Discussion Sam Fisher charged with drug trafficking

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And the percentage who stop when ice is a problem? Got to say it’s higher than alcohol unless the whole world is lying. Nothing even slightly funny about ice addiction


You see them around here and they look normal one day and 3 months later look like they've lost all their teeth and ready for death and in full psychosis. It's much worse than heroin which at least seems to be slower and makes them sleep. I've always been able to handle junkies but the ice heads are seriously dangerous, they threaten to kill you over nothing. One went nuts and wanted to stab me because he thought that I'd sprayed fly spray on him.....which I hadn't but would have liked to. Another guy was walking around without his pants on in the middle of the road trying to hail down cars the other day.
 
You see them around here and they look normal one day and 3 months later look like they've lost all their teeth and ready for death and in full psychosis. It's much worse than heroin which at least seems to be slower and makes them sleep. I've always been able to handle junkies but the ice heads are seriously dangerous, they threaten to kill you over nothing. One went nuts and wanted to stab me because he thought that I'd sprayed fly spray on him.....which I hadn't but would have liked to. Another guy was walking around without his pants on in the middle of the road trying to hail down cars the other day.
These are exactly the people who are spraying graffiti on Tim Wilson’s signs.
 
What's concerning about players doing drugs and the strikes policy ect is I know a current player pretty well and last year he said he was only tested once! Once!!

And with coke it can be flushed out of your system within 24 hours, just ask the boys who do FIFO and get piss tested nearly every cycle.

There's a current player on our list at the moment who we all like and want to take the next step who regularly gets on the nose beers.

The strike policy enabled the AFL to look like they have a hard stance on drugs but all it has really done is keep it hidden and out of the public.

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What's concerning about players doing drugs and the strikes policy ect is I know a current player pretty well and last year he said he was only tested once! Once!!

And with coke it can be flushed out of your system within 24 hours, just ask the boys who do FIFO and get piss tested nearly every cycle.

There's a current player on our list at the moment who we all like and want to take the next step who regularly gets on the nose beers.

The strike policy enabled the AFL to look like they have a hard stance on drugs but all it has really done is keep it hidden and out of the public.

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What's concerning about players doing drugs and the strikes policy ect is I know a current player pretty well and last year he said he was only tested once! Once!!

And with coke it can be flushed out of your system within 24 hours, just ask the boys who do FIFO and get piss tested nearly every cycle.

There's a current player on our list at the moment who we all like and want to take the next step who regularly gets on the nose beers.

The strike policy enabled the AFL to look like they have a hard stance on drugs but all it has really done is keep it hidden and out of the public.

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I still don’t understand why we even test for illegal drugs. It confuses me.
 
You see them around here and they look normal one day and 3 months later look like they've lost all their teeth and ready for death and in full psychosis. It's much worse than heroin which at least seems to be slower and makes them sleep. I've always been able to handle junkies but the ice heads are seriously dangerous, they threaten to kill you over nothing. One went nuts and wanted to stab me because he thought that I'd sprayed fly spray on him.....which I hadn't but would have liked to. Another guy was walking around without his pants on in the middle of the road trying to hail down cars the other day.

Urgh, that's depressing. What a world hey!? 😔
I'm on the decriminalise all drugs wagon. People have been getting loaded forever, and will always find a way, no matter how messed up. It's best to acknowledge the simple truths, rather than criminalise them...when power goes to the lowest denominator, you get the lowest quality of human toxicity. Meth is a product of low quality toxicity. Decriminalise it, provide better quality (in all facets of the drug, from production to culture, including quality of infrastructure surrounding the issue) and you'll nullify and sedate the toxic element. It's like mould in wet climates. You spray the commercial shite in it, and it feels it's under attack and comes back twice as virulent, strong and aggressive. Use a gentler method, and it remains at a tolerable level...it never goes away, but that's not the aim (just like drugs and prostitution) but it is far easier managed...and less likely to result in stab attacks and accusations of phantom fly spray.
 
It looks like the AFL probably got the Saints to take on Hanners wage as a way to get him away from Bud and take a hit off Sydney's salary cap so that shit didn't hit the fan up there. I wonder if we did some kind of shady deal with the AFL that means that they owe us a favour?
They have given us funding over and above Hanners salary.
 
Urgh, that's depressing. What a world hey!? 😔
I'm on the decriminalise all drugs wagon. People have been getting loaded forever, and will always find a way, no matter how messed up. It's best to acknowledge the simple truths, rather than criminalise them...when power goes to the lowest denominator, you get the lowest quality of human toxicity. Meth is a product of low quality toxicity. Decriminalise it, provide better quality (in all facets of the drug, from production to culture, including quality of infrastructure surrounding the issue) and you'll nullify and sedate the toxic element. It's like mould in wet climates. You spray the commercial shite in it, and it feels it's under attack and comes back twice as virulent, strong and aggressive. Use a gentler method, and it remains at a tolerable level...it never goes away, but that's not the aim (just like drugs and prostitution) but it is far easier managed...and less likely to result in stab attacks and accusations of phantom fly spray.
Good post, that's also my view. With legalisation you take drugs out of the hands of violent criminal gangs, which also means quality is assured. Users pay tax on their drugs which can be used to fund help for those wanting to get off them. I think the illegality, of doing something taboo, is a lure for youngsters, too, and that's when you get them hooked. Alcohol and cigarette manufacturers used to deliberately market towards children - get them hooked whilst young and you have them as customers for life.

