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the tribunal has had severe inconsistencies forever - I think one of the major reasons the tribunal bleating bores me so much is its endless repetition and those that are claiming bias and cheating and incompetence are just the most recent in a long line of identicals:
big nick faints.......50 years ago:
50 years of MCG memories: The Crowe- Nicholls incident
In the fourth of a special richmondfc.com.au nostalgic series celebrating Richmond’s 50 years at home at the MCG, Tony Greenberg looks at the controversial Neville Crowe-John Nicholls incident during the 1967 second semi-final.
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the tribunal has had severe inconsistencies forever - I think one of the major reasons the tribunal bleating bores me so much is its endless repetition and those that are claiming bias and cheating and incompetence are just the most recent in a long line of identicals:
big nick faints.......50 years ago:
50 years of MCG memories: The Crowe- Nicholls incident
In the fourth of a special richmondfc.com.au nostalgic series celebrating Richmond’s 50 years at home at the MCG, Tony Greenberg looks at the controversial Neville Crowe-John Nicholls incident during the 1967 second semi-final.www.richmondfc.com.au
That Nicholls hit was just part of the reason I had a childhood full of Richmond hatred.
As you'd know Richmond old timers celebrate that hit as what won them the flag. Similar to Sheeds years later proudly proclaiming he had Hanna hit in 1993 as it meant we were ****ed.
I expect they'd only make public comment where either someone is cited or there has been media attention. No citation + no media attention = no need to say anything.
No doubt there's plenty about the MRO to criticise but I think this is one thing that actually does make sense. Otherwise you'd end up with an arbitrary list of 'no citation' events every week and they'd just end up creating more trouble for themselves.
Why then make any comment about Crippas tackle, just ignore the bullshit
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I feel it can be fixed if the AFL are willing to put in the hard work, time, money and a proper developed umpiring/MRP system .the tribunal has had severe inconsistencies forever - I think one of the major reasons the tribunal bleating bores me so much is its endless repetition and those that are claiming bias and cheating and incompetence are just the most recent in a long line of identicals:
big nick faints.......50 years ago:
50 years of MCG memories: The Crowe- Nicholls incident
In the fourth of a special richmondfc.com.au nostalgic series celebrating Richmond’s 50 years at home at the MCG, Tony Greenberg looks at the controversial Neville Crowe-John Nicholls incident during the 1967 second semi-final.
They need to scrap the current system and make umpiring a fulltime career and implement a rookie type program that those striving to make it will be given a chance to be exposed to expert fitness training/coaching/review systems/development courses that could lead to them having a career in umpiring at the highest level once they have earned their chance.
This will entice more people to join the umpiring fraternity with a career path forged by a professional system and even if they may not get to umpire at AFL level the program can be used to gain them alternate employment whilst still umpiring and their imparted knowledge/experience will be invaluable for the younger generation of umpires coming through thus leading to better standards of umpiring at all levels.
The MRP could then be adjourned by the best ex AFL umpires because they have garnered experience first hand on reportable incidents in real time whilst coming through the professionally developed program implemented and nurtured by the AFL.
With the TV rights making the AFL billions in revenue it's time they put the money into making the adjudicators of the game full time which will generate more consistent umpiring with better training on rule implementation and a review system to help them keep learning and growing with the game, MRP transparency and consistency leading to less unrest, better fan engagement and more respect towards the umpires from the highest level down to Auskick which can only be better for the game/society.
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Umpires should be full time for a start, lots more access to training and review that way.
Perhaps adding the 4th umpire would be a good idea too. I've come around to the idea that the workload is too much on these guys (and gals). Running as much, if not more, than most players do in a game but having to do it twice a weekend and still being expected to make sound decisions in an instant often with somewhat blocked views of the contest.
Having said that I saw a stat in the week that said this season is averaging more free kicks per game than in any season since the new Millennium. I'm not sure more free kicks is what people want and the main negative I have with adding a 4th is that that may lead to more FKs. Hopefully not but you'd think it would.
Perhaps adding the 4th umpire would be a good idea too. I've come around to the idea that the workload is too much on these guys (and gals). Running as much, if not more, than most players do in a game but having to do it twice a weekend and still being expected to make sound decisions in an instant often with somewhat blocked views of the contest.
Having said that I saw a stat in the week that said this season is averaging more free kicks per game than in any season since the new Millennium. I'm not sure more free kicks is what people want and the main negative I have with adding a 4th is that that may lead to more FKs. Hopefully not but you'd think it would.
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Umpiring is nowhere near as simplistic as some seem to believe, it's not a matter of simply throwing more money at the 'problem'
Constant rule changes and players seeking to manipulate the rules creates a significant grey area around what is reportable or even a free-kick.
I'm of the opinion that Umpires are often left to cop it for a lack of foresight by those further up the chain of command.
Constant rule changes and players seeking to manipulate the rules creates a significant grey area around what is reportable or even a free-kick.
I'm of the opinion that Umpires are often left to cop it for a lack of foresight by those further up the chain of command.
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The AFL wants people to respect umpires. How about the AFL respect umpires.
It really is simplistic if they have come through a professional program purely designed to assist and teach them how to implement the rules the AFL could run the changes they want to make to rules through this program and the umpires develop within the system.
My thoughts exactly if they want umpires to be respected then put the time and effort into making it a respectful career it would change the whole dynamic of umpiring from top to lower levels.
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I'm not opposed to more free kicks. What I'd like to see is a little more consistency within games, and the AFL seeking to address issues such as HTB, throws, and off ball incidents (gut punches, etc). And I don't think most of that is on the umpires. There's a couple that trigger me (and one of them is not 34). But on the whole, I think they do a good job given the part-time nature, together with 'rule of the week' from head office, plus pressure on interpretation, crowd abuse, and so many other things. Thanks, umps...
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Please outline your umpiring experience?
It's simple in theory alone, as noted, there are significant grey areas in place that simply making them full time employees doesn't remotely address.
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It's almost as if the governing body effectively undermining their responsibility at a whim does little for consistent interpretation & adjudication of rules.
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BTW, just looked at umpire website. I've always wondered why some feel a distance from the umpires, but I see their values (as listed in order from their website) are:
Respect
Integrity
Fairness
Trust
Respect
Integrity
Fairness
Trust
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don't stomp all over it, aph........
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Of course there are other things that need to be addressed to improve umpiring overall, but making it a full time profession is certainly a start.
The best part about making it a profession is that then it brings all sorts of administrative analysis along with it, including how to improve:
- The skill level
- Psychological factors
- Fitness standards
- Communication between the game's administration and umpiring administration
- Consistency of interpretation
- The level of respect fans have for umpires
- etc etc
Dunno what that my umpiring experience has to do with anything?
But my opinion is exactly as OldBlueFan has put it in their well put post.
Reasons behind initial Lewis Young suspension outlined
“I’m just so thankful that Cam Zurhaar didn’t put his head down at the wrong moment.”
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Is my following interpretation of what Scott said correct?Reasons behind initial Lewis Young suspension outlined
“I’m just so thankful that Cam Zurhaar didn’t put his head down at the wrong moment.”
1) We don't want bumping (touch footy please)
2) Whilst current rules about front on contact are written in such a way that Young shouldn't have been charged, we believe that because we don't want bumping, Young was charged and should have been suspended.
So many contradictions in that
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My question above is a genuine question. The only way I can make sense of what Scott is reported to have said, is what I have written, but sometimes I am miles off things. I'd be really happy if someone said I am miles off in regard to this...
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