Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Football Thread XVI

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It's a Carlton tradition.

Zach Tuohy long kicks.
WOOF!

Ang Christou long kicks.
WOOF!

Val Perovic long kicks.
WOOF!

A 40 year thing that now has the next woofer.
Just so long as they stroke his ego into kicking bombs at every opportunity. He was a great kick at Essendon when he lowered his eyes and didn't just blaze away.
 

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Can someone tell my why there has to be a new $500 million dollar stadium for Tasmania to get a license ?
Heard some on the dribble today by Sam Edmond on SEN about it being hard to get to Blundstone arena and they need a ground in the CBD. Why ?
I went to a shield game there 15 years ago and had no real issues getting to the ground.
The Hobart people will go there. They just need some upgrades to increase the seating area. If they can fill it with 25,000 people it will be a hit.
As for the bull shit about it needing a roof . Give me a break. Yes it is cold in the depth of winter but do not play night games in that period. They can play Saturday or Sunday afternoon. We play day games at the MCG in winter.
I find the whole stadium thing rubbish and I suspect the AFL actually wants to relocate someone rather than actually setting up a new side.
 
Can someone tell my why there has to be a new $500 million dollar stadium for Tasmania to get a license ?
Heard some on the dribble today by Sam Edmond on SEN about it being hard to get to Blundstone arena and they need a ground in the CBD. Why ?
I went to a shield game there 15 years ago and had no real issues getting to the ground.
The Hobart people will go there. They just need some upgrades to increase the seating area. If they can fill it with 25,000 people it will be a hit.
As for the bull s**t about it needing a roof . Give me a break. Yes it is cold in the depth of winter but do not play night games in that period. They can play Saturday or Sunday afternoon. We play day games at the MCG in winter.
I find the whole stadium thing rubbish and I suspect the AFL actually wants to relocate someone rather than actually setting up a new side.
Geelong play games at kardinia park, I don't see why Tasmania can't have a team when they've got 2 AFL venues.
 
on this most auspicious occasion, the great Joel Selwood 350th i thought id have a quick check at his stat history for curiosity's sake, something really stood out to me

349 games, 879 free kicks. (2.52 free kicks per game)

I was thinking is that high? average?

I started trying to think of names that might beat it

Shuey 1.71

not even close

perhaps a ruckman?

Grundy 1.73
Gawn 1.58
NN 1.44
Cox 1.76

nup

ok maybe gun mids around the ball?

Neale 1.26
Cotchin 1.5
Trac 0.7
Oliver 1.22
Brayshaw 0.79
Dusty 0.87
Danger 1.70
Macrae 1.60
Fyfe 1.26
Walsh 0.76
Sloane 1.53
Laird 1.11
Zorko 1.39
Pendles 1.29
Sidey 0.66
Parish 0.56
Merrett 1.47
Shiel 0.95
Mundy 0.68
Kelly 0.81
Taranto 0.99
Miller 1.21
Mitchell 1.28
Cunnington 0.86
Boak 1.01
Wines 1.13
Steele 1.21
Crouch 1.09
Parker 1.24
Heeney 0.99
Mills 0.92
Gaff 0.69
Treloar 0.86
Hunter 1.13

the more you try find anybody close the further away you get, hes literally 2/2.5 times more likely to get a free kick than any other player in the game, dare i say, systematic?

He looks more and more like an outlier the harder you look.

I tweeted swamp to see if he could give me a list but he didn't bite, probably not wanting a 350th downer tweet...

I did however find a new challenger late, Cripps 2.12 - close but not real close.

Is this the biggest elephant in the ginnivan gate scenario?

fwiw

Ginnivan 1.57
Weigtman 1.26


Id argue they are so low because they were called out by media, but the chief culprit never has because hes seen as some kind of legendary hardman hero of the game cause he bleeds and has a straight up haircut.
 
