trajectory of migrants and future Islamic immigration driven by conflict in the Middle East and our liberal immigration policy we are only decades away (if that) from UK style societal decay.

Australia one of the tightest immigration processes in the world. I don’t think liberal really describes it.

Bipartisanship seems to have been lost among the way though. Selfish politicians lazy easier than developing sound policy

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The funny thing about this post is that you've made the claim multiple times in this thread that police action/inaction was motivated by race.

Yes exactly. Police are far less likely to prosecute and enforce against minorities. People try to argue the opposite based on statistics of higher incarceration rates than population percentage however that is the antithesis of the issue as the offending rate is often higher even than the incarceration rate. So any argument that police are "targeting" minorities is laughable. You all see this on the streets, how much rope is given - because they know that if they get them to the courts there will be a public defender wheeling out culture or family as a mitigating factor and they'll get a light sentence, so police know they'll be out on the street again soon. But if you or I committed a crime, the book would be thrown at us. No mitigating factors for us.

The position is the same in the UK, with numerous examples of individuals with clear stories of how police ignored their calls for help out of fear of racism, not "understanding" the culture or pure negligence.

Anyone who argues that police overtly target minorities is hilariously misinformed.

 

[CM86]

Police are far less likely to prosecute and enforce against minorities.

Can you please show some sort of evidence to support this claim?

 

[Gethelred]

Alright, I think we've humoured this particular spate of hate enough.

From this point if you're going to make a connection between Islam and the crime rate, you need to demonstrate causation in your post. If you do not, I'm going to infract you for the inherent racism in the position you're taking.

This thread is not the place to take out your criticism of western migration policies, nor is it a thread to argue a genetic predisposition towards crime; unless you can prove a causational relationship between specifically Islam and violent crime - not muslims, not pakistanis, not turkish or iranians; islam the religion - perhaps reconsider the firmness of your position.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

CM86 your comprehension skills are awful. I can understand 10571z's point clearly, and i could understand CM86s misinterpretation of it clearly.

Jeeze people learn how to read before acting all high and mighty.

 

[sr36]

Yes exactly. Police are far less likely to prosecute and enforce against minorities. People try to argue the opposite based on statistics of higher incarceration rates than population percentage however that is the antithesis of the issue as the offending rate is often higher even than the incarceration rate. So any argument that police are "targeting" minorities is laughable. You all see this on the streets, how much rope is given - because they know that if they get them to the courts there will be a public defender wheeling out culture or family as a mitigating factor and they'll get a light sentence, so police know they'll be out on the street again soon. But if you or I committed a crime, the book would be thrown at us. No mitigating factors for us.

The position is the same in the UK, with numerous examples of individuals with clear stories of how police ignored their calls for help out of fear of racism, not "understanding" the culture or pure negligence.

Anyone who argues that police overtly target minorities is hilariously misinformed.

Where do higher stop and search rates for Asians in the UK despite lower crime rates sit with this theory that you're pushing as an indisputable fact?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Oh great.
Please explain it, clearly.

He was discussing crime rates generally. You thought he was discussing CSE rates only (a discussion you and I were having not you and he).

You started accusing him of not understanding his own position (based on your misinterpretation of the context of his post).

 

[sr36]

He was discussing crime rates generally. You thought he was discussing CSE rates only (a discussion you and I were having not you and he).

You started accusing him of not understanding his own position (based on your misinterpretation of the context of his post).

The discussion includes more than one post from you and #1057 asserting higher rates of child sexual exploitation within the UK from non-whites. Are you going to address the data that says otherwise or just say - no we're now talking about different types of crimes - which I've posted more data to show are below proportionality amongst UK Asians - despite UK Asians being about 40% more likely to be stopped and searched by the police ...

 

[JackOutback]

The funny thing about this post is that you've made the claim multiple times in this thread that police action/inaction was motivated by race.

A quick Google search will easily point him to plenty of studies demonstrating racial bias in policing. It’s established fact, not a conspiracy theory. His claim that anyone who might believe there is racial profiling in police are of below average intelligence is Dunning-Kruger in full effect.

 

[sr36]

Here's the country of birth for foreign born Australian residents:

Australia: foreign born population by country of birth 2023 | Statista

Migrants from the United Kingdom have long been Australia’s primary immigrant group and in 2023 there were roughly 960 thousand English-born people living in Australia.

www.statista.com

There is one predominately Islamic country in the top 10 - Malaysia - however, only 6% of Malaysian born Australian residents are Islamic ...

The Islamification of Australia is a crisis - I tell you.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I can understand 10571z's point clearly

Thats because you are both using the same right wing troll template.

 

[10571z]

Here's the country of birth for foreign born Australian residents:

Australia: foreign born population by country of birth 2023 | Statista

Migrants from the United Kingdom have long been Australia’s primary immigrant group and in 2023 there were roughly 960 thousand English-born people living in Australia.

www.statista.com

There is one predominately Islamic country in the top 10 - Malaysia - however, only 6% of Malaysian born Australian residents are Islamic ...

The Islamification of Australia is a crisis - I tell you.

I don’t think it’s a crisis in Australia.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Here's the country of birth for foreign born Australian residents:

Australia: foreign born population by country of birth 2023 | Statista

Migrants from the United Kingdom have long been Australia’s primary immigrant group and in 2023 there were roughly 960 thousand English-born people living in Australia.

www.statista.com

There is one predominately Islamic country in the top 10 - Malaysia - however, only 6% of Malaysian born Australian residents are Islamic ...

The Islamification of Australia is a crisis - I tell you.

That graph is a pretty good reflection of our society, best country in the world!

I don’t think it’s a crisis in Australia.

So what's the problem then?