Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VII

[Lore]

We can't trade our first without bringing another first in.

 

[DapperJong]

Perhaps the Hawks fitness team can help Patton develop a forehead.

 

[FlyingV]

Perhaps the Hawks fitness team can help Patton develop a forehead.

Savage!

 

[Falcon27]

I will qualify this straight up by saying that this is purely fantasy, but if the suggested trades for Joe come to pass and we end up with 5, 9 + player, it may be worth while considering the something like the following:
- keep 5 and said player for this year. If Reid it may be just a short term stop gap measure. If its a midfielder such as Florent, maybe look to Jenkins as the short term KPF for a later pick
- as Dodoro does not rate this draft, look to trade pick 9 to GCS for their 1st next year, as they are keen to get some quality on their list now and the could potentially use it for Crouch from the Crows
Would prefer the midfield option from Swans in the short term, but this would also give us a better hand going into next years draft if Dodoro thinks it is stronger.

 

[Mercurial89]

It's a shame we're incapable of having a system in place to be able to trade like this.

Only a few teams in the AFL run this way and even in other sports people think it's some big mystery.
Build a plan but make it adaptable, add layers each year but keep your core pillars.
Define the roles in the team and go out and obtain players that fit into that system.
Don't over value draft picks.

That is the strategy at its core.

The amount of shit I read about Hawks on here that the cliff is approaching and they are going to wallow at the bottom rebuilding. If people havnt been paying attention this is their cliff, this is their version of falling off the cliff, just missing the 8 and they are already on the way back up.

 

[Stopher]

Hopefully Joe can see that Sydney clearly rate their precious academy picks and Papley above him, as those seem to be the priorities over any deal looking close to being done.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

So we're going for BBB this year instead of the SSS?

BBC

 

[Snake Charmer]

Cutler could be viewed as a mature age draftee - if we can get him for a similar pick that the hawks gave up for Patton. Are there many better players running around in state leagues that still have a small scope of development left? I doubt it.

 

[Howard Moon]

Freo to accept 10 and a future 2nd for Hill, after rejecting 6 and a future second

That's genius if I understand it correctly Walter...a swiss watch

 

[calyam]

Only a few teams in the AFL run this way and even in other sports people think it's some big mystery.
Build a plan but make it adaptable, add layers each year but keep your core pillars.
Define the roles in the team and go out and obtain players that fit into that system.
Don't over value draft picks.

That is the strategy at its core.

The amount of shit I read about Hawks on here that the cliff is approaching and they are going to wallow at the bottom rebuilding. If people havnt been paying attention this is their cliff, this is their version of falling off the cliff, just missing the 8 and they are already on the way back up.

Yep, it requires a unified vision between the coaching staff and list manager. A willingness to look for value, 'moneyball' if you will. And a willingness to use existing assets to obtain assets that fit better within your system.

Basically a whole bunch of things that Essendon hasn't done in decades.

 

[Cup_o_Jobe]

Frampton for a future 4th seems a steal for the Crows. That type of player a rare commodity in current market.

 

[Falcon27]

Freo to accept 10 and a future 2nd for Hill, after rejecting 6 and a future second

That's genius if I understand it correctly Walter...a swiss watch

Not sure what i missed, but how did the Saints end up with Pick 10?

 

[Loonerty]

Not sure what i missed, but how did the Saints end up with Pick 10?

Part of the Ryder/Howard trade

 

[faible]

Saints doing nicely so far:

Out: 6 + 59 + Future 3rd
In: Howard + Ryder + 10 + Future 4th

Could end up as:

Out: 6 + 59 + Future 2nd + Future 3rd
In: Hill + Howard + Ryder + Future 4th

Solid business there if so.

 

[Gruffles]

I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, but that Saints/Port trade seems like an absolute steal for St Kilda!