I find it interesting that plenty of Essendon supporters get outraged by Selwood or Ginovin yet never had an issue with Walla dropping to his knees .
Umps never fell for walla though. And they started ignoring legit high tackles but we didnt hear boo from "AFL greats" re the fabric of the game being at stake when players like walla and lindsay thomas appeared to have a different set of rules applied to them 🤔
 
I find it interesting that plenty of Essendon supporters get outraged by Selwood or Ginovin yet never had an issue with Walla dropping to his knees .

I don’t think Walla ever did it with the intention of drawing high contact. He loved a slide and scoop up the footy in one motion.

And he never hooked the arm
 
Re selwood I dont think its accurate to say the media never mentioned his shoulder shrug. Dermie was always bleating about him and shuey in the early 2010s.
The key difference for me between selwood/shuey vs guys like ginivan, weightman and before them players like puopolo is intent.
The first two their intent is to win a hard ball and get a possession away, they only do the arm shrug/knee drop if a tackle is layed to either wriggle out or draw a free.

The 2nd group go looking for a free as soon as they have the ball (and sometimes even before they have the ball like the weightman/draper incident last year). They launch into players nearby with their knees already bent and head down (the action reminds me of homer headbutting the elephant sanctuary guy 😀). Its not a footy action and umps should be smarter than that.

Dont get me wrong though, i still find the shuey/selwood action frustrating (there was a really bad example by shuey during our last game against them where it felt like he spent a good min forcing the bomber arm above his shoulder) but I still respect those two players because their first intention is actually playing footy.
 

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I don’t think Walla ever did it with the intention of drawing high contact. He loved a slide and scoop up the footy in one motion.

And he never hooked the arm
He did it knowing he could draw a free kick in the same way Selwood used his lower the knee and lift the arm to drive out of a tackle but also knew he could draw high contact.
It was not always when he was picking the footy up .
 
on this most auspicious occasion, the great Joel Selwood 350th i thought id have a quick check at his stat history for curiosity's sake, something really stood out to me

349 games, 879 free kicks. (2.52 free kicks per game)

I was thinking is that high? average?

I started trying to think of names that might beat it

Shuey 1.71

not even close

perhaps a ruckman?

Grundy 1.73
Gawn 1.58
NN 1.44
Cox 1.76

nup

ok maybe gun mids around the ball?

Neale 1.26
Cotchin 1.5
Trac 0.7
Oliver 1.22
Brayshaw 0.79
Dusty 0.87
Danger 1.70
Macrae 1.60
Fyfe 1.26
Walsh 0.76
Sloane 1.53
Laird 1.11
Zorko 1.39
Pendles 1.29
Sidey 0.66
Parish 0.56
Merrett 1.47
Shiel 0.95
Mundy 0.68
Kelly 0.81
Taranto 0.99
Miller 1.21
Mitchell 1.28
Cunnington 0.86
Boak 1.01
Wines 1.13
Steele 1.21
Crouch 1.09
Parker 1.24
Heeney 0.99
Mills 0.92
Gaff 0.69
Treloar 0.86
Hunter 1.13

the more you try find anybody close the further away you get, hes literally 2/2.5 times more likely to get a free kick than any other player in the game, dare i say, systematic?

He looks more and more like an outlier the harder you look.

I tweeted swamp to see if he could give me a list but he didn't bite, probably not wanting a 350th downer tweet...

I did however find a new challenger late, Cripps 2.12 - close but not real close.

Is this the biggest elephant in the ginnivan gate scenario?

fwiw

Ginnivan 1.57
Weigtman 1.26


Id argue they are so low because they were called out by media, but the chief culprit never has because hes seen as some kind of legendary hardman hero of the game cause he bleeds and has a straight up haircut.
Ooh interesting.

I had a look and found Dylan Moore from Hawthorn has won the most frees so far this year, he’s going at 2.22 this season (his career average is lower), and Rhys Mathieson is at 3.33 this season which is the highest average frees won in the league this year (his season total is lower).

For career stats you seem to have to look at afltables but the AFL website kind of gives some clues of who to look at.