Ultimately, people are always going to take drugs, just as they will always drink and smoke, though they know the risks. Adults can make their own decisions. I would rather drugs be legal and monitored, with well funded drug services to help those whose addiction gets the better of them, and well funded education about the risks. The police have a far easier job as a consequence, with violence and drug gangs removed.
 
Good post, that's also my view. With legalisation you take drugs out of the hands of violent criminal gangs, which also means quality is assured. Users pay tax on their drugs which can be used to fund help for those wanting to get off them. I think the illegality, of doing something taboo, is a lure for youngsters, too, and that's when you get them hooked. Alcohol and cigarette manufacturers used to deliberately market towards children - get them hooked whilst young and you have them as customers for life.

Ultimately, people are always going to take drugs, just as they will always drink and smoke, though they know the risks. Adults can make their own decisions. I would rather drugs be legal and monitored, with well funded drug services to help those whose addiction gets the better of them, and well funded education about the risks. The police have a far easier job as a consequence, with violence and drug gangs removed.
Absolutely agree...I was going to write about how it could all be funded, but didn't want to go on & on (especially with the Aussie election happening) but your points are spot on 👍👍
 
Well it sort of does.
Most people don't use ice.
The point is the war on drugs enables drug production and trafficking like this case to go on untaxed and unregulated. There is so much money to be made it's ridiculous. Sure it can be risky for the dumb ones, but you only hear about the ones that get caught.
 
Sam Fisher’s drug problem has been the worst kept secret in the AFL for 10 years.. but trafficking?! How sad!

Just got flashbacks to Watters cancelling Fishers end of season trip with Dusty.
Scott Watters got an awful lot of shit from St Kilda people, but I wonder where we'd be today if he hadn't helped to dismantle what had clearly become a pretty toxic culture when he came to the club.
 
You see them around here and they look normal one day and 3 months later look like they've lost all their teeth and ready for death and in full psychosis. It's much worse than heroin which at least seems to be slower and makes them sleep. I've always been able to handle junkies but the ice heads are seriously dangerous, they threaten to kill you over nothing. One went nuts and wanted to stab me because he thought that I'd sprayed fly spray on him.....which I hadn't but would have liked to. Another guy was walking around without his pants on in the middle of the road trying to hail down cars the other day.

My understanding is that Heroin is not very toxic at all. The danger is the impure way its produced and sold means that overdose and infection is common. A legally produced opiate with all the protections around legally produced and sold drugs would have very much less dangerous. Furthermore opiates unlike alcohol and amphetamines do not cause violent reactions while dosed.

But opiates are very addictive & people lying around opium dens do not do productive work. Therefore lower overall profits and taxes.
 

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My understanding is that Heroin is not very toxic at all. The danger is the impure way its produced and sold means that overdose and infection is common. A legally produced opiate with all the protections around legally produced and sold drugs would have very much less dangerous. Furthermore opiates unlike alcohol and amphetamines do not cause violent reactions while dosed.

But opiates are very addictive & people lying around opium dens do not do productive work. Therefore lower overall profits and taxes.


It's ruined and ended plenty of lives but doesn't have the psychosis issues. Ice is much more addictive than speed which was the old fashioned amphetamine here. Heroin kills through uneven strength I think.
 
It's ruined and ended plenty of lives but doesn't have the psychosis issues. Ice is much more addictive than speed which was the old fashioned amphetamine here. Heroin kills through uneven strength I think.

Heroin is pretty safe if taken in pure form and the right dose. But very very addictive.
You really don't get addicted to cigarettes after smoking 2 packets or beer after a couple of nights in the pub.
I've heard people who suggested that H should be administered to people near the end of their lives.

Heavy speed use can cause all sorts of long term damage to the cardiovascular system.

MDMA effects are not fully understood. A range of physical and phycological conditions , as well as DNA damage.
MDMA was not really widely available in Australia, because its hard to make if you a stupid druggie/biker , so people in Australia asking for E , tended to get meth in their pills, which eventually lead to the Ice problem.

Not sure, as a government that decriminalizes this stuff, how you you ignore the more serious health effects?
Do you put stuff on the packets like they do with cigarettes?
 