 

[Mercurial89]

Yep, it requires a unified vision between the coaching staff and list manager. A willingness to look for value, 'moneyball' if you will. And a willingness to use existing assets to obtain assets that fit better within your system.

Basically a whole bunch of things that Essendon hasn't done in decades.

Let's try to avoid distorting the term Moneyball any further but yes I agree.

Teams are constantly chasing the wrong types of players I believe. They offer a big contract to a superstar and it destroys their cap and limits the team going forward.
I'm not against targetting a star but only as icing or missing piece, think Lynch for tigers. That signing won them their flag.
They could afford to do it as what makes them incredibly good is the role players they have.

It's why these systems rebound quickly too when there is a dropoff of the core group.
Much easier to find a draft gem or develop a player when things are simplified.
ROLE A requires someone fast, and a good kick. Well this kid is both of those things but the negative is this. That's ok Role A doesn't need him to be able to do that.

Meanwhile other clubs are out there looking for the fast, strong, good game sense, coachable, has leadership, certain height player and wonder why that player is hard to find.

Look at us. We are probably going to lose Joey. That type of talent being ripped out of our team destroys us as a threat in the immediate future. It ideally shouldnt if we were setup the correct way.

Where as a hawks are only a few pieces away. They are adding a key back, a ball winning midfielder/Brownlow medalist and a key forward to their team. None of those things cost much at all. No one made that big of a deal when Mitchell went there, no one made that much of a big deal about Patton and frost. They are minor trades.

Yet the big story will be Joe Daniher leaving. Our team will drop off, Sydney may be better but Danihers loss to us is not an equal gain for Swans and hawks will be better than us both.

In a couple of years time people will look back and go, how did that happen again?

 

[Zach Package]

I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, but that Saints/Port trade seems like an absolute steal for St Kilda!

It’s an interesting one.

The rest of the deals flying around mean that they’ve almost certainly overvalued Ryder and Howard but you have to get them in the door somehow.

I think Port have done very, very well, I wouldn’t have given anything inside the first 3 rounds for Ryder and would have been very hesitant to give one of our 2nd rounders to get Howard, they’ve essentially bundled both together and got a pick in the first round out of it.

 

[DapperJong]

I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, but that Saints/Port trade seems like an absolute steal for St Kilda!

Port are ****ing insane

 

[faible]

I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, but that Saints/Port trade seems like an absolute steal for St Kilda!

About the equivalent of Pick 15 for Ryder + Howard

(12 + 18 + ~45) vs (10 + ~68)

If you use their original GWS trade to get 12 + 18

6 + 59 + ~45 means about Pick 24 if I read this correctly

 

[faible]

About the equivalent of Pick 15 for Ryder + Howard

(12 + 18 + ~45) vs (10 + ~68)

If you use their original GWS trade to get 12 + 18

6 + 59 + ~45 means about Pick 24 if I read this correctly

If it's really 10 + Future 2nd (~25) for Hill we end up with STK giving up the equivalent of about Pick 2 for Hill, Howard, Ryder & ~68

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Anytime I read the term "Moneyball" I instantly read it in a Dwayne Russell "FIRESTARTER!" type of voice.

 

[Mootsy]

It’s just a shame we never got to see the real peak of Daniher at Essendon. Ahh well.

 

[Howard Moon]

It’s just a shame we never got to see the real peak of Daniher at Essendon. Ahh well.

Maybe we did

We'll always have Anzac Day....lest we forget

 

[ant555]

You can leave me out of Bonar.
I am with Loyd on him. His weakness is his spread and we are a side that can be piss poor at spreading from the contest when we are under the pump.

 

[Tyrone5]

I'm hoping Lewis Taylor will change his mind and sign with Gold Coast to join Hugh Greenwood and Stewart Dew.

 

[Beerfish]

You can leave me out of Bonar.
I am with Loyd on him. His weakness is his spread and we are a side that can be piss poor at spreading from the contest when we are under the pump.

But I much prefer you in Bonar ant.