I guess if I looked at Selwood’s stats in his fourth year of footy he’d probably be similar to Moore, but after 350 games with presumably the last 10 seasons at a high standard that would drag the career average up?

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Ooh interesting.

I had a look and found Dylan Moore from Hawthorn has won the most frees so far this year, he’s going at 2.22 this season (his career average is lower), and Rhys Mathieson is at 3.33 this season which is the highest average frees won in the league this year (his season total is lower).

For career stats you seem to have to look at afltables but the AFL website kind of gives some clues of who to look at.

I guess if I looked at Selwood’s stats in his fourth year of footy he’d probably be similar to Moore, but after 350 games with presumably the last 10 seasons at a high standard that would drag the career average up?

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Yeh I guess it might be feasible to go at 2.5 over a season or a 100 games but over 350 is quite damning.

I think it's uncomfortable for the AFL cause they are happy to expose the cheeky upstarts but hesitant to down talk a meat and potatoes champion
 
I side with Whately on the head high thing.

You don't have to tackle around the shoulders, that's what players to do prevent disposal. Go hard and low.

A slight tweaking of the rule was fine but the AFL has got itself involved in a public stoush with a dumb kid who wasn't smart enough to keep his bit of gamesmanship to himself.

If there was ever time for some back channelled heavy-handedness, we know the AFL is fond of, it was this situation. Ginnivan could have made a point of walking back some comments in an interview and we could have moved on.

Now umpires have the spotlight on them again when they are trying to read players' minds which will inevitably lead to more inconsistency.
 
Yeh I guess it might be feasible to go at 2.5 over a season or a 100 games but over 350 is quite damning.

I think it's uncomfortable for the AFL cause they are happy to expose the cheeky upstarts but hesitant to down talk a meat and potatoes champion


To just look at the pure weight of numbers ignores that Selwood is a lightly built madman who goes harder at the ball, probably than anyone.

Players like Danger or Fyfe go hard but they're so big and powerful they end up being the wrecking ball and damaging their opponents.

What's the number of frees he gets that we're unhappy about?
 
Plus Selwood's thing is a genuine evasive manouvre. When he doesn't get the free he usually gets the handball into the clear to a Duncan or Parfitt.
 
Hird was 1.6 frees a game.

He had Selwoods attack on the ball probably without the aggression, and while a bigger man he wasn't the sort of physically punishing player Ricciuto or Voss was.

Voss averaged 0.6. Ricciuto, 1. Jason Johnson 1.2.
 
To just look at the pure weight of numbers ignores that Selwood is a lightly built madman who goes harder at the ball, probably than anyone.

Players like Danger or Fyfe go hard but they're so big and powerful they end up being the wrecking ball and damaging their opponents.

What's the number of frees he gets that we're unhappy about?
I cant believe how durable he has been considering how he has played the game, he continuously puts his body where most players fear to go.
Reminds me of the former All Blacks Captain Richie McCaw.
 
Can someone tell my why there has to be a new $500 million dollar stadium for Tasmania to get a license ?
Heard some on the dribble today by Sam Edmond on SEN about it being hard to get to Blundstone arena and they need a ground in the CBD. Why ?
I went to a shield game there 15 years ago and had no real issues getting to the ground.
The Hobart people will go there. They just need some upgrades to increase the seating area. If they can fill it with 25,000 people it will be a hit.
As for the bull s**t about it needing a roof . Give me a break. Yes it is cold in the depth of winter but do not play night games in that period. They can play Saturday or Sunday afternoon. We play day games at the MCG in winter.
I find the whole stadium thing rubbish and I suspect the AFL actually wants to relocate someone rather than actually setting up a new side.
Heard a little bit of Colin Carter interviewing 3AW last night and he said same thing…that it could be better to fill current stadium. He was quietly confident it would get approved but did say if it didn’t would be a big blow for possibly decades. It would be nuts if it wasn’t approved. Big stadiums can come after but like you say just expand what’s there
 
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