Heroin is pretty safe if taken in pure form and the right dose. But very very addictive.
You really don't get addicted to cigarettes after smoking 2 packets or beer after a couple of nights in the pub.
I've heard people who suggested that H should be administered to people near the end of their lives.

Heavy speed use can cause all sorts of long term damage to the cardiovascular system.

MDMA effects are not fully understood. A range of physical and phycological conditions , as well as DNA damage.
MDMA was not really widely available in Australia, because its hard to make if you a stupid druggie/biker , so people in Australia asking for E , tended to get meth in their pills, which eventually lead to the Ice problem.

Not sure, as a government that decriminalizes this stuff, how you you ignore the more serious health effects?
Do you put stuff on the packets like they do with cigarettes?
Is anything but dope legal anywhere in the world?
 
Is anything but dope legal anywhere in the world?

In Columbia its legal to have Cocaine, but illegal to buy it or sell it.
So you can buy a beer for $50 and get a free Cocain hit, similar to how you get a free mint with your coffee.
 
Heroin is pretty safe if taken in pure form and the right dose. But very very addictive.
You really don't get addicted to cigarettes after smoking 2 packets or beer after a couple of nights in the pub.
I've heard people who suggested that H should be administered to people near the end of their lives.

Heavy speed use can cause all sorts of long term damage to the cardiovascular system.

MDMA effects are not fully understood. A range of physical and phycological conditions , as well as DNA damage.
MDMA was not really widely available in Australia, because its hard to make if you a stupid druggie/biker , so people in Australia asking for E , tended to get meth in their pills, which eventually lead to the Ice problem.

Not sure, as a government that decriminalizes this stuff, how you you ignore the more serious health effects?
Do you put stuff on the packets like they do with cigarettes?


I think it's Portugal that has the model other alway cite. It's got a lot of treatment stuff involved and the policing money is spent helping get people right.
 
I watched a documentary it must be 30 years ago probably more and from memory it looked old, it was British so probably bbc. Anyway it was about heroin addicts who had their needs supplied free by the nhs, they were monitored regularly by doctors etc but what struck me is that many were fully functional, some with good jobs.

I believe the nhs still provides some people with heroin. What I took away from the doco was that once you removed the uncertainty of supply in terms of quality and the need to resort to crime then addicts and society were both much better off. Obviously this was about treating addicts but in that context if you agree that addiction is an illness then it seemed more humane than saying nah screw you make bad choices and pay the price. That just seems to set up a cycle of theft, prostitution and jail etc.

This wasn’t a solution to the drug problem and only dealt with a small sample of addicts but nether the less I found it very interesting.
 
Heroin is pretty safe if taken in pure form and the right dose. But very very addictive.
You really don't get addicted to cigarettes after smoking 2 packets or beer after a couple of nights in the pub.
I've heard people who suggested that H should be administered to people near the end of their lives.
UK has used it with terminal patients in the past for pain relief. Anyone who goes into remission is not addicted.
 
No

Meth used to be legal. It was given to WW2 troops to keep them fighting. Bought over the counter. It was banned as people realised the issues it caused, but nowhere near everyone was on it.

Not saying it should be legal, but the argument that decriminalisation leads to massive increase in use is simply not true. Alcohol addiction is a serious problem in our society but not everybody is an aloholic.
My understanding is that all allied troops regularly used amphetamines, but that the Nazis and Japanese used meth as well. At Tobruk, for example, our troops would sleep during the day and get their amphetamines to fire them up for all-night fighting, but the Germans had meth and couldn't sleep at all. Gradually took its toll. Panzer battallions for the initial invasion of the Lowlands and France were given meth, along with fighter pilots. The longer the Battle of Britain raged the more German planes crashed without being in any sort of combat because the pilots brains were fried.

The Japanese gave meth to both pilots and mini-sub operators. The mini-subs were supposed to be able to stay awake and functioning for at least 3 days to complete their missions, but often were so scrambled they couldn't even remember instructions or read their instruments, and ran aground or just didn't surface. A great many kamikazi pilots couldn't hit their targets.

The strange thing is that I didn't know anything at all about any of this until a couple of years ago. I think I'm fairly switched on and have a very strong interest in history and read heaps. This use/misuse of these drugs by official government/defence policy has been wiped from public records and knowledge, despite the soldiers at the time knowing exactly what was going on. Some of them used to talk about it openly to their nurses in their later years in various Repat hospitals. And, of course, at their RSL functions.
 

If the allies could have found a way to cut off their drug supply, then provide it at ludicrous prices on the black market, they could have won the war when all the addicted Nazi's stole their military equipment to sell for the drugs.
 


In the Narrow Road to The Far North the Japanese officers are taking it too.


 
I agree legalizing recreational drugs needs to be initiated by the new govt - but as per the posts above ‘drugs’ in my opinion is not a specific enough term - so each substance should be considered on its own merits and legislated for accordingly - ie ice and mdma ( for example ) should be treated differently and have different rules because they are different substances
 

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